Oh, you ladies, why do you even bother getting educated – sorry, “educated?” Don’t you know that if you get too educated you might end up marrying some dude who is less educated than you, which is apparently contrary to the laws of nature? Or maybe you’ll end up not getting married at all? The horror.
On The Spearhead, guest poster Lyn87 explains how he dropped some “red pill” knowledge on a buddy of his during a recent outing:
One guy has teenage daughters that he’s planning to put through college. I could not resist inserting some red pill into the mix, so I mentioned that 60% of degrees were going to women, and that women prefer to marry up. Since “educated” women don’t often go for “uneducated” men, a lot of women of his daughter’s generation were on their way toward spinsterhood for lack of “suitable” mates.
So women with education are only “educated” in scare-quotes. But men who are “uneducated” also get the scare quotes, because presumably they are wise beyond their years of formal study.
Alas, Lyn87’s friend wasn’t convinced by this brilliant argument to reconsider his decision to put his daughters through college, which leads Lyn87 to consider the possibility that “that some malevolent group of “Jezebels” is dissolving blue pills into the supply of drinking water.” Lions and tigers and malevolent Jezebels, oh my!
Consider his daughters. I’m sure they are good kids who would make any parent proud. But they don’t live on an island – they live among their peers and within the confines of biological and demographic reality. Even if EVERY one of their male college classmates marries one of his female classmates, a third of those young women will not find a male age-peer who is even her “academic equal,” much less someone with a higher level of education. But not every male graduate will marry a female classmate. Some will marry down. Some will choose not marry at all. Then subtract out the guys who are “creepy,” gay, or otherwise unsuitable, and we are left with a generation of “educated” women who are barreling toward a demographic wall at high velocity.
So women marrying guys with less education, or deciding not to marry at all, is somehow the equivalent of careening into a brick wall at top speed?
Marry up? My buddy’s daughters will be lucky if they can marry “across.” Many women of that generation will face hard choices: supply and demand in the adult world doesn’t much care how “empowered” you were in college. The women of that generation may be able to marry down, but few will want to. They may not marry at all and become wards of the state when they bear bastard children. They may become involuntary childless spinsters. They may go for much older men, but many of them have been through the Family Court meat grinder and must devote much of their effort to paying their exes’ bills.
Or they could end up like a friend of mine, happily unmarried at the age of 40 and dating a dude in his twenties. Or like another friend of mine, also 40, in a happily open marriage with a man a few years her junior and with several regular partners on the side. Or in a committed lesbian relationship.
And why assume that any single woman older than, oh, 25 is “involuntarily childless?” Most of the women I hang out with don’t want kids. They really, really don’t.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Lyn87, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
We know the score here: the degrees these girls are getting cluster in the “Who are you trying to kid?” category. They are not truly superior to the guys of their generation, but that degree in “You Must Be Joking!” makes them think they are. Most emerge from college with a pile of debt, no marketable skills they didn’t already possess in high school, and a few laps around the carousel – older but no wiser, and blissfully unaware that half of their years of prime beauty and fertility are already in the rear-view mirror.
Ugh. This again? At the age of 22 or so, “half of their years of prime beauty and fertility” are gone? Really? Their biological clock starts ticking at the age of, what, 16?
So instead of going to college, girls should be getting hitched before they even graduate from high school, so as to maximize their prime years of beauty and fertility? Sorry to have to break this to you, Lyn87, but that’s a recipe for disaster — even by “traditionalist” standards. According to a 2001 study by the Centers for Disease Control, nearly half of those who marry before they’re 18 divorce within ten years; that’s twice the divorce rate of those who wait until they’re at least 25.
Lyn87, somehow I suspect your buddy with the teenage daughters is doing a better job of looking out for their best interests than you are.
Some, er, “highlights” from the comments.
Kendoka seconds Lyn87’s concerns:
I question the popular wisdom of fathers relinquishing custody and authority over their 18 year old daughters by putting them through an institution designed to indoctrinate and create entitled promiscuous feminist careerist harpies and not loving wives and mothers through marriage.
A Father’s work is not complete until he has guided his daughter directly into marriage with his authority transfered to her husband. “Careers” can wait. Family cannot.
DruidV shares his less-than-fond memories of life in the 1980s, and offers a note of optimism for the future (for dudes anyway):
Way back in prehistoric times, say around 1985, I used to find myself very depressed when I would take note of all the foolish and desperate males I knew, who were jumping through impossible hoops for fickle females that just would let the poor bastards continue to keep right on jumping through those hoops, apparently just for their own entertainment. These twats seemed to take an almost sociopathic delight in this ‘sport’. The males were simply trying to be accepted.
Pathetic, really.Nowadays, I look about and see that young males are sick, tired, disgusted and jaded with these soulless cunts. Make no mistake, the hoops are still there, firmly in place for the males to jump through, but they are seeing less and less traffic every day.
I for one can easily see the females of generation z growing old alone, but for their cats and dying that way too and from what I’ve seen, these bitches can forget about marrying up, or even across anymore. These asshole entitlement whores won’t even be marrying down, in the not too distant future.
YAY!!!
Keyster presents a similarly optimistic scenario for the future — if predicting the apocalypse counts as optimism, which it generally does in MRA circles:
We have a perfect storm brewing of women working, men not, and each one rejecting marriage. In case no one noticed the Feminists started the gender war, and they won. Present day we live with the spiraling consequences; societal decline. Upon the collapse women will be the victims, AGAIN. The survivors will be men with only their own self-interest in mind. The last remnants of white-knightery will struggle to protect and provide, but will be ill-equipped to handle the guilt of failing.
Days of Broken Arrows isn’t quite so dramatic. He merely predicts that the dad planning on sending his girls to college will end up regretting this decision:
[N]ow instead of his daughter someday marrying the guy she met at 18, he’d prefer [her] to be using every orifice when she’s a fucktoy for a line of Alpha males who’ll pump and dump her. And he means that he doesn’t want a son-in-law or grandchildren. Well, I guess that’s all well and good, so long as it’s not “the way it used to be.”
Huh. Do colleges even have classes any more, or is it just one long orgy? How do these Alpha males have any time to study?
What fucking century are you living in?
http://feministing.com/2012/06/26/sixty-percent-of-women-are-primary-breadwinner-but-still-doing-most-of-the-housework/
Yeah I know Blitzgal, here I was thinking that I was paying half the bills while living in relationships. Silly me.
Also, how many famlies are left that can afford to not have the woman of the house paying the bils?
Lol, wut?? She is the breadwinner, but he pays the bills? As in, she pays the bills, allright, but HE is the one who pays the bills! Jesus, Nameless, that’s one hell of a brain fart even for you.
It’s natural that a capitalist economy will go through boom and bust cycles, and that individual consumer choices contribute to this.
However, we’re talking about your statement, which was that men should be in charge of long-range planning. And the long range planning, by men from Clinton and Greenspan to the CEOs of major banks, was clearly the main reason that this recession is so much worse.
I don’t blame it on “men,” as a group. But it’s pretty much proof positive that just because people are men, doesn’t make them smart planners.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Stop, you’re killing me with your nonsense.
The myth that most families were nuclear units where the husband worked and the woman stayed home with the kids is just that — a myth. A large portion of women have worked throughout the history of this country. You can do more hand-waving and pretend that it’s not “real work” when women toiled alongside their husbands on family farms, worked in factories, served and cleaned up after wealthy people, and were literally slaves, but that doesn’t make it true. Poor women have always worked in this country.
Yeah, I’m sorry Omnom, but having a husband who pays me the rent like he earned the money (to show what a man he is) while its actually his wife that’s earning the money to pay the bills is a little sad.
Also, this:
is statistically untrue, either too high or too low, depending on how you look at it. About half the world’s wealth is helb by millionaires, and men are about 80% of millionaires. However, women do most of the world’s hours of work (http://www.globalfootprints.org/issue/women/).
So, if you count doing menial jobs as part of the economy, then women are actually more a part of it. If you count spending and moving money as being part of the world’s economy, then men are a bigger part.
oh god, is he actually arguing that private investors drive corporate policy?
And the fact that women who are primary bread-earners still end up doing the vast majority of domestic chores… nothing. He’s emphatic that if men are primary bread-winners the women must contribute at home! For the opposite? Not so loud.
Yeah, sometimes these folks just need reminding that The Flintstones was not, in fact, an animated docudrama.
Passive-aggressive smiley faces annoy me.
@ShadetheDruid
I know all I’ve been doing is derailing thus far, this is the last time I promise. But It’s really been bugging me, Why is your name ShadetheDruid, when your picture is clearly of a Rogue/Ranger archetype?
Ugh, great Joe summary but 2 spelling errors. It should say mu5lims and C1A. 😉
My theory: MSN gets around feeling bad for being a misogynist, because figures he is just trying to rile feminists with obvious misogynistic tropes and does not actually believe them to the extent that he’s claiming he does — though he doesn’t consider them entirely without merit. It’s never occurred to him that, if you’re deliberately hurting women with oppressive tropes for teh lulz, and you don’t give a damn what harm you cause them, you are necessarily a misogynist.
Derailing is always awesome, especially if I get to talk about RPGs and stuff. 😛
The character it’s based on (Shade) is a multiclassed Druid/Rogue. The bow is only a secondary weapon (his primary is a sword), but it just made for a better pose I guess. My friend made the avatar for me years ago.
@Cloudiah
Haha I wonder if Joe has ever considered that the NSA is probably more interested in people who use ridiculously predictable alternative spellings to “hide” from the government, than people who type the words like a normal person.
@ShadetheDruid
That’s actually pretty cool, I’m a bit of a n00b at RPGs, my experience is limited to a couple of Pathfinder sessions with friends over the past few months, in which I played a Dwarven gunslinger and a Human Spellslinger.
“Also, anyone who can do something that wouldn’t be out of place in an RPG (like fighting with olde timey weapons, or an olde timey craft/skill) is automatically awesome.”
I can sleep in an inn!
But OmNomNom is right! Men are inherently disorganized. OmNomNom knows this is true because he’s known some men with really messy dorm rooms. And I know it because my dad has all the organizational skill of a tornado. Seriously. My mom has to keep track of all his appointments for him. You can hardly walk from one end his office to the other because there are papers everywhere. He can hardly work in his office any more it’s such a mess. So he works at one of several tables in the law firms’ library
instead. There are only three or four tables there and they’re designed so that multiple people can work at a single table. My dad has taken up an entire table stacked a foot high with papers. (And a collection of plastic cups filled with water that he forgot to drink, but never gets around to throwing away.) He’s also terrible at budgeting his money when he goes shopping, as he’s incredibly impulsive and will binge on just about anything that catches his eye.
So OmNomNom both have anecdotes about disorganized men, so it must be true that men are inherently less organized than women.
Except, wait . . . I inherited/learned all my organizational skills (or lack thereof) from my dad. And I have the messiest dorm room I’ve ever seen. I’m even worse at organization than my dad is in some respects.
But I’m a woman. I’m not just a woman, but a feminine woman in a number of ways. I wear make-up. I like jewelry. I like the colors purple and pink. But I have no organizational or housekeeping skills. Oh noes! My vagina must be a lie!
@Viscaria: Yeah, the whole ‘hey, you have an unrepentant woman-hater here, smiley-face!’ was barf-inducing. It’s like, dude, come on! A little self-reflection here would be good…
@Leeloo: …we’re doomed. I spent all my character points on technology and related skills…
@Anathema wasn’t there a discussion a few days back about vagina being cake? And everyone knows the cake is a lie.
aworldanonymous: Awesome. 😀
I haven’t actually played anything since 3.5ed, so I ended up skipping past Pathfinder and onto redesigning 3.5ed for my own “3.75ed”. Only problem is, I tend to do bits and pieces at a time, so it’s still a half finished mess years after I started doing it. 😛
I do have some of the Pathfinder books though (as well as the ones for 3.0 and 3.5). I use them mostly for ideas.
@ShadetheDruid
Nice, Lately I’ve been trying to get my friends to try out Shadowrun for the last little while, only problem is none of them wanted to play as a Rigger or Hacker specified build. Which kind of unbalanced the party HEAVILY. Though, I suppose I’m just as at fault for not building my campaign around magic use.