Eivind Berge, the Norwegian Men’s Rights blogger who was arrested after making repeated death threats against police on his blog, has been released from jail. The country’s Supreme Court has ruled that his comments – in which, among other things, he talked about how killing police was on his “bucket list” – are not illegal. His property will be returned to him and he is evidently entitled to compensation for his time in jail.
As far as I can figure it from the Google-translated articles I’ve read, the Supreme Court has ruled that statements on the internet are not “public” and therefore his threats don’t count as “incitement” under the law. Here’s what one article says:
Supreme Court’s Appeals Committee believes statements Berge has made on his blog are not covered by the Freedom of the definition in the Penal Code. incitement to violence and murder of police officers are therefore not presented publicly in the legal sense and therefore is not criminal, says the Supreme Court.
Apparently the issue was a fairly narrow legal one. According to the same article, the law under which he was prosecuted (written long before the birth of the Internet) “operates with a public safety and publishing concept that … do not take account of electronic publishing on the Internet.” The majority on the Supreme Court, the article goes on to say, felt that “the indictment includes actions that are clearly worthy of punishment,” but that existing law does not allow punishment for statements made on the Internet.
If anyone here knows Norwegian, let me know if this is correct. Here and here are several more articles in Norwegian, translated by Google. Here’s an article in English, written before the Supreme Court rendered its judgment, that spells out the issues a little more clearly.
On his blog, Berge celebrates his victory in the courts:
My blog is legal after all. The police had no lawful basis for pursuing criminal charges against me. This means the case has collapsed for the prosecution and I will be entitled to compensation for the three weeks I spent in prison. I was arrested and jailed for speech which the Supreme Court has ruled is legal, so obviously the entire prosecution was utterly baseless.
He considers his release a giant victory for Men’s Rights:
Being a political prisoner provided a welcome boost to my activism. … The entire process has been tremendously empowering for the Men’s Rights Movement. This spectacular prosecution of an MRA sparked debate and demonstrated to the horror of the feminist establishment that there are more antifeminists out there than they knew. I am not some kind of extremist easily dismissed, even though some of my writings may appear somewhat ungenteel. While my kind of violent rhetoric is legal, it is no longer needed. We are strong enough to fight feminism in more elegant and subtle ways now.
I will highlight some of Berge’s “ungenteel” opinions in future posts.
See here and here for previous posts of mine on Berge, which include many examples of his “violent rhetoric.”
ooo lets play incel bingo
http://imgur.com/nNX1d
No one cares about my dick-Free Space!!
I think we’ve already had like 90% of those squares, what do we win?
Jumbo – I’m pretty sure he’s got the coverall.
Well we’re missing one important one: A3. Why can’t he use speed dating and OkCupid and Match and whatever without getting the governement involved?
I think we also miss t A4, B1, B3, C5, D2, D3 and E2.
WHY WON4T THE GOVERNMENT PAY ME FRIENDS I AM LONELY AND MIGHT KILL MYSELF!!!!§§!!!!!!§§§
And now we need a new case: why won’t my psychiatrist have sex with me?
WTF. If you’re gonna pay professionals to fuck you, why not sex workers rather than your therapist?
E2
I am always friendzoned because I make no inititative.
Wait, which ways is letters and which is numbers? o.o
I realize the limitations of the Bingo format, but other spaces it could have:
-“Change anything about my behavior? HOW DARE YOU”
-Unsettling anecdote about harassing/stalking/raging out at a woman
-“I asked a woman out once and I’m still not married. I told you it was hopeless!”
-Hours into diatriabe on the totality of his loneliness, reveals he’s been in multiple relationships
-Women not wanting to sleep with nice guys is SCIENCE
Motherfucker! It just dawned on me exactly how absolutely inappropriate it was for Robert to proposition his therapists like that. And all I can think of for why it took so long is all my cis white male privilege providing a cushion.
So now I feel bad for not getting it right away (which I probably shouldn’t, and is no one’s problem).
Cliff, if there is initial attraction nobody is stopping you from going on more dates.
Nobinayamu, all that matters is that she will be paid enough to be interested but she will not get an extremely high fee that would make a 30 date scam with no real desire to try being with anybody very profitable.
The word “creepy” is one of those feminist buzzwords usually used by ultra-PC people against anybody they dislike.
And of course a date can only go two ways – acceptance and rejection. Acceptance leads to a second date. Platonic relationship is not a goal here, one night stand is not a goal here even if both of these things could happen if both parties agree. A short affair that peters out after a while, a long affair that doesn’t lead to cohabitation, an on-again-off again relationship, a marriage that ends in divorce or similar stuff can only happen after the initial acceptance.
Dracula, I never said that being assaulted isn’t traumatic but it is less likely to kill you once you survive it than a lifetime of incel. A rape victim might gain trust again and have a partner, normal sexual life, get married etc while incels never will.
Snowy, a sex worker will never want to eventually date me (I don’t see “Pretty Woman” scenario to be very realistic), while the girls paid by the governments for dates might unless they’re scammers, but in that case they will be laid off after 30 unsuccessful dates.
hellkell, sex is a very important need, as is romantic love. Why don’t you try being without it for a lifetime?
Shaenon, you really believe I will have more success with women if I stopped refering myself as incel, which I never do on dates anyway?
Also, just because I believe incel should be a medical condition and isn’t doesn’t mean that incel doesn’t exist. Not being able to have sex without paying and not being able to find a partner is incel. Whether or not is it in medical books or whether or not you call it “inability to have sex without paying and not being able to find a partner” or “fucklessisia” is irrelevant.
Point is that it is a problem which exists, recognized as a disease or not,
Rape is a traumatic event but a one time thing. Incel is with you every day. You feel pain every second of your life and, unlike a rape victim, you will never find a partner, have sex or have your own family. Some people can take it but many have killed themselves or others because of it. I don’t buy the idea that they were actually depressed or anything, maybe they were but the root cause was incel.
Therapists are charlatans simply for diagnoses they make, if not anything else. I know a guy who was diagnosed with three different personality disorders in one month. What kind of a oncologist would diagnose three different cancers? Their “science”is mumbo-jumbo and I asked one to fuck me after I saw she can’t do shit about my incel. Also, they don’t have to teach me how to talk to people.
Let me be clear- TREATING DEPRESSION OF AN INCEL PERSON IS LIKE TREATING FEVER IN A LEUKEMIA PATIENT. As long as it treats symptoms and not a root cause therapy will never succeed in case of incels.
weatherby, if affirmative action causes men to be incel due to hypergamy, and I think it’s obvious how I see incel by now, I don’t see why rape should be worse. But I said that I’m not quite sure it does cause them to be incel like Eivind does.
I see incel as a death sentence.
My parents deserve to be killed because they never set me up with anybody despite my pleadings. They failed to set me up with somebody even after I tried to kill myself and explicitly told them that the reason was my incel. Same with government employees, to who I sent numerous letters. They are murderers.
It’s not their initial fault I can’t get a woman. It’s their fault that they don’t want to help me get a woman- thereby they are sentencing me to incel, which is death.
If Mr. Boddy here said that, it must have been in one of his miles-long screeds a couple pages back that, yeah, I admit I kind of skimmed.
holy shit, if this is the way you talk about your parents then nobody on the fucking planet should enter into a relationship with you, because you are a fucking threat waiting to happen
WOAH.
…um, okay.
Yeah.
Let’s just put this out there; you sentenced your parents to death for… NOT INTERFERING IN YOUR ROMANTIC LIFE.
Yep.
What is this I don’t even..
This is like some sort of competition to go from :/ to D: in the fewest posts possible.
Yeah, I don’t think it’s your parents that make you repulsive dude.
Also, ignoring all that, you have yet to explain to us why any woman would WANT to be part of this system if it’s not an employment opportunity.
OK, backing away slooooowly now.
Dude, what you wrote up there, what i quoted? That may be your problem right there. If you’re serious, you don’t deserve to be with anyone, ever.
You don’t need a government date, you need a blog, you don’t need to be here. YOU NEED HELP.
Your root problem is NOT being single. If you were dating someone wonderful you still would be miserable because they wouldn’t be perfect, and if nothing changed about you, you’d just be throwing yourself on the floor and screaming “when she told me she wanted to go out with her friends instead of see me SHE MURDERED ME!!!”
Jesus fucking Christ, maybe people aren’t dating you because you’re threatening death to everyone who hasn’t delivered you a vagina on a silver platter.
That doesn’t turn chicks on, FYI.
That is steaming pile of whiny bullshit.
Robert is sounding more and more like a whiny albeit disturbed teenager.
Why is it any likelier that a low-paid sex worker in imaginaryland would ever want to eventually date you? Oh nevermind asked and answered, it’s because they’re imaginary. Although after that little thing about wanting your parents and government employees killed, I take it all back about recommending you hire someone. You’re a scary and violent person and I would be afraid for their safety so I’m glad you’re too cheap and lazy to see that as an option. Better you just fantasize about a government agency that will set you up on dates rather than inflict yourself on real human beings.
Honest question, Richard, what do you think is going to happen in a relationship that will be so magical?
Why on Earth do you think you won’t just be a bitter, angry, unreasonable person in a relationship?
Please let this person be a Poe. o.O;
Shade, I missed that.
Victim:
– what’s wrong with speed dating and matchmaking? Not that I want you to date anybody, and certainly not in private, because you’re obviously unstable and dangerous to women.
– IF there was government dating, they would have to check if the men who enter the program are not people likely to kill and/or rape their date. You would never get in.
-My mother had plenty different diagnosis and nothing worked. After a while, and to prevent her death, doctors decided to remove completely her pituitary gland because they couldn’t find what was wrong with it. Now she’s ok… As long as she never ever forget her meds, even for a day. (fun fact: the new version has to be kept fresh at all time, so she can’t get away from a fridge for 24h!)
– the dalai lama is not the only man who chose not to get laid. All catholic priests make that choice (and I even believe most actually do it)