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Norwegian Men’s Rights blogger Eivind Berge released from jail. Court rules that threats on the internet do not count as incitement

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Eivind Berge, the Norwegian Men’s Rights blogger who was arrested after making repeated death threats against police on his blog, has been released from jail. The country’s Supreme Court has ruled that his comments – in which, among other things, he talked about how killing police was on his “bucket list” – are not illegal. His property will be returned to him and he is evidently entitled to compensation for his time in jail.

As far as I can figure it from the Google-translated articles I’ve read, the Supreme Court has ruled that statements on the internet are not “public” and therefore his threats don’t count as “incitement” under the law. Here’s what one article says:

Supreme Court’s Appeals Committee believes statements Berge has made ​​on his blog are not covered by the Freedom of the definition in the Penal Code. incitement to violence and murder of police officers are therefore not presented publicly in the legal sense and therefore is not criminal, says the Supreme Court.

Apparently the issue was a fairly narrow legal one. According to the same article, the law under which he was prosecuted (written long before the birth of the Internet) “operates with a public safety and publishing concept that … do not take account of electronic publishing on the Internet.” The majority on the Supreme Court, the article goes on to say, felt that “the indictment includes actions that are clearly worthy of punishment,” but that existing law does not allow punishment for statements made on the Internet.

If anyone here knows Norwegian, let me know if this is correct. Here and here are several more articles in Norwegian, translated by Google. Here’s an article in English, written before the Supreme Court rendered its judgment, that spells out the issues a little more clearly.

On his blog, Berge celebrates his victory in the courts:

My blog is legal after all. The police had no lawful basis for pursuing criminal charges against me. This means the case has collapsed for the prosecution and I will be entitled to compensation for the three weeks I spent in prison. I was arrested and jailed for speech which the Supreme Court has ruled is legal, so obviously the entire prosecution was utterly baseless.

He considers his release a giant victory for Men’s Rights:

Being a political prisoner provided a welcome boost to my activism. … The entire process has been tremendously empowering for the Men’s Rights Movement. This spectacular prosecution of an MRA sparked debate and demonstrated to the horror of the feminist establishment that there are more antifeminists out there than they knew. I am not some kind of extremist easily dismissed, even though some of my writings may appear somewhat ungenteel. While my kind of violent rhetoric is legal, it is no longer needed. We are strong enough to fight feminism in more elegant and subtle ways now.

I will highlight some of Berge’s “ungenteel” opinions in future posts.

See here and here for previous posts of mine on Berge, which include many examples of his “violent rhetoric.”

 

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cloudiah
12 years ago

This guy scares me. Unless he’s a Poe, in which case he exhausts me.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
12 years ago

Me too!

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
12 years ago

(That me too was for Pam)

ozymandias42
12 years ago

Dude, I *have* called women creepily sexually entitled before. Like, this week even.

…You’re WAY more creepily sexually entitled than that lady was though.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

It doesn’t eliminate the root cause, unless you think it is normal for people to never have relationships or sex for decades.

lol, not having sex for a whole two and just-less-than-a-half decades? Yeah, it’s pretty normal. Have you not been reading what people have been telling you about themselves?

DUDE. HAVE YOU NOT BEEN READING WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TELLING US?

Pam
Pam
12 years ago

This guy scares me.

Me too! And I’m willing to bet that he scares all the girls he wants to or has dated, too.

avictimofmurderers
12 years ago

” you said yourself you had plenty of dates so why do you keep asking the government and your parents (which is not only stupid but also ineffective) for dates since your problem is obvioulsy not “getting dates”?”

This is the most important thing. A great question. The problems are as it follows….
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While I do get dates I don’t get dates often. I am quite moody, a loner by nature, my hobbies don’t include many women, most of my friends are also incel or have problems with women.

That leaves dating sites. But response rates on dating sites are horrible for most, if not all men. Also, many women who do contact you are of low quality and I don’t mean as in “fuck and chuck” low quality ( I know this might make some people here angry but whatever) but in “I don’t actually want to meet you, I just want to boost my ego and kill some time”.

That means that actually getting to a date is quite a rare occasion, I did have plenty of dates as in maybe 20 but that’s in a span of 6 years ! Is that even a lot? Not so sure anymore….

And then you have to have chemistry. I was ready to meet girls I felt no chemistry with first time again if I thought they were good people and in only a few cases was I glad that the date was over, never wishing to see her again.
However, no girl who I felt no chemistry with first time ever wanted to see me again. And chemistry is so hard to find !!

All that means that there were 3 girls I’ve felt chemistry with in 6 years I’ve been trying- that girl I was with for 2 weeks, that girl I was with for 8 months and the girl I slept with who later turned out to be very malicious.

That’s one interested girl in 2 years…. or 3, if you don’t count that girl who only had sex with me twice and had a boyfriend. And if you fuck up or she leaves you know you will probably wait for years…. If another chance even comes.

Simply put, more dates means more chances of finding the right girl, of finding chemistry.

Also, government sponsored wingmen could help me do something outside. Sure, wingmen already exist but only in certain areas and they tend to have conflicting schools and views, with a lot of unnecessary theories and language.

Sure, you could now say that I should change my friends or hobbies but is it that easy? I doubt it would change anything. The lack of initiative and fear of both failure and success are too strong.
And they will NOT be solved by sitting on some shrink’s couch. It never did anything for any incel person I know.

Pam
Pam
12 years ago

You showed vulnerability and sensitivity and they hate you for it.

Wow, you sure sussed us out, owly. *eyeroll*
Now instead of regaling us with your screeds, why don’t you get on the horn to your Congressman and demand that he have the Government provide for him that woman that poor ole “vic” soooooooo desperately needs.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

“Simply put, more dates means more chances of finding the right girl, of finding chemistry.”

Not unless you change significantly, it doesn’t. Right now you may as well have a dating specific form of Ebola, your attitude is so offputting.

Cliff Pervocracy
12 years ago

It’s actually kind of amazing you’ve managed a more or less average dating record with this attitude.

Unfortunately, until you ditch the scary violent entitled thoughts and the “NOTHING BUT A PERFECT WOMAN CAN FIX ME” resistance to help, that dating record’s not going to do you any good at all.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

hellkell, it is true I am not incel by my own definition right now as I last had sex in May but November will come soon enough and I know that my chances of getting a gf or getting laid are zero.

At least you admit to be a giant liar in addition to being a tantrum having brat.

Cliff Pervocracy
12 years ago

…Are you under the impression that “incel” is a magical curse? You talk about “stopping being incel” like that’s a thing.

At least say “I know getting married would be on my list of priorities if I were in a relationship.” That’s a little closer to Earth orbit.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
12 years ago

Nice of Owly to come here and tell us men what our sex drive is supposed to be like.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

That means that actually getting to a date is quite a rare occasion, I did have plenty of dates as in maybe 20 but that’s in a span of 6 years ! Is that even a lot? Not so sure anymore….

20 more than me! And yet, it does not hurt to breathe. What am I doing wrong?!?!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

I hope that’s not his real name, because can you imagine how his parents would feel if they found him spouting this crap?

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Funny how NWO glossed over the “government should get me dates” thing, since he loves the government so much. If one of us said that, we’d never hear the end of it.

BlackBloc (@XBlackBlocX)

BTW, seeing Steele and NWOslave trying to help out our ‘incel’ friend over here is sort of like seeing a bunch of Scientologist auditors salivating as they approach a despondent, aimless teenager.

BlackBloc (@XBlackBlocX)

Erm, David, if you want to delete my inappropriate message I’d totally understand. That attitude is extremely triggering to me but I believe my reaction might still have been excessive.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
12 years ago

Yeah. Steele sort of makes sense, with his whole “will YOU be my friend” schtick, but NWO?

Dude, he’s pleading to Big Daddy Government* to solve his problems for him. Aren’t you supposed to be against that?

* And his actual daddy, who may or may not be big.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

So why should I feel better if some of you have never had sex or relationships? It doesn’t work that way.

WE’RE NOT SAYING YOU DON’T FEEL BAD WE’RE SAYING IT’S NOT BECAUSE OF “INVOLUNTARY CELIBACY”. BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE DO IT, TOO.

I said incel makes you unable to find a wife or a family, yes.

You do realize that there are plenty of people who wait until they’re married before they have sex, right? This “incel” bullshit and your complaints about it are absolutely meaningless.

Magpie
12 years ago

What meds are you on, Robert? Some of the ones my psych put me on would be helpful for the 30 seconds thing.

Do you live with your parents?

[redacted –DF]

Myoo
Myoo
12 years ago

This guy is a doll collection away from becoming Meller.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

You still haven’t explained how the women in your hypothetical program (stop calling them girls unless you want people to think you’re a pedophile in addition to your many other unpleasant qualities) would be recruited. You’re deliberately not offering them much of a financial incentive, and as you yourself have observed the current dating site model works OK for women and provides them with lots of men to choose from, so why would any woman sign up for your program?

“Hey ladies, want to go on dates with guys who can’t get women to date them and who think it’s the government’s job to fix this? PS – if you don’t agree to date one of these guys after 30 tries, you’re fired.”

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
12 years ago

“Different people react to different things in different ways.”

THIS IS WHY WE DON’T NEED A GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT TO DEAL SPECIFICALLY WITH YOUR PERSONAL ISSUES!

Ugh
Ugh
12 years ago

@Robert

Nelson Mandela also went without sex for twenty years. The Dalai Lama’s going on 80. Neither of them killed anyone. Has it occurred to you that violent people are actually responsible for the violence they do?

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