Eivind Berge, the Norwegian Men’s Rights blogger who was arrested after making repeated death threats against police on his blog, has been released from jail. The country’s Supreme Court has ruled that his comments – in which, among other things, he talked about how killing police was on his “bucket list” – are not illegal. His property will be returned to him and he is evidently entitled to compensation for his time in jail.
As far as I can figure it from the Google-translated articles I’ve read, the Supreme Court has ruled that statements on the internet are not “public” and therefore his threats don’t count as “incitement” under the law. Here’s what one article says:
Supreme Court’s Appeals Committee believes statements Berge has made on his blog are not covered by the Freedom of the definition in the Penal Code. incitement to violence and murder of police officers are therefore not presented publicly in the legal sense and therefore is not criminal, says the Supreme Court.
Apparently the issue was a fairly narrow legal one. According to the same article, the law under which he was prosecuted (written long before the birth of the Internet) “operates with a public safety and publishing concept that … do not take account of electronic publishing on the Internet.” The majority on the Supreme Court, the article goes on to say, felt that “the indictment includes actions that are clearly worthy of punishment,” but that existing law does not allow punishment for statements made on the Internet.
If anyone here knows Norwegian, let me know if this is correct. Here and here are several more articles in Norwegian, translated by Google. Here’s an article in English, written before the Supreme Court rendered its judgment, that spells out the issues a little more clearly.
On his blog, Berge celebrates his victory in the courts:
My blog is legal after all. The police had no lawful basis for pursuing criminal charges against me. This means the case has collapsed for the prosecution and I will be entitled to compensation for the three weeks I spent in prison. I was arrested and jailed for speech which the Supreme Court has ruled is legal, so obviously the entire prosecution was utterly baseless.
He considers his release a giant victory for Men’s Rights:
Being a political prisoner provided a welcome boost to my activism. … The entire process has been tremendously empowering for the Men’s Rights Movement. This spectacular prosecution of an MRA sparked debate and demonstrated to the horror of the feminist establishment that there are more antifeminists out there than they knew. I am not some kind of extremist easily dismissed, even though some of my writings may appear somewhat ungenteel. While my kind of violent rhetoric is legal, it is no longer needed. We are strong enough to fight feminism in more elegant and subtle ways now.
I will highlight some of Berge’s “ungenteel” opinions in future posts.
See here and here for previous posts of mine on Berge, which include many examples of his “violent rhetoric.”
Oh, god a’mighty…..
And you had sex this spring?
So…. less than six months ago?
Good news! You’re not currently incel! And now that you’ve had sex once, you have the experience to have sex with your next girlfriend!!!
….
“government issued date”
Ugh, you sad little shit. People are not things that are there to be issued to you to fuck. Think about how you sound. Sex surrogates. Being issued dates. Fucking your therapist. Taking (ahem) ‘death’ over paying someone directly for sex and whining about it to strangers on the internet. You’ve gone all wrong. This shit right here is why nobody wants you.
This guy is like what would happen if all of America’s pop culture rom-com fears met up with their serial shooter fears and had a baby. “IF I DON’T MARRY MR. BIG MY LIFE WILL HAVE NO MEANING! PLUS I WILL SHOOT UP A MOVIE THEATER!”
Silly us, we neglected to free up a bingo square for “the government needs to institute dating welfare and I’m on the verge of murder because by age 24 I’ve only dated two people and lost my virginity.”
You’d think he’d understand the principle of “horrible, miserable person + woman = horrible, miserable person with girlfriend” by now, but apparently he’s just revised it to “clearly I need a better woman.”
You still don’t get it, do you?
In her office or out of her office, doesn’t matter. She doesn’t owe you her body as therapy, and it wouldn’t be about anybody catching you guys in flagrante.
And thanks for laying the blame for not being bold with your 8-months gf at the feet of your therapist who wouldn’t sex you even after you threw a fit at her.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that whatever she told you about why she left you is probably the real reason she left you. Beating yourself up about being too shy to take her clothes off is all you, buddy. And sex is not the sovereign glue of relationships. Plenty of people have all kinds of sexy tiems and then break up.
There you go again, blaming people for not agreeing to casual sex with you for your inability to initiate sex with your girlfriend.
It does not work that way.
I am usually averse to telling people what they can and can’t call themselves, but by your own definition you are not incel. You had sex with a woman (twice! even) less than six months ago.
And then she turned out to be kind of a jerk. That’s on her.
But you know what? You’ve taken all this rage at your parents for not getting you laid, and you’ve filled yourself up with it, it’s probably coming out in all kinds of unconscious ways. She probably picked up on it. I’m not telling you it’s your fault she called you names and said you were needy. But for god’s sake you’re ready to execute your parents because you’re horny and there isn’t anyone around to suck you off right now. You might be a little bit needy.
What time? You’re a fuckin’ lamb! 24? You got more decades left than you’ve lived, dude. Slow down. Chill out. Maybe you’re trying too hard, coming on too strong when you’re out looking for a date.
I don’t know what kind of therapists you’ve been talking to, but all of the ones I’ve talked to emphasize that these things you are feeling, they are not your fault, and don’t talk about blame at all.
I’ll say something about it: IT’S BULLSHIT. IT IS A PATHETIC LIE.
Because shooting up a room full of women is just such completely normal and rational behaviour, you mean?
i didnt say what you said was a death threat. i said you were a threat to people around you. because you apparently think those close to you deserve to die for not basing their lives around pleasing you. which is fucking serial killer shit.
BTW, I’m 30. I wouldn’t call it incel, because for at least the last four years, it’s been a pretty deliberate choice on my part. I have trouble explaining to family and friends that part of the reason I had relationship troubles when I was younger was that I was just getting into those relationships because I felt mightily pressured to conform thei the ‘ideal,’ to the ‘right way.’ Once I discovered the right way didn’t have to be my way…
Well. Now I’m much happier than I’ve ever been, in fact, now that my prospects are so much lower. And a lot of my friendships have been much deeper and richer because I’m allowed to write my own script for how they should be.
But I’m 30, and I’ve had way less actual sexual experience than you. You just go ahead and keep pretending it’ll kill you eventually…
But it’s a lie, and you probably know it.
20 something, thats what I thought. Mouwahahahahahhahaha!!!!!!!! You’re completely overreaction, dude. I never kissed a person or held hand or anything before I was 21. I kissed 3 people in my life and had one relationship. I’m more an incel than you!
Adding to my previous questions, if you were too shy my your GF what would be different with a government-assigned date? And why not a prostitute if loosing your virginity is what stopped you?
“My time is running out fast”? Does he think he’ll die if he doesn’t mate and make a baby by age 30?
like you dont have to tell your parents ahead of time before you take it on yourself to be the fucking angel of death because they didnt spend enough time worrying about your boner. that shit does not require formal notification.
“Funny how you say nothing about people who are actively committing manslaughter by refusing to save me from an almost certain death.”
Actively, it does not mean what you think.
RobertZombie: I see incel as a death sentence.
Get over yourself.
1: You can never be un-raped.
2: You can get laid.
3: Life is a fucking death sentence; almost no one gets all they think they want. Cope.
Bullshit. “Ultra PC is just a whiny phrase used by assholes to justify disregarding other people’s feelings.
Now that we have that out of the way… I’m not all that PC (in either the real meaning of the words, or the stupid tripe you are serving up here). When I say someone is creepy, it’s because the make m skin crawl.
The ratio is, IME, about 60/40 female to male. That’s probably because I’m male.
You, are creepy. That whole, “They deserve to die because they wouldn’t arrange dates for me,” is creepy as all fuck.
I can totally believe you were called needy and a loosy lay. The needy part is obvious, and you’re so self centered that I would never accuse you of being a good sex partner.
RobertZobmie:
No, they aren’t. Because you aren’t dead. Even if you off yourself, they aren’t to blame. You will have chosen to do it. In exactly the same way you have chosen to not go to a sex worker, or take the initiative (though which is it… you’ve never had a relationship, or you’ve had some, and right now you aren’t?).
You sound depressed to me. I think you need to deal with that, and this mania about, “incel” is a large part of your expression of depression.
But if you really think your parents, and the Gov’t, refusing to play yenta is something to kill them over… you need help. You aren’t in any shape to be in a relationship.
Seriously. That’s some fucked up shit.
As a side note… my mother tried to set me up. She was sutble about it. I didn’t find out for decades afterwards. The woman she asked to, “break me in” (so to speak) had the good sense to say no.
Why? Because she liked me, and respected me, and figured I ought to be able to make that sort of decision for myself.
You, however, are either emotionally incapable (which is not their fault; and not something them setting up dates will fix), or to fucking lazy, to to make any effort on your own.
They are doing you a favor.
WHAT’S WRONG WITH SPEED DATING AND OKCUPID???????
You are currently not saving plenty of people dying in fire. You’re actively killing them! Murderer.
I think I said something about death threats.
And yeah, I meant it. I don’t care if they don’t meet a legal definition of “death threat,” you’re saying you can’t get your dick wet, and thus your parents and the government have killed you, and they deserve to die. Did you mean that? Cause you keep doubling down on it.
Well, what do people do when they think someone is trying to kill them? They get violent.
Hey, I didn’t have sex from age 0 to 21. 21whole years! I’m really really incel. Even though I had sex last time I saw my BF. Because apparently it doesn’t matter.
Just kidding, I’m a girl, which is a specy that never feel lonely and probably doesn’t even have actual emotions.
I don’t know what to say to this guy. Normally “go see a therapist” makes sense, but.. yeah..
We are routinely informed that men love, and women feel greedy.
Ain’t right, but plenty of people tell us so.
What sort of expectations do I have? To be able to get into relationships like most guys my age do, maybe?
I suffered for two years because of my relationship that lasted for a couple of weeks, mostly because it was actually a missed chance more than a relationship. I made a huge mistake and by the time I realised what a lottery winning ticket she was it was too late. All my begging for her to forgive me was in vain and just made me look disgusting in her eyes. In the end I tried to kill myself because of her. I already mentioned I tried looking for another girlfriend after I realized she will not forgive me but couldn’t find one and the obsession grew and grew.
My relationship of 8 months was very stressful to me as I kept wanting to have sex with her but couldn’t despite being alone in bed with couple of nights a week. In the end it ended up in the worst possible imaginable way. Also, she was my soulmate who dumped be like I am a piece of trash.
Girl I’ve lost my virginity with insulted me, laughed at me, told me she’d kill herself if she were me and threatened that her boyfriend will beat me up if I ever contact her again.
Like I said before, some people take it more lightly. Why should I feel bad, because I’m not as “tough” as your friend? Maybe he just has a lower testosterone level?
I know that angry men and incel are still a taboo but I can not and will not be a loveless, sexless worker bee who doesn’t give a damn if he is not able to get a girlfriend. Berge was right when he said that being indifferent to incel is exactly the kind of reaction that is unnatural and sick, however beneficial it might be to the rest of the society.
All of my attempts to solve to problem on my own ended up in disasters I discribed and countless other rejections. The problem is as it follows
1. You are needy and clumsy if you rarely have chances
2. Dating sites are full of men and women rarely reply which makes getting a date very difficult
3. Even if you get a date it is still not a chance (chance is when a woman likes you)
4. Government arranged dates will make you go on dates much more often
5. That will make you have a chance with a woman a lot more often- will you take that chance or screw it up is up to you but you will have a lot more chances and be less needy and clumsy in the future
If things remain as they are and I don’t get help from government or parents I will continue having chances every few years and probably screw them up. Unless I meet my ultimate soulmate or something, which is unlikely. Eventually I will snap and there is no way to prevent it unless I get real help, by which I don’t mean therapy.