Oh, you ladies, why do you even bother getting educated – sorry, “educated?” Don’t you know that if you get too educated you might end up marrying some dude who is less educated than you, which is apparently contrary to the laws of nature? Or maybe you’ll end up not getting married at all? The horror.
On The Spearhead, guest poster Lyn87 explains how he dropped some “red pill” knowledge on a buddy of his during a recent outing:
One guy has teenage daughters that he’s planning to put through college. I could not resist inserting some red pill into the mix, so I mentioned that 60% of degrees were going to women, and that women prefer to marry up. Since “educated” women don’t often go for “uneducated” men, a lot of women of his daughter’s generation were on their way toward spinsterhood for lack of “suitable” mates.
So women with education are only “educated” in scare-quotes. But men who are “uneducated” also get the scare quotes, because presumably they are wise beyond their years of formal study.
Alas, Lyn87’s friend wasn’t convinced by this brilliant argument to reconsider his decision to put his daughters through college, which leads Lyn87 to consider the possibility that “that some malevolent group of “Jezebels” is dissolving blue pills into the supply of drinking water.” Lions and tigers and malevolent Jezebels, oh my!
Consider his daughters. I’m sure they are good kids who would make any parent proud. But they don’t live on an island – they live among their peers and within the confines of biological and demographic reality. Even if EVERY one of their male college classmates marries one of his female classmates, a third of those young women will not find a male age-peer who is even her “academic equal,” much less someone with a higher level of education. But not every male graduate will marry a female classmate. Some will marry down. Some will choose not marry at all. Then subtract out the guys who are “creepy,” gay, or otherwise unsuitable, and we are left with a generation of “educated” women who are barreling toward a demographic wall at high velocity.
So women marrying guys with less education, or deciding not to marry at all, is somehow the equivalent of careening into a brick wall at top speed?
Marry up? My buddy’s daughters will be lucky if they can marry “across.” Many women of that generation will face hard choices: supply and demand in the adult world doesn’t much care how “empowered” you were in college. The women of that generation may be able to marry down, but few will want to. They may not marry at all and become wards of the state when they bear bastard children. They may become involuntary childless spinsters. They may go for much older men, but many of them have been through the Family Court meat grinder and must devote much of their effort to paying their exes’ bills.
Or they could end up like a friend of mine, happily unmarried at the age of 40 and dating a dude in his twenties. Or like another friend of mine, also 40, in a happily open marriage with a man a few years her junior and with several regular partners on the side. Or in a committed lesbian relationship.
And why assume that any single woman older than, oh, 25 is “involuntarily childless?” Most of the women I hang out with don’t want kids. They really, really don’t.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Lyn87, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
We know the score here: the degrees these girls are getting cluster in the “Who are you trying to kid?” category. They are not truly superior to the guys of their generation, but that degree in “You Must Be Joking!” makes them think they are. Most emerge from college with a pile of debt, no marketable skills they didn’t already possess in high school, and a few laps around the carousel – older but no wiser, and blissfully unaware that half of their years of prime beauty and fertility are already in the rear-view mirror.
Ugh. This again? At the age of 22 or so, “half of their years of prime beauty and fertility” are gone? Really? Their biological clock starts ticking at the age of, what, 16?
So instead of going to college, girls should be getting hitched before they even graduate from high school, so as to maximize their prime years of beauty and fertility? Sorry to have to break this to you, Lyn87, but that’s a recipe for disaster — even by “traditionalist” standards. According to a 2001 study by the Centers for Disease Control, nearly half of those who marry before they’re 18 divorce within ten years; that’s twice the divorce rate of those who wait until they’re at least 25.
Lyn87, somehow I suspect your buddy with the teenage daughters is doing a better job of looking out for their best interests than you are.
Some, er, “highlights” from the comments.
Kendoka seconds Lyn87’s concerns:
I question the popular wisdom of fathers relinquishing custody and authority over their 18 year old daughters by putting them through an institution designed to indoctrinate and create entitled promiscuous feminist careerist harpies and not loving wives and mothers through marriage.
A Father’s work is not complete until he has guided his daughter directly into marriage with his authority transfered to her husband. “Careers” can wait. Family cannot.
DruidV shares his less-than-fond memories of life in the 1980s, and offers a note of optimism for the future (for dudes anyway):
Way back in prehistoric times, say around 1985, I used to find myself very depressed when I would take note of all the foolish and desperate males I knew, who were jumping through impossible hoops for fickle females that just would let the poor bastards continue to keep right on jumping through those hoops, apparently just for their own entertainment. These twats seemed to take an almost sociopathic delight in this ‘sport’. The males were simply trying to be accepted.
Pathetic, really.Nowadays, I look about and see that young males are sick, tired, disgusted and jaded with these soulless cunts. Make no mistake, the hoops are still there, firmly in place for the males to jump through, but they are seeing less and less traffic every day.
I for one can easily see the females of generation z growing old alone, but for their cats and dying that way too and from what I’ve seen, these bitches can forget about marrying up, or even across anymore. These asshole entitlement whores won’t even be marrying down, in the not too distant future.
YAY!!!
Keyster presents a similarly optimistic scenario for the future — if predicting the apocalypse counts as optimism, which it generally does in MRA circles:
We have a perfect storm brewing of women working, men not, and each one rejecting marriage. In case no one noticed the Feminists started the gender war, and they won. Present day we live with the spiraling consequences; societal decline. Upon the collapse women will be the victims, AGAIN. The survivors will be men with only their own self-interest in mind. The last remnants of white-knightery will struggle to protect and provide, but will be ill-equipped to handle the guilt of failing.
Days of Broken Arrows isn’t quite so dramatic. He merely predicts that the dad planning on sending his girls to college will end up regretting this decision:
[N]ow instead of his daughter someday marrying the guy she met at 18, he’d prefer [her] to be using every orifice when she’s a fucktoy for a line of Alpha males who’ll pump and dump her. And he means that he doesn’t want a son-in-law or grandchildren. Well, I guess that’s all well and good, so long as it’s not “the way it used to be.”
Huh. Do colleges even have classes any more, or is it just one long orgy? How do these Alpha males have any time to study?
Right, it’s one thing to be an asshole in support of actually accomplishing something for boys; it’s quite another to be an asshole INSTEAD of doing something to help boys. Take that energy, Joe, and just redirect away from trolling and towards doing stuff to help people.
Educational reforms are frequently slow and shallow, largely because the instant anyone suggests doing education differently, they come up against a wall of “well, we when I was in school, we didn’t…
Honestly, this whole thing has more to do with how boys and girls are socialised than any recent educational reforms. Boys are taught that it’s usually okay to be loud and boisterous; girls are taught that they should be quiet and submissive. So even if the classroom itself is genuinely equal, it won’t necessarily produce equal results.
TL;DR – yet again, an MRA has picked the fact that an social advantage given to men can, to an extent, harm the men to whom it’s given as proof of some form of misandry,
Bullshit. Education in the US (I don’t know about the UK) has been getting shittier for everyone. The kind of structural inequalities that existed in education for women — expectation of home-ed/administrative concentrations, going to college to get their MRS, being entirely shut out of certain fields and blocked from the elite of almost all fields but virtue of vag-having — is absolutely not reflected in how men are treated by the educational system today.
So what if men are doing somewhat more poorly on their English test scores, and more women than men are graduating from college. It might be indicative of something, but it’s not indicative of institutionalized ‘misandry.’ It’s probably indicative of misogyny, in part — women these days are expected to be highly educated in addition to having fulfilling jobs and family lives, or they’ve ‘failed.’ Men, however, still get use having fulfilling/lucrative careers as an excuse for staying single. It’s also probably indicative of egalitarianism, in part — young men assume their female partners will likely be as or more educated than they are, so the burden of being breadwinner doesn’t fall on them by default (which isn’t actually a bad thing).
@The First Joe
Yes, Joe, we live in the now. So your assertion that boys have had it worse for 10-20 years means that if we, for example, take the last century, girls have had it worse for the last 90-80 years. Because if you insist on a binary where either girls or boys have it worse, then someone is always the loser, and you’re chuffed because it is OMGboys for the first time in recorded history. You’re not even going with a half century trend or anything, just that suddenly for the first time, and for a very small period of time, it seems like boys are doing slightly worse than girls (overall, as a demographic) and we should immediately change the educational system so that boys can be back on top for unspecified reasons.
I said any century for a reason. You can pick the current one – boys still come out on top overall.
Huh. That’s exactly me and bf’s ages, only gender reversed. We’re sure as hell not getting married though. Misandry? (I assume it must be, because I’m a vile M-feminist and it makes me happy.)
@pillowinhell – yes, there absolutely are race/class issues involved. Agreed. Most of what you address is US specific (schools here don’t do the prison style frisk like the US) but there are issues in UK inner cities too, with education as only part of it.
Oh hai joe. Still pissy about people calling you a transphobe? Are you try to call some other manboobzer a transphobe to take away from your own transphobia? Oh cool, keep trying to be the spokesperson for trans people so them as a beating stick against feminists. It’s cute but unoriginal. Maybe try for the disabled next?
Naw, Jumbo, he can’t, that’s RHW’s thing XD
The judge doing the wedding is female so maybe that is how it is MISANDRY because after all, women cannot be judges-they should be staying home and making some man judge happy.
Joe, wherever you happen to be, I will be dollars to doughnuts that children of color are getting frequently stopped by police, in the street, still several blocks from school. Cops will stop people of color for no reason. And they do it to kids, who understandably are humilliated and rattled and not focussing on their school work as a result.
Canada is supposed to be better than the US on this, but it happens here too. Much to my shame.
Dude, you don’t get to co-opt racial issues to feed your OMGSCHOOLISMISANDRY bullshit.
Does being an M feminist give you special superpowers? Is it something I have to qualify for? If I have to qualify, will affirmative action give me a leg up? Will I find extra cash in my tampon box?
@jessoniian – you said: “So what if men are doing somewhat more poorly on their English test scores, and more women than men are graduating from college.”
Now I can see you don’t give a shit about boys or men. Thanks for making that clear.
“It might be indicative of something, but it’s not indicative of institutionalized ‘misandry.’ It’s probably indicative of misogyny, in part — women these days are expected to be highly educated in addition to having fulfilling jobs and family lives, or they’ve ‘failed.’”
Hahahahah.
When women did worse: misogyny . Now men do worse: misogyny.
You’re a broken record jessonian.
@amandajane – We can’t do anything to help past students, only current ones. You clearly want todays generation of boys to suffer out of spite. I have zero time for that attitude.
@Sirwhatsitthingybob- nonsense, education has changed deeply and systemically over the last twenty years. Even when I was at school they were already doing big experiments with it e.g. I have two sets of exam certs (GCE and CSE) having been the last year to sit 16+ before GCSE… they tried to stop my year studying three sciences for instance at my comprehensive state secondary / high school (which would’ve blocked me and a bunch of friends from going on to Uni to study science/medicine, we actually had to get our parents to hassle the headmaster, and wound up taking an extra subject in the mornings and lunchtimes to make it work – previously unheard of at our rough state school.)
I’m behind on the thread, as I was playing with data. Wtf is your data source Joe?
Math scores over time, by gender, and by gender and race.
Reading scores over time, by gender, and by gender and race.
There’s no significant drop in male scores on any of those, well, at least not for white men anyways — note the trend in reading scores among black men, now review what pillowinhell said about ways to change that. (Charts compiled from NCES’s chart maker)
Gotcha. There were some administrative changes.
Shorter, less math-y, version — math scores have been pretty stable, reading scores have, overall, dropped for men, but have been level for white men while dropping for non-white men — the problem here is racism, not misandry.
Thanks argenti! I couldn’t be arsed to do Joes research for him. I figure that if he’s serious about wanting to help boys, he’d do the research himself.
Heh, I’m such a bitch for not doing a mans work for him..
Thing is, Joe, part of the reason that nobody is taking you very seriously is that, based on your track record, there’s no reason to believe that if the current trend (which is more complicated than you make it out to be anyway) was reversed and suddenly boys were doing better than girls to the same degree that girls are doing better than boys now, you’d care, or feel that that was an urgent problem that needed fixing. I’m guessing that you’d just shrug your shoulders and go “well, maybe boys are just smarter, whatever”.
In order for people to take you seriously when you talk about equality issues they have to believe that you care about equality. Thus far you’ve given us no reason to believe that you do.
“@pillowinhell – yes, there absolutely are race/class issues involved. Agreed. Most of what you address is US specific (schools here don’t do the prison style frisk like the US) but there are issues in UK inner cities too, with education as only part of it.”
Oh, you’re in the UK, sorry about the US specific data then.
@ The First Joe:
Those private all-male schools you mention? I’m just going to guess that the “private” there is the important part, since private schools (a) get to pick and choose which kids they take, and generally take rich children who are likely to do well regardless of the situation and (b) these schools likely have a reputation to trade on when sending boys to college. This says nothing about whether boys in general, in particular boys who are poor, would do better with mixed sex education–and the fact that some of the top, and likely oldest, private schools are boys’ only is likely a result of misogyny, even if only historical misogyny.
pillowinhell — not a problem, I still enjoy math-y distractions 🙂
Or, to put it another way, there are some academic fields in which men are still doing much better than women. Since you’ve given us no indication that you see that to be a problem, we have no reason to believe that equality is what you’re after.
Hmmm…. Hey Joe? What womens issue do you think needs to be addressed and/ or corrected? If you’re all about equality, there must be some issue relevant to women you’re concerned about.
So now that the barriers in education for women have been broken and women are not only allowed to enter the workforce and work and high paying jobs, you’ve found something NEW to whine about: The fact that women can’t always “have it all” and might just have to CHOOSE between a satisfying, lucrative career, and their instinct to pop out bbs!
@ Wordspinner
I went to a girls version of the kind of school Joe is talking about. Not a single student at my school failed to significantly outperform the national average. This is not because of misandry, it’s partly because of money, partly because of society being set up in such a way that upper class kids always have a headstart, and partly because we had to take an entrance exam to get in and any student who later failed to meet the expected academic standards was kicked out.