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Norwegian Men’s Rights blogger Eivind Berge released from jail. Court rules that threats on the internet do not count as incitement

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Eivind Berge, the Norwegian Men’s Rights blogger who was arrested after making repeated death threats against police on his blog, has been released from jail. The country’s Supreme Court has ruled that his comments – in which, among other things, he talked about how killing police was on his “bucket list” – are not illegal. His property will be returned to him and he is evidently entitled to compensation for his time in jail.

As far as I can figure it from the Google-translated articles I’ve read, the Supreme Court has ruled that statements on the internet are not “public” and therefore his threats don’t count as “incitement” under the law. Here’s what one article says:

Supreme Court’s Appeals Committee believes statements Berge has made ​​on his blog are not covered by the Freedom of the definition in the Penal Code. incitement to violence and murder of police officers are therefore not presented publicly in the legal sense and therefore is not criminal, says the Supreme Court.

Apparently the issue was a fairly narrow legal one. According to the same article, the law under which he was prosecuted (written long before the birth of the Internet) “operates with a public safety and publishing concept that … do not take account of electronic publishing on the Internet.” The majority on the Supreme Court, the article goes on to say, felt that “the indictment includes actions that are clearly worthy of punishment,” but that existing law does not allow punishment for statements made on the Internet.

If anyone here knows Norwegian, let me know if this is correct. Here and here are several more articles in Norwegian, translated by Google. Here’s an article in English, written before the Supreme Court rendered its judgment, that spells out the issues a little more clearly.

On his blog, Berge celebrates his victory in the courts:

My blog is legal after all. The police had no lawful basis for pursuing criminal charges against me. This means the case has collapsed for the prosecution and I will be entitled to compensation for the three weeks I spent in prison. I was arrested and jailed for speech which the Supreme Court has ruled is legal, so obviously the entire prosecution was utterly baseless.

He considers his release a giant victory for Men’s Rights:

Being a political prisoner provided a welcome boost to my activism. … The entire process has been tremendously empowering for the Men’s Rights Movement. This spectacular prosecution of an MRA sparked debate and demonstrated to the horror of the feminist establishment that there are more antifeminists out there than they knew. I am not some kind of extremist easily dismissed, even though some of my writings may appear somewhat ungenteel. While my kind of violent rhetoric is legal, it is no longer needed. We are strong enough to fight feminism in more elegant and subtle ways now.

I will highlight some of Berge’s “ungenteel” opinions in future posts.

See here and here for previous posts of mine on Berge, which include many examples of his “violent rhetoric.”

 

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Myoo
Myoo
12 years ago

@avictimofmurderers
Oh, boo-fucking-hoo, not a 50-year-old virgin, that’s the worst thing that can happen to anybody ever!!!!!!!!!!

MollyRen (@MollyRen)
12 years ago

Their attempts to find them on their own usually end in failure- even if they find one they will not likely to keep her because of neediness and inexperience- don’ forget most of them try a few times a year or even less !

BECAUSE THE ANSWER COULDN’T POSSIBLY BE “TRY MORE OFTEN THAN TWICE A YEAR”, NOW COULD IT???

Cliff Pervocracy
12 years ago

If a woman takes a position as a professional dater, but then falls in love and devotes herself only to you, she just lost her job.

Seems like kind of a conflict of interest. I guess you think you’re just that charming.

…In which case, why the hell do you need paid dates again?

avictimofmurderers
12 years ago

“So fucking stupid.

If they don’t want to go out with you but are only doing it for the money, how will this help you achieve a relationship, sex, and children? Any woman who doesn’t decide to continue dating someone like you after going out on thirty different dates isn’t a scammer – she’s an employee. I’m not scamming my clients after I complete the job outlined in our contract because I won’t continue to work for them for free.

I’ve been paid and unless they want to continue paying me for my services our relationship is over.

Women don’t want to date you. You want the government to offer women money to date you one time. They still don’t want to date you but now they’re being paid to spend a designated amount of time with you. Just once. How will this solve your problem with loneliness and companionship?”

She is an employee but she not for a very big fee. She might like me during the date and decide to see me after the initial date. Of course, she might have a boyfriend (that would not be recommendable but hard to check) but if she just uses those dates just to to get money she will be out after date 30. If she has a boyfriend and falls in love with the guy she had a date with that’s his loss.

In any case, it’s a good solution for men who never get dates and such men do existl

When it comes to extremely shy men who never even held hands their theapy would be different- gruadual introduction to women, sex surrogates and the wingmen.

Cliff Pervocracy
12 years ago

Seriously, I don’t understand the mindset where you can’t talk to women at all right now, but if you got to talk to women on a date, that would change everything and you’d have a life partner right away. The construct of a “date” is just not that magical. You’re still going to have to figure out how to talk to a woman.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
12 years ago

Wait a minute, wait a minute…

If a woman doesn’t fall for you on the job then she was obviously a wrong person and the government should provide you with a different woman.

Despite all the flaws in logic and the complete lack of thought that you’ve put into this stupid, stupid idea let’s just suppose for a moment that this was put into practice.

I know, I know. Stay with me though.

The government starts its state-sancitioned dating agency. Men who can’t get dates sign up and there are somehow enough paid-daters to keep the whole thing running. After time, people pair off because naturally women are going to be very attracted to men they’ve been paid by the government to date.

But you, the cheese, are still standing alone. None of the women who were paid to date you are interested in being in a relationship with you. By your own -and I hesitate to even use this word- “logic” aren’t you, therefore, an obviously wrong person. If the government sets you up on 30 dates and no woman wants to see you again isn’t it clear that you are the problem?

Should the government continue wasting its money on paying women to date you once its clear that you suck?

Ugh
Ugh
12 years ago

There is already a system where women are piad to be available for creepy dudes to talk to. It’s called “Ladies Night.”

Cliff Pervocracy
12 years ago

She is an employee but she not for a very big fee. She might like me during the date and decide to see me after the initial date. Of course, she might have a boyfriend (that would not be recommendable but hard to check) but if she just uses those dates just to to get money she will be out after date 30. If she has a boyfriend and falls in love with the guy she had a date with that’s his loss.

You don’t seem to understand how like and love work at all.

It’s not a dice roll. It’s not a thing where two people go on a date, and there’s a 1 in 2d20 chance that Love Will Happen. You actually have to, like, interact.

Just shoving your face at woman after woman does not mean you’re going to eventually hit the Love Woman if you keep at it long enough.

Cliff Pervocracy
12 years ago

So now we have one troll complaining that women go on dates for money, and one troll complaining that women don’t go on dates for money.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
12 years ago

She is an employee but she not for a very big fee.

If she’s in constant rotation, being paid to date men like you, then whether or not she’s being paid very much to date you specifically is irrelevant. If she gets paid a fee to go out every night of the week with a different guy then she’s an employee and will, in all likelihood, earn a significant wage. I’m sorry, how much are these women supposed to be paid to date you? I mean, you say it won’t be forced because the women would be paid so you’re thinking of a reasonable amount, correct? I mean, if women are going to do this -and not be forced- they’re going to have to be paid fairly well. And will the government be subsidizing their makeup, wardrobe, and hair styling? Will there be an actual stipend or will they just be able to write it off on their taxes?

She might like me during the date and decide to see me after the initial date.</blockquote?

No. Not going to happen. You're both incredibly stupid and fairly horrible.

In any case, it’s a good solution for men who never get dates and such men do existl

I really don’t see how. I really don’t see how sitting across from a bored bureaucrat will help these men more than developing and fostering family relationships, friendships, and enough self awareness to keep from being as painfully stupid as you.

When it comes to extremely shy men who never even held hands their theapy would be different- gruadual introduction to women, sex surrogates and the wingmen.

Men who want the services of sexual surrogates should pay for them themselves. Otherwise what you have is state mandated prostitution. And I believe that sex workers should be allowed to choose their clients themselves. And I’ve winged for a lot of my guy friends. I’m not sure you understand how being a wingman works.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
12 years ago

See? The stupid is rubbing off on me and now I can’t even do blockquotes right!

scrapemind
12 years ago

You can’t roll a 1 on 2d20. You’ve just rigged the game so that he’s permanently incel!

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
12 years ago

@ Ugh: “There is already a system where women are piad to be available for creepy dudes to talk to. It’s called “Ladies Night.””

+1 Internet to you!

Cliff Pervocracy
12 years ago

You can’t have a 1 in 1 chance of date success unless you have the Mind Control perk. :p

I shouldn’t have made a probability a dice roll, though, because now they have to roll for love after they do the probability roll and that’s just needlessly complicated.

Let’s say 2d20 and love requires a roll of 30 or above.

sheesh.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
12 years ago

@ Cliff “So now we have one troll complaining that women go on dates for money, and one troll complaining that women don’t go on dates for money.”

Yup! And this troll calling for additional government programs, while other trolls bitterly denounce Big Daddy Government. This is why I keep wishing they’d actually interact more; it seems to me that they have more to dispute with each other than anyone else.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
12 years ago

And of course a date can only go two ways – acceptance and rejection. It can’t lead to platonic friendship, a one night stand, a short affair that peters out after a while, a long affair that doesn’t lead to cohabitation, an on-again-off again relationship, a marriage that ends in divorce, or a second date, but this time I promise not to spill marinara sauce on your dress. It’s all or nothing.

Dracula
Dracula
12 years ago

That is a breattakingly stupid comaprison. You could always find other place to play tennis and and your inability to play it now won’t have devastating effects on your sexual and emotional needsl Incel don’t have that other tennis court to play and their lack of tennis is devastating. What if tennis is one the primary human needs, something that’s starts families, and you can’t play it? I’d rather be beaten with a raquet once and fulfill my human needs later.

Okay, to start with, I could just as easily say you could always find other places to meet women. Second, I never said the inability to play tennis would effect your sexual needs because that’s not how comparisons work you fucking twit. It effects your tennis need, which are acting as stand-in for sexual needs because this is an analogy.

And yeah, if tennis was vital to my happiness (Which does actually happen, by the way. See: aspiring tennis pros.), then fucking obviously I’d be depressed if I couldn’t play. But you know what would still be pretty traumatic? Being assaulted with a fucking tennis racquet by someone I’d chosen not to play with.

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

You know, there is something you can do. You can hire sex workers to go on dates with you. Maybe one of them will eventually want more than one. You say you would be willing to pay a fee to the government, why do you want to do that when you can just pay the fee to the individual providing the service? I think the chance of someone actually wanting to continue dating you is the same with a freelance person as it is with someone who is a government employee. Or are you just really cheap and in your mind this imaginary government program would cost less?

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

THIS IS INCREDIBLY FUCKING STUPID WHAT IS THIS?

Dude, are you seriously blaming mommy and daddy for your inability to get laid? How old are you, 16?

I am shocked, shocked I tell you, that you haven’t thought this bullshit through.

OK, where’s Steele? His would explode at this asshole actually wanting women’s livelihood’s supported by going dates with complete fucking losers.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Oh, Robert, you spectacular jag? Sex isn’t even in the top three in the hierarchy of needs.

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
12 years ago

Government-subsidized PUA is an appealing idea, though. From each according to his sex appeal, to each…bottle service.

red_locker
red_locker
12 years ago

Of course the Hannah Arendt hater supports Robert’s stupid idea.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Thanks, Eurosabra. This thread wasn’t quite creepy enough. Fuck off.

jumbofisch
jumbofisch
12 years ago

This thread reeks of entitlement, yuck.

cloudiah
12 years ago

Government-issued wingmen. WTF.

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