Recently, a nameless commenter here asked “What exactly is “rapey” about Pick Up Artistry?” The post below should help to answer that question.
Hey, fellas! Say you’ve applied some state of the art Pickup Artistry on some HB 10 (“hot babe 10”) and you’re about to add another notch to your “girls I’ve totally had sex with” belt – and she has the gall to tell you “no.” Should you be worried?
Pickup artist Roosh Valizedah (whom we were talking about just yesterday) says, er, no. Apparently “no” (when the word is uttered by a girl you are groping) is actually a variant of “yes.” Who knew?
While every feminist likes to repeat the phrase “No means no,” it depends on context. Here’s a guide:
“No” when you try to take off her jeans or shirt means… “You need to turn me on a lot more.”
“No” when you try to take off her bra means… “Try again in five minutes.”
“No” when you try to take off her panties means… “Don’t give up now!”
I find the only word that means no is “stop.” If you hear that word then she’ll be asking you to leave soon after.
So just filter out everything she says other than the word “stop” and you’ll be fine. Oh, and if she actually starts punching you, that’s also a clue that she doesn’t want to have sex with you.
For every rape accusation I’d want to know at what stage of undress the girl was at before the supposed rape happened. If she was completely naked until saying no, and got there voluntarily, then I’d be reluctant to charge the man with rape unless there were signs of violence.
Gals need to remember, Roosh explains, that once a man gets a boner he’s pretty much helpless. His innate biological drives require that he either have sex with you (if you’re willing) or rape you (if you are unwilling and remember to say “stop” as well as “no”).
Women need to understand that men aren’t robots who can suddenly stop at the drop of a dime with all that testosterone pumping through their system. Therefore it would be prudent for them not to enter situations where the average man can’t stop due to his innate weaknesses as an animal whose entire existence depends on him successfully mating.
If it gets to that point, Roosh advises the ladies, you should just try to enjoy the rape as best you can – like it’s some sort of carnival ride.
Every roller coaster has a point while chugging up that first hill where’s there’s no turning back and you just need to hang on for the ride. In other words, don’t let a man on your bed unless you’re trying to get it.
So, In Roosh’s world, woman who merely say “no” shouldn’t complain about being raped, and men are basically slavering beasts controlled by their penises. What a lovely view of the world!
smajilliion – A small but still huge number.
i have the feeling that if it started being “stop stop STOP” he would come up with some other reasoning to make it “stop means go on.”
Why Someone Might Say Stop, And Why Even A Douchebag Should Listen:
STOP! (I need to take out my vagina dentate first!)
STOP! (I’m actually an alien, and that’s not my vagina you’re penetrating, it’s my hornet collection. Is a jar of hornets not part of standard human anatomy?)
STOP! (My last partner gave me AIDs! Get a condom!)
STOP! (OMG, is that Diane Keaton, Goldie Hawn, and Bette Midler right outside our window?)
STOP! (My parents are coming! Get in the closet now!)
STOP! (I’m gonna hurl!)
Ideally, if you care about someone enough to have sex with them, you should care enough to make sure said sex is consensual, but hey, we’re talking about ridiculously selfish people, so they have to have reasons ‘they’ should stop.
There is so much wrong with this that I am fixating on one of the LEAST wrong things that Roosh says:
So if he isn’t continuously mating, he’ll just cease to exist? It’s like the movie Speed, but with sex. “If I stop mating, this bus will explode!”
Okay, perhaps he mean existence in the sense of way of living but (a) he’s not that nuanced a writer, (b) even if so, that would be really pathetic, and (3) I prefer coming up with weird movie ideas rather than thinking about what this creepy, rapey dude is writing.
dentata, not dentate. Thought I corrected that one once already. 🙁
http://manboobz.com/2012/08/01/roosh-who-needs-orgasms-anyway/
So yeah, like hell Roosh is gonna listen to “stop”.
@Cliff-what Pecunium said.
So guys like this say men are uncontrollable animals, and MRAs say we’re the ones with all the misandry?
Yeah..
Getting a boner isn’t a point of no return. All the guy has to do is think of his mother.
The guy could also make the conscious choice to not rape someone, even if he has a boner that won’t go away. It’s surprisingly easy. I’ve had a lot of boners in my life, sometimes even unexpected ones, and none of them caused me to enter a fugue state.
Or, y’know, back up. The boner won’t jump off his body and attack. A guy can still have a boner as he puts his underpants back on and asks if you’re okay. The boner just isn’t that goddamn powerful.
[ALL the trigger warnings]
My rapist, who was my partner at the time, had a thing about consent and boundaries where his only goal in life was basically to violate mine. Eventually it got to the point that I started making shit up to get him to stop, because “no” and “stop” were never enough. Eventually (by which I mean in the middle of a sexual assault) I talked him into using “safe words”, thinking if I turned his consistent ignoring of non-consent into a game then safe words would meta-non-consent the situation. It worked the first time, but after that he escalated physical violence, thinking he had permission to do whatever he wanted, at all, ever, because it was “kinky sex”.
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what if the woman is evil, tho?
Sharculese: … Not sure what you’re aiming for with that one…
Jesus Christ, whataboutthemoonz, that’s horrible.
Hugs for you, too, if you want ’em.
@Morka: read it back to back with Ruby’s post and it makes perfect sense.
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Well, those who are stupid enough to actually take his advice and put into practice IRL will hopefully end up like the antagonist in song “Date Rape” by Sublime. Ditto for Roosh if he does the same. I’m surprised someone hasn’t actually reported this guys blog or at least attempted to bring some kind of legal action against him. However, there is the likely possibility that this blog was deliberately set up to provoke outrage and stir up controversy and the person behind it is not who he says he is nor truly believes a single word of it.
You and Ruby should be friends!
His words are still his words. At least some of his readers take him deadly serious. I don’t give a rip what he believes; what he does encourages rape.
Nommie says: no way people this bad exist in the real world and aren’t condemned by an indifferent society!! I know I said I’m a misanthrope who thinks humanity beyond saving, but even I don’t believe things are that bad!!
So MSN is all for prison rape now?
Seriously: the self-proclaimed misanthrope now plays the wide-eyed ingenue. FOR REALZ?
Dude. Decide which way you’re trolling and stick with it, maybe?
Sorry, didn’t you say you’re a cynical misanthrope? So what’s motivating you to put a positive (to a certain value of “positive”) spin on this?
@Amnesia
High 5 for the Snow Crash reference.
The MRA’s keep complaining that Roosh was singled out by the SPLC, saying that all he does is encourage men to not call women back after one night stands, but that’s not what it’s about. It’s stuff like this that made the SPLC say Roosh promotes misogyny.
@whataboutthemoonz Holy shit, that’s an awful situation. No one should have to go through that.
How do people like this end up with so little empathy or regard for other people? It’s a level of selfishness that I just can’t relate to no matter how hard I try.