Oh, you ladies, why do you even bother getting educated – sorry, “educated?” Don’t you know that if you get too educated you might end up marrying some dude who is less educated than you, which is apparently contrary to the laws of nature? Or maybe you’ll end up not getting married at all? The horror.
On The Spearhead, guest poster Lyn87 explains how he dropped some “red pill” knowledge on a buddy of his during a recent outing:
One guy has teenage daughters that he’s planning to put through college. I could not resist inserting some red pill into the mix, so I mentioned that 60% of degrees were going to women, and that women prefer to marry up. Since “educated” women don’t often go for “uneducated” men, a lot of women of his daughter’s generation were on their way toward spinsterhood for lack of “suitable” mates.
So women with education are only “educated” in scare-quotes. But men who are “uneducated” also get the scare quotes, because presumably they are wise beyond their years of formal study.
Alas, Lyn87’s friend wasn’t convinced by this brilliant argument to reconsider his decision to put his daughters through college, which leads Lyn87 to consider the possibility that “that some malevolent group of “Jezebels” is dissolving blue pills into the supply of drinking water.” Lions and tigers and malevolent Jezebels, oh my!
Consider his daughters. I’m sure they are good kids who would make any parent proud. But they don’t live on an island – they live among their peers and within the confines of biological and demographic reality. Even if EVERY one of their male college classmates marries one of his female classmates, a third of those young women will not find a male age-peer who is even her “academic equal,” much less someone with a higher level of education. But not every male graduate will marry a female classmate. Some will marry down. Some will choose not marry at all. Then subtract out the guys who are “creepy,” gay, or otherwise unsuitable, and we are left with a generation of “educated” women who are barreling toward a demographic wall at high velocity.
So women marrying guys with less education, or deciding not to marry at all, is somehow the equivalent of careening into a brick wall at top speed?
Marry up? My buddy’s daughters will be lucky if they can marry “across.” Many women of that generation will face hard choices: supply and demand in the adult world doesn’t much care how “empowered” you were in college. The women of that generation may be able to marry down, but few will want to. They may not marry at all and become wards of the state when they bear bastard children. They may become involuntary childless spinsters. They may go for much older men, but many of them have been through the Family Court meat grinder and must devote much of their effort to paying their exes’ bills.
Or they could end up like a friend of mine, happily unmarried at the age of 40 and dating a dude in his twenties. Or like another friend of mine, also 40, in a happily open marriage with a man a few years her junior and with several regular partners on the side. Or in a committed lesbian relationship.
And why assume that any single woman older than, oh, 25 is “involuntarily childless?” Most of the women I hang out with don’t want kids. They really, really don’t.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Lyn87, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
We know the score here: the degrees these girls are getting cluster in the “Who are you trying to kid?” category. They are not truly superior to the guys of their generation, but that degree in “You Must Be Joking!” makes them think they are. Most emerge from college with a pile of debt, no marketable skills they didn’t already possess in high school, and a few laps around the carousel – older but no wiser, and blissfully unaware that half of their years of prime beauty and fertility are already in the rear-view mirror.
Ugh. This again? At the age of 22 or so, “half of their years of prime beauty and fertility” are gone? Really? Their biological clock starts ticking at the age of, what, 16?
So instead of going to college, girls should be getting hitched before they even graduate from high school, so as to maximize their prime years of beauty and fertility? Sorry to have to break this to you, Lyn87, but that’s a recipe for disaster — even by “traditionalist” standards. According to a 2001 study by the Centers for Disease Control, nearly half of those who marry before they’re 18 divorce within ten years; that’s twice the divorce rate of those who wait until they’re at least 25.
Lyn87, somehow I suspect your buddy with the teenage daughters is doing a better job of looking out for their best interests than you are.
Some, er, “highlights” from the comments.
Kendoka seconds Lyn87’s concerns:
I question the popular wisdom of fathers relinquishing custody and authority over their 18 year old daughters by putting them through an institution designed to indoctrinate and create entitled promiscuous feminist careerist harpies and not loving wives and mothers through marriage.
A Father’s work is not complete until he has guided his daughter directly into marriage with his authority transfered to her husband. “Careers” can wait. Family cannot.
DruidV shares his less-than-fond memories of life in the 1980s, and offers a note of optimism for the future (for dudes anyway):
Way back in prehistoric times, say around 1985, I used to find myself very depressed when I would take note of all the foolish and desperate males I knew, who were jumping through impossible hoops for fickle females that just would let the poor bastards continue to keep right on jumping through those hoops, apparently just for their own entertainment. These twats seemed to take an almost sociopathic delight in this ‘sport’. The males were simply trying to be accepted.
Pathetic, really.Nowadays, I look about and see that young males are sick, tired, disgusted and jaded with these soulless cunts. Make no mistake, the hoops are still there, firmly in place for the males to jump through, but they are seeing less and less traffic every day.
I for one can easily see the females of generation z growing old alone, but for their cats and dying that way too and from what I’ve seen, these bitches can forget about marrying up, or even across anymore. These asshole entitlement whores won’t even be marrying down, in the not too distant future.
YAY!!!
Keyster presents a similarly optimistic scenario for the future — if predicting the apocalypse counts as optimism, which it generally does in MRA circles:
We have a perfect storm brewing of women working, men not, and each one rejecting marriage. In case no one noticed the Feminists started the gender war, and they won. Present day we live with the spiraling consequences; societal decline. Upon the collapse women will be the victims, AGAIN. The survivors will be men with only their own self-interest in mind. The last remnants of white-knightery will struggle to protect and provide, but will be ill-equipped to handle the guilt of failing.
Days of Broken Arrows isn’t quite so dramatic. He merely predicts that the dad planning on sending his girls to college will end up regretting this decision:
[N]ow instead of his daughter someday marrying the guy she met at 18, he’d prefer [her] to be using every orifice when she’s a fucktoy for a line of Alpha males who’ll pump and dump her. And he means that he doesn’t want a son-in-law or grandchildren. Well, I guess that’s all well and good, so long as it’s not “the way it used to be.”
Huh. Do colleges even have classes any more, or is it just one long orgy? How do these Alpha males have any time to study?
Off-topic, but might this be the first time in human history that anyone has used the phrase “catsharking and manboobzing”? I think so.
Come to think of it, I’d really like it if a misanthrope would prove me wrong about ‘misanthropy’ really just being an excuse to complain about minorities.
Nom, evopsych is a failed way to explain the mechanical underpinnings. It’s used in ridiculous ways by ridiculous people. So to use that as an example of how women are more optimistic about life, or whatever, is not ok.
I think the Pollyanna syndrome is evenly distributed among all sexes. Ofc no citation any time soon 😉
Anyway, I find trans-humanism to be Pollyanna-ish in their, “gosh we really need to go on at all costs” mindset after understanding the suffering and precarious position of sentience.
I find misanthrope to be too ironic a term, so I don’t use it, and won’t call myself that. It’s the rare bird that doesn’t have the goal that we should do better (hence not a people hater), or their motivation for people-hate being let down by humanity not fixing something that hurt people. I suppose what I would consider a true misanthrope would be a bigot, like Rutee has pointed out here. Otherwise the term doesn’t ring true to me for other self described misanthropes that were basically just people that really wish people could get their act together.
Argenit: I can do repair sewing, and simple leatherwork, but construction sewing? Nope. I’d be looking like a highland scot, big hunks of cloth wrapped around me in a not quite formless manner.
cloudiah: We can talk. I took some library science in school, but my books are only roughly categorised. Librarians are heroes. Having books is nice, but being able to find them is what it’s all about.
As mylibrary science teacher told uss, “It’s not what you know, it’s what you know how to look up.” My copy editing instructor/mentor said, “It’s not what you know, it’s what you know you need to look up.”
From that, I have built a library; and read it.
pillowinhell: No, I have books. I also have friends who make my skills at things look as those of a mere dabbler. In some ways they are right. I am tolerable at most of those things (the only things I feel expert at are cooking, knife maintenance, information extraction from people; by means of interview and interrogation, teaching hands on skills, and killing things. I am journeyman at horses, farming, bonsai, machining metal. I am gifted apprentice at most of the rest)
And your foresight is somehow superior to that of science fiction writers because…?
Kafka and Johnny the Homicidal Maniac beat you to it and were less obnoxious about it too.
There was a troll named Johnny the Homicidal Maniac? This makes me sad. 🙁
Not surprised, though. 😛
I think Quackers was referring to Nyy himself, not a troll using his name.
Sorry, I mean Nny.
Oh thank goodness
I played in a Palladium Fantasy RP group for a while. The system was based on AD&D. My character was a knight, not just a fighter. One of the things he could do well, was paint.
Swim, not so much.
He got into so much trouble.
It is overeducated, or perhaps even better, MISEDUCATED women, who are all headed for spinsterhood and misery. Educating women on their life mission, how to bring love, beauty, and pleasure into the world, how to nurture (their) children and husband and grow a happy family, or how to cultivate and improve their domestic skills (cooking,sewing, nursing, etc) certainly doesn’t hurt them, and would indeed enrich the world in many ways.
“Educating” women in the ways of men, in problem-solving skills for work primarily outside the home, for spreading the delusion among impressionable young girls that an occasional super-IQ female mutant is somehow representative of women as a whole, and only so-called “oppression” and “discrimination” can “explain” why there aren’t more e.g. Marie Curies, Gracie Hoppers, Lise Meitners, and so on in the world, and promoting bitterness and envy betwen the two sexes in the name of a spurious “equality” is education that does nobody any good at all, least of all not women!
There is even room to make women literate to the extent where they can become charming and witty companions to the men in their lives, and skillful enough in the use of numbers to become perhaps excellent household managers, or of shapes and patterns to improve her interior design sills, to make some lucky family a beautiful home…
Education, of the right kind and amount, is wonderful for women. It is only the education best applied to men, and misapplied to little lady lovelies, where it becomes pernicious and destructive. Educating girls and women in the manner of, and for the porposes of, men, is useless and destructive,and results in the inevitable unhappiness and frustration of everybody concerned!
yknow dkm, the only one who sounds bitter here is you
everyone else is perfectly happy with women not being slaves
I like how DKM thinks that those women were all superhuman mutants, rather than just women who weren’t actually prevented from doing what they wanted to do. Hey, Mellertoad, me and my girlfriend are two women who aren’t submitting to any men in our lives! Froth in incoherent rage as we live out our lives!
“There is even room to make women literate to the extent where they can become charming and witty companions to the men in their lives, and skillful enough in the use of numbers to become perhaps excellent household managers, or of shapes and patterns to improve her interior design sills, to make some lucky family a beautiful home…”
And what if, crazy idea, we want to do things for ourselves and not just men? Because we do. And whining “be more like my dolls” won’t change that.
Today, I went swimming to a like with my mother, two kids and their mother. I had fun with all of them, taught them games and took care of the boy (who needs more attention because he’s both younger and midly autistic). In two month I’ll start my final year for my engineering diploma.
How is my life bitter?
Again, for the gazillionth time you ranted about evil women who don’t do what you want with their life on a website where you hate everybody and where nobody likes you*.
How are you not bitter?
*maybe Steele will want to be friend with you!
Meller, get a grip. Many many men want well educated, ambitious women because they value the intellect and training in their partners. Also, men with higher incomes expect that their wives will be able to contribute in a significant way towards the shared standard of living the couple will develop. Working class men want to marry women with strong skills for work outside the home to help meet the basic household bills, to provide a little extra in terms of comfort and as insurance that bills will be paid should he become unemployed.
Lower class women have always worked outside the home. Wealthier women also worked outside the home as volunteers and fundraisers for charity.
You’ve been reading too much of the Bronte sisters and ignoring the working women in their stories.
i cant remember is dkm still allowed on the spearhead or did they disavow him, too?
What is it with people assuming working women must be bitter?
And why is it that when people hear that one woman is bitter, all the rest of us must be too?
I guess that scores me one point over your knight — I can swim. And tend to just as good at getting out of trouble as getting into it *knocks on wood*
Yay, Meller has jumped the shark to the point where he now believes that all women start out as Madame Alexander dolls, only to be transformed by education into women. Which is of course terrible, because…when that happens they refuse to sit quietly on the shelf waiting for you to play with them any more?
You’re a sad, bitter, angry old man who plays with dolls because women don’t like you, Meller.
Poor Meller, even in a world where so many women aren’t better educated than his ideal he still seems to be unable to attract any.
No wonder he’s bitter.
Later in his life, Edmund Spencer went blind. This was a great disappointment to him because he could no longer compose poetry or engage in correspondence with his colleagues and friends.
But he found a solution! He had a number of daughters sitting around, looking pretty, doing nothing but waiting for some guy to come along so Spencer could sell him a daughter.
So in the meantime, Spencer put his daughters to a useful occupation. He taught them to spell and pronounce words in Latin so that he could continue his composing and his learned correspondence by dictating to them. What he didn’t do was teach them to understand those Latin words, so the content of the writings he dictated to them passed right over their heads.
What you are proposing, Mr. Meller, is educating women to the extent that they are useful to men, and no more. But your scheme bears the seeds of its own destruction. You want to allow women to be able to make witty conversation with men, and to that end allow them to become “somewhat” literate. Well, expose enough minds to the written word and I’m sure some would become insatiably curious, and not content to stay within the meagre bounds you prescribe, and that’ll be the end of your scheme.
Go play with your dolls again.
DKM: Educating girls and women in the manner of, and for the porposes of, men, is useless and destructive,and results in the inevitable unhappiness and frustration of everybody concerned!
And, in your view of the world, when women are so educated, it’s not surprising that the men murder them!
DKM, for those of you who have only recently begun to peruse Manboobz, believes that women are at fault for making men hit, or kill, them.
Actually, if he did have shit for brains, he’d probably be better off, critical thinking wise, than he is now.
My invariable quote for when he shows up: the comments that got him on moderation last time.
DKM:
You don’t get it, do you, DKM? The only “nonsense gibberish” is your maunderings about how if kittens (or presumably any other pets) or WOMEN don’t behave, they should be punished–and men who kill women are driven to it.
Your words. Live with them:
Wow, someone said slime earlier, and Mellertoad oozed up. Freaky.
And once again D.K. Meller is here to bitterly lament the fact that women are intelligent and well-informed enough to want nothing to do with a miserable sleazebag such as himself.
@Falconer: I think the blind poet using daughters was Milton (goes to google)! Does not seem to mention blindness in Spenser’s bio.