Over on AskReddit, someone called 478nist has asked a question that has been puzzling a lot of us for some time: “Why is Reddit so anti-women? (outside of r/gonewild anyway).”
I used to think it was just because the large majority of users are men, but it’s not pro-men it’s becoming more and more anti-women.
Outside of the friendzoned crap, any comment that leans towards any kind of talk of womens issues, equal rights etc gets downvoted to hell so it’s not even capable of being discussed. It seems like it’s an US vs THEM mentality more and more. Was it always like this?
The thread that followed is nearly 2000 comments long, so far, and has gotten written up on TheAtlanticWire. The discussion is surprisingly … good? Not perfect — after all, this is Reddit we’re talking about here — but not terrible.
So naturally our friends in the Men’s Rights subreddit are complaining about it.
The legendary AnthonyZarat offers this thought:
MauraLoona, meanwhile, challenges the premise of 478nist’s question, and thereby challenges reality itself:
Legitimateusername also has a problem with Reddit’s alleged surplus of manginas.
Fuckrpolitics_again just goes with some plain old-fashioned misogyny:
The Men’s Rights subreddit, such a reliable generator of self-righteous poop.
Apex fallacy! Most tomatoes aren’t powerful. For every tomato that is the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, you have millions of tomatoes are just ground up and made into tomato paste. TOMATO PASTE IS MISANDRY!
Meanwhile, everyone knows all potatoes need to do is cry in the street and someone will rush over with sour cream and bacon bits.
@cliff –
You need to familiarise yourself with statistics on the division by sex (in the West) of:
– Warzone deaths
– Other workplace deaths
– Suicide
– Homelessness
– Likelihood of being a victim of violence up to and including murder
– Likelihood of being imprisoned
– Difference in length of sentences as applied for the same crime
– Spending on healthcare and welfare
– Educational outcomes
In all the categories: weak, poor, young, old, ill, or homeless – women in the West are statistically less likely to be on the shit end of the stick than men, and in the less likely event that they do find themselves on the shit end of the stick will find far more support / resources /networks available to them on both a personal and bureaucratice basis than men caught in the same situation.
Of course NWO might stomp on and thus rage-splat the potato before adding the bacon bits, but hey, he’ll still eat it.
Meanwhile, the vast majority of potatoes are given froofy dresses and middle-class homes in the suburbs, and yet cannot bring themselves to even acknowledge the sacrifices of Tomatoes for their lifestyles.
For further reading, see The Myth of lycopersicum Power by Roy G. Biv.
“bureaucratic” (currrsesessss)
Potatoes should be mashed in the streets!
If potatoes had any sympathy for the plight of the tomato they would violently throw themselves at each other in the street.
(Since they don’t have hands to punch with.)
Hey FirstJoe, can you (a) define “the West” and (b) explain why only people living in the West matter? Because my understanding is non-Western people are humans too and should factor into any discussions — otherwise, you know, apex fallacy… (Which is not really a thing that exists, but whatever.)
Also the reason that potatoes don’t have hands is that they’re lazy. If they cared about justice they would have evolved super-hands by now.
And how many of those have fuck-all to do with feminism?
Yeah, it’s feminists enrolling men in the Dworkin Army so they can mine coal from the Steinem Pit. Every feminist here has been screaming that we’d love for women to have an equal shot at fighting in combat positions and working in dangerous jobs.
Suicide, violence, and imprisonment are highly linked to our ultra-violent social view of masculinity, which again, something feminism’s fighting.
Spending on women’s welfare is mostly actually spending on children’s welfare. The fact that more women are primary caregivers for children than men–not something feminism is a big fan of.
I’d argue that the “educational outcomes” one isn’t even a problem at all. More men than women are able to get good jobs in the trades that don’t require a college education–lucky them! They’re a lot better off than women who rack up student debt and then end up with a lower income anyway.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/four-members-of-traveller-family-convicted-in-slaves-trial-7936127.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-23/slaves-put-squid-on-u-s-dining-tables-from-south-pacific-catch.html
“…The conditions suffered by 2000 mainly Indonesian men on 27 vessels were judged “appalling”, with gruesome accounts of extreme physical violence and verbal abuse….”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/modern-slavery-on-korean-fishing-boats/story-e6frg6so-1226113886388
A few years back in the UK
“….A total of 21 bodies, of men and women between the ages of 18 and 45, were recovered from the bay after the incident. Two of the victims were women, the vast majority were young men in their 20s and 30s, with only two being over 40 and only one, a male, under 20.[3]…”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Morecambe_Bay_cockling_disaster
Gah, you’re all so fixated on potato this and tomato that you fail to see the real issue: peas! They steal jobs from hard working tomatos, buddy up with potatos to make the lives of tomatos harder, only to exploit the potatos for their own gain! And there’s so many of them.
Peaginas.
Genus traitors.
And then there are the tomatoes who prefer the company of other tomatoes, if you know what I mean. Vile, they are.
Too bad Steele left; I was hoping for more vegetable analogies. WHAT ABOUT THE BEETZ?!!?!!?!
I guess he couldn’t take the heat. 😉
Hey, tomatoes are actually fruits! How dare you call them vegetables, you vile m-feminist?
“Bad things happen to members of this class, ever” ≠ “This is the oppressed class and the other one must be the privileged class.”
Someone thinks they know better than the United States Supreme Court.
@ First Joe:
I’m perfectly willing to accept that there are a few areas in Western society (although I’m not sure why only the West matters here) where men have it off worse than women. Mind you, those situations are few and far between. They are also often the result of the devaluing of women as a whole. For instance, to steal a favorite hobby horse of the MRAs, when the draft still existed in America, women were not subject to it. To this day, many countries don’t allow women soldiers into combat. As this means that men are more likely to be sent into combat where they risk injury and death, it could be said that this disadvantages men. But the underlying reasons for allowing only men into combat are ultimately misogynistic. Women aren’t seen as capable of handling combat.
Society’s undervaluing of women hurts men too. And you know who it is that wants to fix this? Feminists.
I’m British. What does your Supreme Court have to do with me?
@cloudiah – because I know much better what goes on in the Western world vs. other parts of the world re. statistics involved. Knowing how everyone here LOVES to jump on any error no matter how nit-picking, I specified a limited socio / economic / geographic region (also I am aware that e.g. in India some of the DDD jobs are done by women – I’ve seen pics of lower caste women in saris weilding pickaxes for instance).
No, I won’t define “the West” for you. What do you live under a rock??
@whoever and whoever – Hahaha! Awesome piece of hypocrisy there! When women had poor educational outcomes c.f. men (40/60 graduating college) it was held to be a disaster and something had to be done! Something was done and now the ratio has flipped (60/40) and men are on the shit end – but according to you that’s A-OK because: “trades”.
Bollocks!
Men would be fools to wait for feminism to free us from systemic problems…
(and I dispute that feminists in general have ever or will ever take any such action, see e.g. your hypocrisy above!).
Systemic problems that are nothing to do with “patriarchy” per se …
(which is about having a man as “head of a family” and is therefore pretty much already extinct in the West, where men are increasingly pushed out of “family” altogether and Government is the new Daddy)
….and everything to do with HIERARCHY and how that hierarchy assigns a kind of guaranteed floor-of-value to women, whereas men are much more likely to fall into the glass cellar. Here’s the hierarchy of which I speak:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jul/21/global-elite-tax-offshore-economy
Annoyingly I can’t instantly lay hands on the ?taxchange.org? I think page that had a great link to a .pdf where the % of who owns the world’s wealth was broken down, but suffice to say, we are the 99.999%
I thought tomato was a derogatory term for women? Which means that Steele cannot even get his comparisons right.