Eivind Berge, the Norwegian Men’s Rights blogger who was arrested after making repeated death threats against police on his blog, has been released from jail. The country’s Supreme Court has ruled that his comments – in which, among other things, he talked about how killing police was on his “bucket list” – are not illegal. His property will be returned to him and he is evidently entitled to compensation for his time in jail.
As far as I can figure it from the Google-translated articles I’ve read, the Supreme Court has ruled that statements on the internet are not “public” and therefore his threats don’t count as “incitement” under the law. Here’s what one article says:
Supreme Court’s Appeals Committee believes statements Berge has made on his blog are not covered by the Freedom of the definition in the Penal Code. incitement to violence and murder of police officers are therefore not presented publicly in the legal sense and therefore is not criminal, says the Supreme Court.
Apparently the issue was a fairly narrow legal one. According to the same article, the law under which he was prosecuted (written long before the birth of the Internet) “operates with a public safety and publishing concept that … do not take account of electronic publishing on the Internet.” The majority on the Supreme Court, the article goes on to say, felt that “the indictment includes actions that are clearly worthy of punishment,” but that existing law does not allow punishment for statements made on the Internet.
If anyone here knows Norwegian, let me know if this is correct. Here and here are several more articles in Norwegian, translated by Google. Here’s an article in English, written before the Supreme Court rendered its judgment, that spells out the issues a little more clearly.
On his blog, Berge celebrates his victory in the courts:
My blog is legal after all. The police had no lawful basis for pursuing criminal charges against me. This means the case has collapsed for the prosecution and I will be entitled to compensation for the three weeks I spent in prison. I was arrested and jailed for speech which the Supreme Court has ruled is legal, so obviously the entire prosecution was utterly baseless.
He considers his release a giant victory for Men’s Rights:
Being a political prisoner provided a welcome boost to my activism. … The entire process has been tremendously empowering for the Men’s Rights Movement. This spectacular prosecution of an MRA sparked debate and demonstrated to the horror of the feminist establishment that there are more antifeminists out there than they knew. I am not some kind of extremist easily dismissed, even though some of my writings may appear somewhat ungenteel. While my kind of violent rhetoric is legal, it is no longer needed. We are strong enough to fight feminism in more elegant and subtle ways now.
I will highlight some of Berge’s “ungenteel” opinions in future posts.
See here and here for previous posts of mine on Berge, which include many examples of his “violent rhetoric.”
>>>Incel, in my view, is a health problem
Incel is fucking bullshit. Worse than the majority of Internet Diagnosis Syndrome because unlike the vast number of people who self-diagnose ADHD, Asperger’s and so forth, you’re not even self-diagnosing a real problem recognized by mental health specialists. You’re basically being a fucking adolescent arguing seriously that blue balls is a fucking medical problem.
Your health problem is severe delusion, and perhaps depression. Get those treated.
Dude! o.o THERAPISTS ARE NOT THERE TO FUCK YOU! They’re supposed to help you with problems that are keeping you from talking to people, not prostitutes!
Talk about looking for love in all the wrong places…
AVictim: PLEASE I”M BEGGING YOU FUCK ME!!!!
Psychiatrist: No.
AVictim: YOU CHARLATAN!
nope it isnt. it’s just you trying to blame other people for shit that’s not their fault. not a health problem. not even a real thing.
So… you want a system where men can pay to be matched with hopefully compatible, volunteering women.
Why does the government have to get involved with Match.com?
As for real life, I can’t arrange dates there due to the fact I just don’t meet enough women and never really developed sexual confidence. I am always friendzoned because I make no inititative.
So, tell us again how none of this is your fault?
I’d still like for somebody to tell me how to quote before I move on.
Also, lol total lack of perspective. People who’ve been murdered are DEAD. Like literally not-breathing dead. “Alive but not dating” is… somewhat less severe.
Only take the spaces out of the code when you use it.
Oh, crap. Apparently it still works even with spaces. XD
Well, I’d like for you to fuck off, you fucking whiny asshole. Go back to your fucking hole for losers who think the WORST THING EVAR is not getting laid sometimes.
And learning to take an initiative is not an option because…. ?
MollyRen: These blockquotes are getting clever. Now rather than just not working when you want them to, they’re working when you don’t want them too. 😛
[blockquote] What you want to say [/blockquote]
Only replace [ ] with
*with <
AAAAAAGHHHHHHHH WORDPRESS! *shakes fist*
It was a hard fought battle, but, though not unscathed, our baby hippo has finally emerged victorious!
How to blockquote: See the period and comma keys? I’m assuming you have a QWERTY keyboard. Anyway, we’re not after the period and the comma, we’re after the angle brackets that you get when you hold SHIFT and press period and comma. The HTML is “blockquote” and “/blockquote”.
E.G., [blockquote]Paste the really troublesome comment you want to argue about here[/blockquote]
only use the greater-than and less-than signs instead of square brackets.
Dude, don’t do that. Just don’t. Not only are they never going to fuck you, it’s creepy as hell, and pushy.
One: Dude, no one is going to take you seriously as long as you persist in this hyper-emo, passive-aggressive “Mom, you won’t set me up with a date, you’re LITERALLY KILLING ME” schtick, especially if you turn around and make it a call to kill your parents and/or the government. Which you did. Cut it out.
Two: What you’re doing here is basically holding yourself hostage (as someone upthread said). You say you don’t get laid, and that it’s going to cause you to kill yourself, and the people responsible are your parents and/or the gummint and/or EVERY WOMAN EVER. This is a threat. You’re not threatening to hurt other people, you’re threatening to hurt yourself if other people don’t give you what you want, but it’s still a threat.
Three: Sex and love are not absolutely vital to survival. Maslow’s hierarchy of needs is not prescriptive; it’s an attempt to organize stimuli. Sure, he’s got “sex” on the lowest rung, and you’ll die if you don’t get other things on the lowest rung, but they aren’t on the hierarchy because you’ll die if you don’t get them, they’re on the hierarchy because they motivate human behavior and actions. People get hungry, they go looking for food. People fall in water, they start struggling to breathe. People get horny, they go out looking for dates. And anyway, the whole basis of your argument here, is a 70-year-old paper? Don’t you have anything more recent, or have you not had anything past Psych 101?
Four: You’ve identified your problems:
Okay, now, it might seem pretty facile to say, work on solving these problems, but I gotta start with some really basic fundamentals. You can’t make women sleep with you. I’d say you’d get this, but the solution you’ve come up with is to demand that other people make women spend time with you. So, before you go try to get a date, please try to make this an ingrained behavior, taken to heart: If a woman turns you down, you do not get to be angry at her. Because the upper-level advice I’m going to give you is, take the initiative. You’ve already acknowledged that you don’t, or haven’t (right before you blamed women for not being mind readers). Let women know that you’re attracted to them, but you also gotta let them turn you down if they wanna. You do not get to go all “you’re a cheap wh*re, b***h!” What you are allowed to do, is let her be and go try someone else.
And you don’t even have to go to bars. Bars may not be the best place to meet women who share interests with you. What do you like to do? Try to hang out with people who like to do the same things. I swear, some of them are going to be women, despite our cultural narrative that says the only people who read comic books are Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons.
Okay. I’ve tried engaging you in good faith. PLEASE try to consider what I’ve said.
“As for sexual surrogates that will be needed for those extremely shy ones, not all of them are patient enough with extremely shy men or know about their plight.”
You go on about these ‘sexual surrogates’ *barf*. You want the government sponsored prostitution. That is what it is dude. Why the hell would they need special governement training and why the hell do these guys deserve special kidglove treatment? If they can’t handle holding hands or kissing someone then they need some freaking counselling, not someone paid to go on a date with them.
Also, you know sex workers are people, right? And you can communicate with them yes? Why on earth could these ‘shy ones’ not just mention that they are shy, virgins, whatever? FFS.
Apparently he hopes that the monopoly of force can be used in his favor?
Either that or he thinks that feminism has got the gummint to do things for it (like Title IX) and by god, if they don’t have a program where they obligate women to go on dates with him, there’ll be hell to pay.
Robert, get a prostitute and don’t try to lay men like Sodini on all the women who don’t give it up on demand.
No one cares about your boner.
Well, they used to let you take the Refocus action, which gave you a higher initiative result, but in 3.5 they only let you Delay and Ready. /silly
Oh great, so now I’m sure you’ll be very chill and understanding if none of your government dates want to start a family with you.
Therapy isn’t meant to find you a girlfriend. It’s meant to help you get perspective and find worth in your life whether you have a girlfriend or not. You may or may not happen to meet a girlfriend at some point after this, but that’s not what the therapy is for.
…Are we being had? Is this a Poe?
You went to shrinks just so you could try to make them pity fuck you? What is wrong with you dude?
I think the thing about the shrinks actually freaks me out more than anything else Mr. Incel has said on here. Poor therapists!
I missed this the first time around, you’re wrong about me being a woman and I actually do have empathy for people who are lonely, feminist or not. But I’ll be charitable and say you’re half right since I have zero empathy for your incel crapola.
No wai. Do you have any empathy at all, for anyone? Why would you do that to someone who’s just trying to do their job? You know they could lose their license if they agreed? Oh, but that doesn’t matter because your boner is the most important thing ever.