Oh, you ladies, why do you even bother getting educated – sorry, “educated?” Don’t you know that if you get too educated you might end up marrying some dude who is less educated than you, which is apparently contrary to the laws of nature? Or maybe you’ll end up not getting married at all? The horror.
On The Spearhead, guest poster Lyn87 explains how he dropped some “red pill” knowledge on a buddy of his during a recent outing:
One guy has teenage daughters that he’s planning to put through college. I could not resist inserting some red pill into the mix, so I mentioned that 60% of degrees were going to women, and that women prefer to marry up. Since “educated” women don’t often go for “uneducated” men, a lot of women of his daughter’s generation were on their way toward spinsterhood for lack of “suitable” mates.
So women with education are only “educated” in scare-quotes. But men who are “uneducated” also get the scare quotes, because presumably they are wise beyond their years of formal study.
Alas, Lyn87’s friend wasn’t convinced by this brilliant argument to reconsider his decision to put his daughters through college, which leads Lyn87 to consider the possibility that “that some malevolent group of “Jezebels” is dissolving blue pills into the supply of drinking water.” Lions and tigers and malevolent Jezebels, oh my!
Consider his daughters. I’m sure they are good kids who would make any parent proud. But they don’t live on an island – they live among their peers and within the confines of biological and demographic reality. Even if EVERY one of their male college classmates marries one of his female classmates, a third of those young women will not find a male age-peer who is even her “academic equal,” much less someone with a higher level of education. But not every male graduate will marry a female classmate. Some will marry down. Some will choose not marry at all. Then subtract out the guys who are “creepy,” gay, or otherwise unsuitable, and we are left with a generation of “educated” women who are barreling toward a demographic wall at high velocity.
So women marrying guys with less education, or deciding not to marry at all, is somehow the equivalent of careening into a brick wall at top speed?
Marry up? My buddy’s daughters will be lucky if they can marry “across.” Many women of that generation will face hard choices: supply and demand in the adult world doesn’t much care how “empowered” you were in college. The women of that generation may be able to marry down, but few will want to. They may not marry at all and become wards of the state when they bear bastard children. They may become involuntary childless spinsters. They may go for much older men, but many of them have been through the Family Court meat grinder and must devote much of their effort to paying their exes’ bills.
Or they could end up like a friend of mine, happily unmarried at the age of 40 and dating a dude in his twenties. Or like another friend of mine, also 40, in a happily open marriage with a man a few years her junior and with several regular partners on the side. Or in a committed lesbian relationship.
And why assume that any single woman older than, oh, 25 is “involuntarily childless?” Most of the women I hang out with don’t want kids. They really, really don’t.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Lyn87, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
We know the score here: the degrees these girls are getting cluster in the “Who are you trying to kid?” category. They are not truly superior to the guys of their generation, but that degree in “You Must Be Joking!” makes them think they are. Most emerge from college with a pile of debt, no marketable skills they didn’t already possess in high school, and a few laps around the carousel – older but no wiser, and blissfully unaware that half of their years of prime beauty and fertility are already in the rear-view mirror.
Ugh. This again? At the age of 22 or so, “half of their years of prime beauty and fertility” are gone? Really? Their biological clock starts ticking at the age of, what, 16?
So instead of going to college, girls should be getting hitched before they even graduate from high school, so as to maximize their prime years of beauty and fertility? Sorry to have to break this to you, Lyn87, but that’s a recipe for disaster — even by “traditionalist” standards. According to a 2001 study by the Centers for Disease Control, nearly half of those who marry before they’re 18 divorce within ten years; that’s twice the divorce rate of those who wait until they’re at least 25.
Lyn87, somehow I suspect your buddy with the teenage daughters is doing a better job of looking out for their best interests than you are.
Some, er, “highlights” from the comments.
Kendoka seconds Lyn87’s concerns:
I question the popular wisdom of fathers relinquishing custody and authority over their 18 year old daughters by putting them through an institution designed to indoctrinate and create entitled promiscuous feminist careerist harpies and not loving wives and mothers through marriage.
A Father’s work is not complete until he has guided his daughter directly into marriage with his authority transfered to her husband. “Careers” can wait. Family cannot.
DruidV shares his less-than-fond memories of life in the 1980s, and offers a note of optimism for the future (for dudes anyway):
Way back in prehistoric times, say around 1985, I used to find myself very depressed when I would take note of all the foolish and desperate males I knew, who were jumping through impossible hoops for fickle females that just would let the poor bastards continue to keep right on jumping through those hoops, apparently just for their own entertainment. These twats seemed to take an almost sociopathic delight in this ‘sport’. The males were simply trying to be accepted.
Pathetic, really.Nowadays, I look about and see that young males are sick, tired, disgusted and jaded with these soulless cunts. Make no mistake, the hoops are still there, firmly in place for the males to jump through, but they are seeing less and less traffic every day.
I for one can easily see the females of generation z growing old alone, but for their cats and dying that way too and from what I’ve seen, these bitches can forget about marrying up, or even across anymore. These asshole entitlement whores won’t even be marrying down, in the not too distant future.
YAY!!!
Keyster presents a similarly optimistic scenario for the future — if predicting the apocalypse counts as optimism, which it generally does in MRA circles:
We have a perfect storm brewing of women working, men not, and each one rejecting marriage. In case no one noticed the Feminists started the gender war, and they won. Present day we live with the spiraling consequences; societal decline. Upon the collapse women will be the victims, AGAIN. The survivors will be men with only their own self-interest in mind. The last remnants of white-knightery will struggle to protect and provide, but will be ill-equipped to handle the guilt of failing.
Days of Broken Arrows isn’t quite so dramatic. He merely predicts that the dad planning on sending his girls to college will end up regretting this decision:
[N]ow instead of his daughter someday marrying the guy she met at 18, he’d prefer [her] to be using every orifice when she’s a fucktoy for a line of Alpha males who’ll pump and dump her. And he means that he doesn’t want a son-in-law or grandchildren. Well, I guess that’s all well and good, so long as it’s not “the way it used to be.”
Huh. Do colleges even have classes any more, or is it just one long orgy? How do these Alpha males have any time to study?
@Sharculese
I really hate visiting these sites and giving them traffic. Then the bloggers use the visit count to say “Oh look 7,000 hits, I must be popular” when many of those hits are just people like myself who in no way support them.
@ragefromthebasement I don’t think visiting the Google cached version counts as a hit, so here’s a link.
These are just the moanings of pigs despirate to revive a dying patriarchy.
So…you are now saying that women don’t all want to marry rich guys? Good!
I’m surprised lyn87’s friend didn’t tell him to fuck off and mind his own business about his daughters’ plans for the future.
The first time I heard the phrase “transfer of authority” about a dad passing control of his daughter to his son in law was from the TV show Nineteen Kids and Counting. Josh’s father in law said the wedding was a transfer of authority over the bride, Anna. Hearing it makes me want to gag.
What I find interesting is that they are equating “marrying up” with education, when historically, post-secondary (even just secondary) education has been very restricted to a small portion of the upper classes.
Most people throughout history have married “across.” You tend to stick to your own social class. Most women would marry (be married off to) men who had a similar financial and social status to the one that their father’s had.
Of course most women have married up in accordance to earning potential but when you consider that during much of history women have either not been allowed to work or have had their wages held down artificially, that’s kind of a given. There was literally not an option for it to happen any other way.
My grandparents started their families in the 50’s. All four received only their high school education, none of them married up. In fact I can’t think of a single case where a woman married a man with more education than herself in my family, although quite a few in reverse, including myself. And that makes quite a lot of sense, even with the decimated manufacturing sector, men are far more likely to get a somewhat decent paying job without a post-secondary education.
My mom has a masters degree in special education, my dad is an auto mechanic. I guess that means my dad must secretly have a degree he’s never mentioned if women always marry up or across. Now my dad is incredibly awesome and in no other way would I ever imply my mom married down except in regards to education level.
yeah bionic, I’m pretty sure that ‘transfer of authority’ back in the day denoted a transfer of responsibility since women were not allowed to or could not have their own income or household. In the best families that was surely a benevolent acknowledgement of protection for someone that was now at the mercy of other-than-blood relatives. As with most traditions people don’t question them much, but that’s definitely a relic from yesteryear.
Chattel Slavery: A civil relationship in which one person has absolute power over the life, fortune, and liberty of another.
Still illegal in the US.
MRAs, still pissed about it being illegal.
also the “we’ll run out of white babies” thing? I have seen on you tube there is a cross over with MRM and the white babies are going extinct people.
*shiver*
oops and I should add that some are not opposed at all to marrying foreigners that are non white. Have to add that.
@indifferentsky
I think the implication is that white women are “forcing” men to marry foreigners with our horribleness. Therefore the lack of white babies = white women’s fault.
yes! You are right.
Another point in why MRAs dislike the idea of women’s being educated: The more education anyone has, the better able they are to earn their own living. Not just that they’re no longer the MRA ideal of 15 and hot, but that they learn to live on their own. A woman who pursues her educational goals has better opportunities for good employment than one who marries young and has children young. These oh-so-hot younger, and less educated, women would be more dependent, less able to fend for themselves, and therefore less able to leave an unhappy marriage. MRAs hate women having any ability to function with independence.
>I guess because the women are all over 40 they don’t count.
I think that yes, they did state the women over 30 are a waste of space, never mind all the precious air they’re consuming.
They did so repeatedly.
>Has any semblance of an explanation for the cause-and-effect relationship MRAs seem to attribute to ‘people stop getting married therefore apocalypse’ ever been given?
It’s the old tale of non-Anglo-Saxons outbreeding the Anglo-Saxons, leading straight to society collapsing.
@Freitag:
“These oh-so-hot younger, and less educated, women would be more dependent, less able to fend for themselves, and therefore less able to leave an unhappy marriage.”
Which brings us right back around to the “I don’t want a woman stealing my money or demanding that I ‘subsidize’ her food intake” argument.
Major MRA problem: refusal to see that you can’t have it both ways.
In unrelated news:
Today I noticed manboobz regular The Bewilderness posting approvingly (with a plug for manboobz no less) on a rabidly transphobic RedFem blog.
http://cherryblossomlife.com/2012/05/18/the-worlds-losers-out-themselves-for-radfem-2012/
(see sixth comment down)
Now, maybe The Bewilderness in her rush to agree with anyone trashing MRAs just didn’t notice that:
The loathsome cherryblossomlife not only regards 98% of men as “redundant to the species” and the remainder merely as sperm-donors (mmmm, eugenics and genocide!) but that LOTS of her blog is devoted to really horribly attacking trans women, (who cherryblossomlife regards as men: “various men’s groups (inlcuding M2Ts)” … “the f*cking MRAs, the tranz (and their handmaidens), the religionists, and the pimps who don’t want women to meet up”)
Here’s further transphobic bullshit from cherryblossom, including her bizzaro fantasy of men’s attraction to women:
http://cherryblossomlife.com/2012/07/29/why-transwomen-will-never-be-as-exciting-as-women/
Or, maybe The Bewilderness agrees with cherryblossomlife’s RadFem transphobia as well as her misandry??
So, which is it The Bewilderness?
And, how do the rest of the manboobzers feel about being associated in such a pally way with a transphobic, misandric RadFem??
MRAs want women with large dowries that they (the MRAs) can control and use to pay for their woman’s expenses without lightening their own bank accounts. At least, that’s the only explanation I can think of.
“misandrist”
nobody is associated with that person Joe.
Nice try, and regarding what she says….
Who cares?
Dude, I’m not even clicking on that shit. But seriously, I comment on this blog even though NWOSlave (racist, anti-Semitic, disturbingly sexually aware of children) also comments here. Does that make him my pal or imply I endorse his views? Nope.
Seriously, doing the tattle tale thing is childish and frankly a bit creepy stalker behavior. Grow up, and stop following The Bewilderness around.
(For the record, I am not comparing The Bewilderness to Owly, just saying that the actions and opinions of one commenter here do not reflect automatically on the other commenters, or on David, UNLESS WE SAY WE ENDORSE THEM.)
Who is TheBewilderess?
(a regular? I think not.)
@indifferentsky – well, clearly you don’t care – your handle is appropriate, eh?
The Bewilderness is a frequent manboobzer – she has the gravatar with the CatShark thing, so youARE associated with her in that you both post here regularly and you share a political movement i.e. feminism.
“Most of them have got kids they never see and don’t pay child support for, and yet one of their main aims is to fight for “equality” in the divorce courts which translates as using children as pawns to hurt women.”
This is that bloggers response to a comment left on her blog by bewilderess, they are talking about manboobz. We don’t know bewilderess’s take on what that blog says, it’s likely nuanced, that’s the benny of the doubt I would offer, and she/he is not on trial here. Talk to me when an entire movement takes on that flavor, oh and when you do I’ll need evidence.
Joe, I am not the sky, but thanks.
@Leum, why not just buy a RealDoll? All the sex you want, and they don’t eat at all.