Eivind Berge, the Norwegian Men’s Rights blogger who was arrested after making repeated death threats against police on his blog, has been released from jail. The country’s Supreme Court has ruled that his comments – in which, among other things, he talked about how killing police was on his “bucket list” – are not illegal. His property will be returned to him and he is evidently entitled to compensation for his time in jail.
As far as I can figure it from the Google-translated articles I’ve read, the Supreme Court has ruled that statements on the internet are not “public” and therefore his threats don’t count as “incitement” under the law. Here’s what one article says:
Supreme Court’s Appeals Committee believes statements Berge has made on his blog are not covered by the Freedom of the definition in the Penal Code. incitement to violence and murder of police officers are therefore not presented publicly in the legal sense and therefore is not criminal, says the Supreme Court.
Apparently the issue was a fairly narrow legal one. According to the same article, the law under which he was prosecuted (written long before the birth of the Internet) “operates with a public safety and publishing concept that … do not take account of electronic publishing on the Internet.” The majority on the Supreme Court, the article goes on to say, felt that “the indictment includes actions that are clearly worthy of punishment,” but that existing law does not allow punishment for statements made on the Internet.
If anyone here knows Norwegian, let me know if this is correct. Here and here are several more articles in Norwegian, translated by Google. Here’s an article in English, written before the Supreme Court rendered its judgment, that spells out the issues a little more clearly.
On his blog, Berge celebrates his victory in the courts:
My blog is legal after all. The police had no lawful basis for pursuing criminal charges against me. This means the case has collapsed for the prosecution and I will be entitled to compensation for the three weeks I spent in prison. I was arrested and jailed for speech which the Supreme Court has ruled is legal, so obviously the entire prosecution was utterly baseless.
He considers his release a giant victory for Men’s Rights:
Being a political prisoner provided a welcome boost to my activism. … The entire process has been tremendously empowering for the Men’s Rights Movement. This spectacular prosecution of an MRA sparked debate and demonstrated to the horror of the feminist establishment that there are more antifeminists out there than they knew. I am not some kind of extremist easily dismissed, even though some of my writings may appear somewhat ungenteel. While my kind of violent rhetoric is legal, it is no longer needed. We are strong enough to fight feminism in more elegant and subtle ways now.
I will highlight some of Berge’s “ungenteel” opinions in future posts.
See here and here for previous posts of mine on Berge, which include many examples of his “violent rhetoric.”
@ Magpie Hah! Yes, Smith was excellent. I also loved his Patsy Biscoe parody.
This is the most amazing thread!
I don’t know why this is the one kernel of corn I’ve chosen to pluck from Turd Mountain, but therapists aren’t supposed to physically touch their clients at all. Even a hug could potentially lose a therapist his or her license. Of course this poor woman wasn’t going to bang you, dude.
And you’re mad that your therapist wouldn’t help you cheat on your girlfriend? I…I have no words.
You know that stuff where being single for six months convinces you that you have a permanent no-vagina-having medical condition and you WILL NEVER KNOW LOVE IN YOUR LIFE EVER? That’s depression. That’s what a therapist can help you with. Also, hopefully, the stuff where you want to murder everyone you meet because they won’t provide you with some kind of magical prostitute who isn’t really a prostitute because she will also instantly fall in love with you.
ADVANCED PROTIP: In addition to not using the word “incel,” avoid the word “feminazi.” Neither of these are things.
@Robert Pervis
When you go to the Love-shy forums, make sure you mention how your parents deserve to die because they won’t arrange dates for you. I’m sure it will go over great.
Eivind is not celibate.
He has a girlfriend.
He is not mentally ill.
He’s just an asshole.
This is a terrible analogy, but very telling as to your attitudes towards women. You parents/the government/whoever do not “have” women who they are “refusing” to give to you. Nor do they “have” relationships that they’re refusing to give to you. It’s not that they’re maliciously withholding these things, it’s that they don’t have it in their power to “give” you a woman or a relationship even if they wanted to.
Sure, because only happy content dudes want their therapist’s help on cheating on their partners.
Nope, that’s what the Norwegian police are trying to do. You’re trying to appropriate taxpayer funds to pay women to go on dates with people like Sodini. That is the opposite of “preventing risk.”
You’re not trying to save us from Sodini, kiddo, you’re trying to use economic coercion to force us to date men like him.
Because of course Sodini would have definitely made an excellent and non-abusive boyfriend. That definitely sounds true.
You keep saying that incel is a permanent condition that means loneliness for life, right? So if someone was single for a year or two between girlfriends, and took that as an excuse to writing about killing cops, that’d actually just make them huge assholes who use “incel” as a cover for their assholery, right?
Alright, but you know how you were unable to express your sexual needs to your girlfriend or have a discussion about sex like adults? That shit isn’t exactly the sign of a happy, confident, contented person.
Also, did you read my comment on the difference between the imprisoned, tortured and celibate Toer, and people who whine about women all the time and later kill them? And how the difference wasn’t lady companionship because neither had any, but misogyny?
This whole thing about saving women from Sodini is such utter crap. You’re not trying to save women from men like Sodini, you’re suggesting that we throw women at men like him in an attempt to appease them. It’s like the idea of throwing human sacrifices into a volcano in an attempt to appease it, except instead of lava the volcano has violent misogyny and guns.
Could fail. You think so? You think that using taxpayer money to pay homeless or refugee women to see a movie with you, and have sex with you or someone else 1 out of every 30 times, might fail to net you a life of love and companionship? Could be a possibility?
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One day with a serial killer misogynist who hates women IS exposing women to danger. This is really not challenging to grasp.
HE KILLED SIX WOMEN. PEOPLE WHO KILL PEOPLE ARE ALSO MORE LIKELY TO HURT PEOPLE. WTF
Eivind Berge whined about being incel, and he still got a girlfriend. His bitterness didn’t set off red flags and send out creepy vibes that made him forever alone, as everyone predicted. Maybe people are different.
Is your definition of incel for real “being between girlfriends?” Because no other definition fits Berge.
You people HATE women and seek only to control them to your will. The only thing that would be different if Sodini had had a wife would have been that he’d have killed her and his children once they got fed up with his abusive ways, instead of 6 random women.
I’m a man, I’ve been single for a period longer than 6 months, and I cared a lot about myself. So, by all your definitions, I gave quite a big damn.
Yeah, I’m sure normal guys have all sorts of urges to murder and bomb when they haven’t been laid for a while.
No. To get over it by dealing with the real issues, rather than blaming everyone else by calling themselves “involuntarily” celibate.
Sodini apparently got plenty of help. It says on his the shooting’s wiki page that he was taking classes on how to date women. HE GOT HELP. HE BLAMED WOMEN FOR REJECTING HIM. You’re literally calling the women who didn’t feel like fucking him monsters.
Dude, I have not said word one about taking pills. If taking pills is what you need, then maybe that will work, but “deal with the underlying issues” is not necessarily the same thing as taking pills. “Constant pain” is not normal.
LOL no.
Again, constant pain is not normal. Deal with the real issues. This is not done by getting laid.
“We are all designed to look for a partner and procreate. It’s how we were created. Take that way, for whatever reason, and you will in most cases get an angry human being.”
Do you even read what you write?
Lordy. This chump is not worth it. No one’s going to fund your governmental girlfriend program, and likely the only women who would take it in lieu of all the other completely free options already available are poor and desperate, which is why the idea has been called economic coercion.
Get over yourself, Robert. Not being in a relationship is not “constantly being unable to get a relationship”: you have had several. “Incel” is not forever. If you feel constant pain just because you’re not in a relationship, then you would be completely wrecked by the way relationships normally go these days. This is why I say you need to deal with the underlying issues: if you can’t handle being decently happy between relationships, then any relationship you do get into is going to be a product of desperation, and a relationship like that is almost certain to have severe issues and fail. If you want to avoid situations where you’re called needy and the woman decides she has to threaten you to keep you away, try getting over this massive entitlement complex that casts everyone not facilitating you getting laid as a murderer. It’s not sexy, to say the very very least.
From what I’ve read when she came around here to troll, Eivind Berge’s girlfriend is still living the whole “I’m so special, the guy who hates women actually likes me” honeymoon. I hope she wises up before a tragedy befalls her.
That does seem to be the definition. Robert is “constantly unable” to get relationships but has had more than one.
@Tulgey
I love how he keeps going for the ol’ bait and switch. “Berge was incel because he spent several months without a girlfriend. Incel simultaneously means you are lonely for life. Therefore Berge was lonely for life and was in so much pain that he just HAD to talk about murder.”
If I had a kid like Robert, I would definitely feel like I had failed as a parent. Robert, get over it. Not getting laid will not kill you, and at 24, blaming mommy and daddy for this is more than a bit unseemly.
@hellkell
No kidding. If I had a kid older than 8 who asked me to find him a date, I would feel pretty shitty about my parenting skills.