Oh, you ladies, why do you even bother getting educated – sorry, “educated?” Don’t you know that if you get too educated you might end up marrying some dude who is less educated than you, which is apparently contrary to the laws of nature? Or maybe you’ll end up not getting married at all? The horror.
On The Spearhead, guest poster Lyn87 explains how he dropped some “red pill” knowledge on a buddy of his during a recent outing:
One guy has teenage daughters that he’s planning to put through college. I could not resist inserting some red pill into the mix, so I mentioned that 60% of degrees were going to women, and that women prefer to marry up. Since “educated” women don’t often go for “uneducated” men, a lot of women of his daughter’s generation were on their way toward spinsterhood for lack of “suitable” mates.
So women with education are only “educated” in scare-quotes. But men who are “uneducated” also get the scare quotes, because presumably they are wise beyond their years of formal study.
Alas, Lyn87’s friend wasn’t convinced by this brilliant argument to reconsider his decision to put his daughters through college, which leads Lyn87 to consider the possibility that “that some malevolent group of “Jezebels” is dissolving blue pills into the supply of drinking water.” Lions and tigers and malevolent Jezebels, oh my!
Consider his daughters. I’m sure they are good kids who would make any parent proud. But they don’t live on an island – they live among their peers and within the confines of biological and demographic reality. Even if EVERY one of their male college classmates marries one of his female classmates, a third of those young women will not find a male age-peer who is even her “academic equal,” much less someone with a higher level of education. But not every male graduate will marry a female classmate. Some will marry down. Some will choose not marry at all. Then subtract out the guys who are “creepy,” gay, or otherwise unsuitable, and we are left with a generation of “educated” women who are barreling toward a demographic wall at high velocity.
So women marrying guys with less education, or deciding not to marry at all, is somehow the equivalent of careening into a brick wall at top speed?
Marry up? My buddy’s daughters will be lucky if they can marry “across.” Many women of that generation will face hard choices: supply and demand in the adult world doesn’t much care how “empowered” you were in college. The women of that generation may be able to marry down, but few will want to. They may not marry at all and become wards of the state when they bear bastard children. They may become involuntary childless spinsters. They may go for much older men, but many of them have been through the Family Court meat grinder and must devote much of their effort to paying their exes’ bills.
Or they could end up like a friend of mine, happily unmarried at the age of 40 and dating a dude in his twenties. Or like another friend of mine, also 40, in a happily open marriage with a man a few years her junior and with several regular partners on the side. Or in a committed lesbian relationship.
And why assume that any single woman older than, oh, 25 is “involuntarily childless?” Most of the women I hang out with don’t want kids. They really, really don’t.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Lyn87, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
We know the score here: the degrees these girls are getting cluster in the “Who are you trying to kid?” category. They are not truly superior to the guys of their generation, but that degree in “You Must Be Joking!” makes them think they are. Most emerge from college with a pile of debt, no marketable skills they didn’t already possess in high school, and a few laps around the carousel – older but no wiser, and blissfully unaware that half of their years of prime beauty and fertility are already in the rear-view mirror.
Ugh. This again? At the age of 22 or so, “half of their years of prime beauty and fertility” are gone? Really? Their biological clock starts ticking at the age of, what, 16?
So instead of going to college, girls should be getting hitched before they even graduate from high school, so as to maximize their prime years of beauty and fertility? Sorry to have to break this to you, Lyn87, but that’s a recipe for disaster — even by “traditionalist” standards. According to a 2001 study by the Centers for Disease Control, nearly half of those who marry before they’re 18 divorce within ten years; that’s twice the divorce rate of those who wait until they’re at least 25.
Lyn87, somehow I suspect your buddy with the teenage daughters is doing a better job of looking out for their best interests than you are.
Some, er, “highlights” from the comments.
Kendoka seconds Lyn87’s concerns:
I question the popular wisdom of fathers relinquishing custody and authority over their 18 year old daughters by putting them through an institution designed to indoctrinate and create entitled promiscuous feminist careerist harpies and not loving wives and mothers through marriage.
A Father’s work is not complete until he has guided his daughter directly into marriage with his authority transfered to her husband. “Careers” can wait. Family cannot.
DruidV shares his less-than-fond memories of life in the 1980s, and offers a note of optimism for the future (for dudes anyway):
Way back in prehistoric times, say around 1985, I used to find myself very depressed when I would take note of all the foolish and desperate males I knew, who were jumping through impossible hoops for fickle females that just would let the poor bastards continue to keep right on jumping through those hoops, apparently just for their own entertainment. These twats seemed to take an almost sociopathic delight in this ‘sport’. The males were simply trying to be accepted.
Pathetic, really.Nowadays, I look about and see that young males are sick, tired, disgusted and jaded with these soulless cunts. Make no mistake, the hoops are still there, firmly in place for the males to jump through, but they are seeing less and less traffic every day.
I for one can easily see the females of generation z growing old alone, but for their cats and dying that way too and from what I’ve seen, these bitches can forget about marrying up, or even across anymore. These asshole entitlement whores won’t even be marrying down, in the not too distant future.
YAY!!!
Keyster presents a similarly optimistic scenario for the future — if predicting the apocalypse counts as optimism, which it generally does in MRA circles:
We have a perfect storm brewing of women working, men not, and each one rejecting marriage. In case no one noticed the Feminists started the gender war, and they won. Present day we live with the spiraling consequences; societal decline. Upon the collapse women will be the victims, AGAIN. The survivors will be men with only their own self-interest in mind. The last remnants of white-knightery will struggle to protect and provide, but will be ill-equipped to handle the guilt of failing.
Days of Broken Arrows isn’t quite so dramatic. He merely predicts that the dad planning on sending his girls to college will end up regretting this decision:
[N]ow instead of his daughter someday marrying the guy she met at 18, he’d prefer [her] to be using every orifice when she’s a fucktoy for a line of Alpha males who’ll pump and dump her. And he means that he doesn’t want a son-in-law or grandchildren. Well, I guess that’s all well and good, so long as it’s not “the way it used to be.”
Huh. Do colleges even have classes any more, or is it just one long orgy? How do these Alpha males have any time to study?
@ithiliana, yes i think it was Milton, i remember that fact from my Honours year English…the reason i remember it from so long ago (early 90s) is that the lecturer regaled us with the fact that Milton would summon his daughters to record his words by yelling out “MILK ME”.
at the time, i sniggered helplessly at the back of the hall.
why am i in moderation? what bad did i do?
Spenser didn’t go blind, and wasn’t known for Latin Verse, so I’m with the idea that it’s Milton.
But even at that, most of Milton’s work was in Engish, even those, such as Defensio Secunda, which were aimed at Continental Audiences, were simultaneously written in English.
With the exception of, De doctrina Christiana, which was found almost 150 years after his death, there isn’t any great body of work in Latin from him, and things like, Defensio pro Populorum Anglicano and Colosterion were written before he lost his sight.
So it’s not, so far as I can see, a fair complaint that he denied his daughters the ability to understand his work.
Ithiliana,
All that I was saying in the post that you are so fond of quoting as an example of my “favoring” the kiling of women who don’t obey(??!) is a variance of the commonplace observation that “an ounce of prevention is worth a poiund of cure”.
If a woman knows that a certain course of action is likely to provoke undesirable consequences, isn’t it mere common sense to suggest that, in her own interest, she should avoid the action which is contraindicated?
Or are even intelligent women incapable of such common sense?
What is being cured? She got a divorce. She moved away. He chose to hunt her down and kill her.
Your answer is… do whatever he tells you, don’t make him angry. If he beats you, well don’t leave… that will only make him kill you.
Men, of course, don’t need to worry. Any woman who would hit one, or (god forbid) kill him is a beast, and needs to be put down (as with a kitten who scratches).
Your answer is.. be a slave. That’s always been your answer. Liberty… only for the men. Women need to do what they are told; and know the are alive only because the man, of whom they are the property, chooses not to kill them.
Meller, SHUT UP. By all means, keep digging if you must, but you sure aren’t doing yourself any favors. You’re making yourself look like an even bigger toad.
Pecunium and Hellkell: Thank you! *hugs*
Hugs back, Ithiliana. Only a complete fuckhead like him would try to defend what happened to your student.
He’s not being a fuckhead. He knows just what he’s saying. He’s dressing it up with, “common sense” but he wants women to be afraid. He wants them to be terrified of standing up for themselves. He wants them to be scared to death of the consequences of leaving.
He pretends to being “shocked, shocked, to discover” that some men don’t favor reward over punishment. But he isn’t unhappy about it. His scheme for running the world needs some men to be willing to abuse and kill their partner, pour encourage les autres.
Which is why he works to keep the examples just enough out of sight to be not-quite ignored; while decrying anything any woman does which isn’t subservient as being a deviation from all that is fitting and proper.
I’ve met people like him, usually racists, but sexists too. I’m not non-violent. I will defend someone else, with force if I know the situation merits it. The hard part is those times when it’s not quite to the point that intervening is workable.
But Meller… if I knew him, I’d be keeping an eye on him.
@Pecunium: Which is why he works to keep the examples just enough out of sight to be not-quite ignored; while decrying anything any woman does which isn’t subservient as being a deviation from all that is fitting and proper.
Yup–which is one reason I keep posting that–so people who are not familiar with his behavior will see it!
Pecunium, he is a fuckhead. I’m well aware that he knows exactly what he’s saying.
yeah… you’re right. He is a fuckhead. I let the undertone take over my reaction, because he is such a weak-kneed, weaselly fuckhead.
Shitbird’s probably an even better descriptor.
namecalling, and misrepresentation, from people who know how feminism has completely corrupted relationships between the sexes, and instigated bitterness, and even violence, where none existed, but who have no real logic or arguments to support “equality of the sexes” now that the empirical consequences of that idea are stinking up the economy and society on all levels and for almost everyone–except for the(criminal) elites at the very top–EVERYWHERE, from the civil service to the armed forces, from academia to much of the “news” and iformation media, from what passes for popular entertainment to the law and the judiciary…
Everything has been polluted with the wretched “equality” that we are all, like so many mindless lemmings, supposed to celebrate, and the results are becoming all too clear.
For an all too brief overview, simply treat yourselves to viewing a few of the so-called “rightwing” blogs and websites that I cited in previous posts.
Shorter Meller: blah blah blah…
Meller, come up with something new to whine about. Even back in the golden days of yore, men would be appalled with your thinking and women still wouldn’t marry you.
<More bitter whiny trolling.
Meller, Who do you think you are convincing? We don’t agree that everything is ruined. t could be more equal, and I think that would be good , but things aren’t broken (certainly not the Army). I know you are disappointed that you don’t get a Gorean Slave Girl of your very own; one who will know she doesn’t measure up to Madame Alexander; and is barely worthy to dust her Lady Loveliness.
But that’s not the fault of feminism. There are women who want to live a life of Gor.
The problem Meller, is you. They don’t want you.
Because you are a whiney, woman-hating, shitbird.
Pecunium (otherwise known as argumentum ad hominem):
It takes one to know one!
David K. Meller: I know you are and I am too!
Oh fucking hell, Meller. This is pathetic, even for you.
It’s not an ad hominem to point out that it’s your own fault you can’t cope the modern world. Because first of all, it’s true. And second, it does in fact invalidate your entire argument.
Meller: To know what? That I have a partner, and lovers? That I have a partner, and lovers, because of my character?
I can live with that.
As to ad hominem…. nope. I didn’t say your arguments were invalid because you have vile beliefs. I said you are alone with your dolls because you have vile beliefs.
I further insulted you by saying the women who share your fantasies don’t want you, and imputed it to their having the sense to recognise your vile beliefs.
This is because I happen to think you have vile beliefs, and even accepting that fact about you I am showing more respect than you deserve; because honestly, people who think the shit you think; who let such anger, hatred and bigotry fill their heads, don’t deserve the courtesy of even such politesse as I’ve shown you.
Were I to loose my actual sentiments, you would clutch your pearls, swoon and probably faint onto your doll collection. Some of them would get hurt. They deserve better than that; which is part of why I restrain myself.
Meller: Still laughing at cancer patients? Still trying to get people to euthanize their cats for being cats? Yes? Fuck right off then.
And I call bullshit on your ‘educated women will all be spinsters’ theory. I have… gods, I have something like six years of college (no degree, because Life, the Universe and Everything keeps fucking up my plans) and am happily married. I know many other very well educated women who are either married or in happy relationships. You are, as ever, full of shit.
Bitterness and even violence did not exist in relationships between the sexes prior to feminism? You believe that? Are you REALLY. THAT. STUPID??
Pam: Sometimes I think so. Other times, I am sure it’s mostly an act.
But yes, Meller does think that feminism has increased the bitterness. Mostly by making it less acceptable to beat women. He is also resentful that they aren’t property. That’s the part that make him bitter. He doesn’t get to own women.
Because he really doesn’t think them fully human. Like blacks they aren’t as smart, or rational as white men; so they need to be isolated, kept from harm, and the dissatisfactions they would suffer if people told them they are every bit as capable as men.
There was a time where violence and displeasure in marriage were way better hidden today, and a hidden problem is a solved problem, right?