Eivind Berge, the Norwegian Men’s Rights blogger who was arrested after making repeated death threats against police on his blog, has been released from jail. The country’s Supreme Court has ruled that his comments – in which, among other things, he talked about how killing police was on his “bucket list” – are not illegal. His property will be returned to him and he is evidently entitled to compensation for his time in jail.
As far as I can figure it from the Google-translated articles I’ve read, the Supreme Court has ruled that statements on the internet are not “public” and therefore his threats don’t count as “incitement” under the law. Here’s what one article says:
Supreme Court’s Appeals Committee believes statements Berge has made on his blog are not covered by the Freedom of the definition in the Penal Code. incitement to violence and murder of police officers are therefore not presented publicly in the legal sense and therefore is not criminal, says the Supreme Court.
Apparently the issue was a fairly narrow legal one. According to the same article, the law under which he was prosecuted (written long before the birth of the Internet) “operates with a public safety and publishing concept that … do not take account of electronic publishing on the Internet.” The majority on the Supreme Court, the article goes on to say, felt that “the indictment includes actions that are clearly worthy of punishment,” but that existing law does not allow punishment for statements made on the Internet.
If anyone here knows Norwegian, let me know if this is correct. Here and here are several more articles in Norwegian, translated by Google. Here’s an article in English, written before the Supreme Court rendered its judgment, that spells out the issues a little more clearly.
On his blog, Berge celebrates his victory in the courts:
My blog is legal after all. The police had no lawful basis for pursuing criminal charges against me. This means the case has collapsed for the prosecution and I will be entitled to compensation for the three weeks I spent in prison. I was arrested and jailed for speech which the Supreme Court has ruled is legal, so obviously the entire prosecution was utterly baseless.
He considers his release a giant victory for Men’s Rights:
Being a political prisoner provided a welcome boost to my activism. … The entire process has been tremendously empowering for the Men’s Rights Movement. This spectacular prosecution of an MRA sparked debate and demonstrated to the horror of the feminist establishment that there are more antifeminists out there than they knew. I am not some kind of extremist easily dismissed, even though some of my writings may appear somewhat ungenteel. While my kind of violent rhetoric is legal, it is no longer needed. We are strong enough to fight feminism in more elegant and subtle ways now.
I will highlight some of Berge’s “ungenteel” opinions in future posts.
See here and here for previous posts of mine on Berge, which include many examples of his “violent rhetoric.”
Wikipedia’s declaration of Human Rights
i had a quick peek at this and i don’t see the right to a government sponsored sex slavery agency for women to help out guys who are unable to see what is wrong with rape.
srsly, dude. you are a major creep, to say the least.(oh noes, the shaming language, CODE VERMILLION)
whilst the declaration enshrines the right to a family, this right does not mean what you want it to mean, nor is it enshrined because of whiny jerks like you.
Sentences not likely to follow that:
“No problem, I respectfully accept your decision and will not become insulting, threatening, or physically aggressive.”
This is too stupid. I can’t even…
No.
Spend your free time writing a blog about this if you want. Whatever keeps your dumbass away from people is good.
But just – no.
“You are a disgusting human being, and any woman around you is probably terrified if she’s picking up on any of your beliefs about sex. I’m not surprised that nobody will sleep with you. Why would they? You’ve just declared that you’ve decided that raping them is OK if you don’t approve of their dating choices.”
L-O-L
I never talk about this with any women and they don’t have supernatural powers to know what I’m thinking, you know. I said I’m not sure if Eivind’s affrimative action-rape analogy is right, Women didn’t want to sleep with me ever since I was 15, during a time Eivind never even appreared on the internet and I had no idea about this stuff. Your rage is asmusing,
I am afraid I haven’ explained that well. There are various types of incel men. I am talking about two types but there are more
1.Those completely inexpeirienced, who have never even touched a girl’s hand, Some of them are well into their 30s. For them sexual surrogates could be useful, after initiation of things like holding hands, kissing etc
2. Second group would be guys with some expeirence, but usually very limited. They could benefit from arranged DATES with willling women, not sex or marriage, ffs and being under a government issues wingmen.
All these women would be paid but also specially trained in dealing with such shy men.
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Dating sites are a hellhole for men, wiith male-female ratios being hilarious. And, yes, long term incel is as bad as rape. Incel is a same problem every day, with nobody to help you,
Kerrimonster
You misunderstood what I said, I said that the government sponosred sex surrogate still might not help some men, despite being trained to be gentle to virgins. Government arranhed dates just might end up without chemistry.
As for dating services, the female response rates are often wery low and are a source of frustration for most men-
Molly Ren, length of the incel should be six months. Coupled with your dissastifcation with it.
Rutee Katreya, currently there is no cure. Medications are not the cure nor is therapy, Which cure do you propose?
This would be the funniest thing I read all day if it wasn’t so fucking creepy. “Sure, that guy did literally kill some people, but consider that his parents and government NEVER ONCE got him laid! Who are the REAL murderers, hmm?”
Whenever I hear sex slavey or such terms I can only giggle. My ideas have nothing to do with that.
Dude, no sex for six months is *normal* for both men AND women. Not a reason to kill yourself!
The entire made up condition is caused by not having sex. Hire a sex worker, you lazy piece of shit. Hell, technically, the ability to hire a sex worker changes it from ‘involuntary’ to ‘voluntary’, which apparently causes no problems.
Fucking piece of shit.
I love how all these guys think they’re just being so fucking sneaky.
Real talk guys: if you hate somebody, they will notice it after spending several hours with you. Same as if you took a Klansman to spoken word, it’d be pretty obvious that something was amiss.
women can pick up on nonverbal cues you know. and it’s not like you try particularly hard to hide your rage and resentment.
no kiddo, you just dont want to see the link between the repulsive shit you support and sex slavery. because you’re trying to make shit all about you that clearly isnt.
Of course not! This is date slavery! Totally different kind of slavery!
I’m sure you can only giggle at grownup terms.
Your ideas are crap, and you aren’t much better as a human.
Your ideas are stupid. Blisteringly stupid.
How on earth can lonely people gain meaningful companionship from a government sponsored program that would literally force unwilling participants to have dinner with them? As for sexual surrogates: pay for them yourself. You don’t need the government for that. And if you want friends and family members to fix you up, just ask them to.
That about covers all of your points. All of your stupid, stupid points.
To believe that prostitutes are a solution for anybody who has a need for companionship, love or children is moronic. Oh, yeah, I forgot, those who aren’t feminist fanatics don’t deserve better.
Basically, if some people commit suicide due to incel which cannot be stopped without the help of government or parents that makes these people (parents and governments) murderers. Thereby anybody is morally entitled to kill them. These incels didn’t want to be incels and yet they were driven to death as they simply weren’t able to helpthemselves. You don’t think murder should be punishable by jail? I do. And yet it hasn’t been so in these cases. Nobody was ever charhed for these murders.
Now, THAT IS CREEPY. Saying to people in wheelchairs to skateboard is disgusting.
If people (or I should say heterosexual people, since I doubt I’ll get an answer on the role of gays, lesbians, bisexuals, asexuals, et al in your system) voluntarily choosing to go to dating agencies results in a gender split, how exactly will the government agencies address and correct this discrepancy? Please be as precise as possible; I’m interested in mechanics, not rhetoric.
“Dude, no sex for six months is *normal* for both men AND women. Not a reason to kill yourself!”
Strawman. I said that I consider that as a period after you become incel. Incels usually kill themselves long after, years and years after they started being incel….
get over yourself, you self-righteous baby. your boner isn’t anyone else’s responsibility, no matter how much you wanna try to blame other people for it.
take this manipulative nonsense somewhere else. you’re not going to make anyone feel guilty about the fact that a nasty, mean-spirited asshole isn’t getting laid.
You can get the first two without dating anyone. Dude, do you have any FRIENDS? You might want to start with those before dating.
Also, like, you can’t *need* children. You can want them desperately, but you can’t force someone to give them to you!
but of course, it’s all about being adored isn’t it? it goes back to that other discussion about men feeling aggrieved by no longer basking in the love conferred upon them as children. I mean, why should that unconditional love not be provided on tap, rather than love being an intricate process of compromise and trust that you have to negotiate and work at?
all i hear is I DESERVE TO BE ADORED BECAUSE I AM.
and the reason the adoration is lacking? is it because i am a shithead who blames everyone else for my shitty expectation and entitlements? No, it’s because my parents failed me and women are hypergamous bitches.
shorter robby purvis: the greatest threat facing the world today is that i’m completely insufferable.
But believing that government-mandated playdates is the solution IS THE MOST RATIONAL THING EVER.
You know, I heard about this guy named the Dalai Lama, he NEVER got laid and yet also didn’t kill himself.
It’s like magic!
And, again, I ask: How on earth can lonely people gain meaningful companionship from a government sponsored program that would literally force unwilling participants to have dinner with them?
How?
You claim that you don’t want women to be forced to fuck you. If no woman wants to continue seeing you after a single date then how will government intervention fix this? Will your issues with loneliness, celibacy, and childlessness be cured by going out once a week with a government worker?
I actually think there are a lot of cheaper, more legal solutions than “prostitutes”. Like “get a hobby like basketball that involves you meeting people” or “join toastmasters” or “speed dating”.