Over on AskReddit, someone called 478nist has asked a question that has been puzzling a lot of us for some time: “Why is Reddit so anti-women? (outside of r/gonewild anyway).”
I used to think it was just because the large majority of users are men, but it’s not pro-men it’s becoming more and more anti-women.
Outside of the friendzoned crap, any comment that leans towards any kind of talk of womens issues, equal rights etc gets downvoted to hell so it’s not even capable of being discussed. It seems like it’s an US vs THEM mentality more and more. Was it always like this?
The thread that followed is nearly 2000 comments long, so far, and has gotten written up on TheAtlanticWire. The discussion is surprisingly … good? Not perfect — after all, this is Reddit we’re talking about here — but not terrible.
So naturally our friends in the Men’s Rights subreddit are complaining about it.
The legendary AnthonyZarat offers this thought:
MauraLoona, meanwhile, challenges the premise of 478nist’s question, and thereby challenges reality itself:
Legitimateusername also has a problem with Reddit’s alleged surplus of manginas.
Fuckrpolitics_again just goes with some plain old-fashioned misogyny:
The Men’s Rights subreddit, such a reliable generator of self-righteous poop.
Give him a break, guise: he can’t decide if his trophy thread says men should pay for womens’ livelihoods or if the two people in that thread who said anything about it merely expect or insist that men pay for their dinners.
I’m guessing the kind of person who says “cash reserves” is way into military history, though.
it’s funny how in the end all of mikey’s complaints turn out to be less ‘this is a serious’ problem and more ‘this may not be that big of a problem, but the real issue is that im not being allowed to have a big enough snit about it’
“demand access to my cash reserves”
I don’t know whether to call this wording pretentious or what the hell. Pseudolibertarian crap maybe? I dunno, but I laughed coffee all over my computer. Dude, seriously, while I think EXPECTING another person to pay for a date without discussing it first is a litter presumptuous/impolite but totally not “demanding all your money” like you make it out to be. So not worth throwing a fit over as many others have pointed out.
Seriously, if I like someone I’m more than happy to pay the few bucks for a first date meal/coffee/drinks, really. If you’re that much of a miser that you value your hard earn cash or potentially making someone else happy and having a good night out, fine whatever, it’s your life, but don’t expect everyone to agree with you. Personally, like $20 to make someone smile and have a good time is like nothing to me. Some things are just worth more to me than petty cash. (Ok, I wrote this and realize some others have a harder time getting $20 to spend but I think the concept still applies.)
ok ignore the autocorrect fails, please… good gods…
Is he still going on with the “subsidizing” of womens food intake?
And, other than the straw feminist in your head, who the hell is saying that women are entitled to helping themselves to your money?
Anyone know when the next shipment of Manboobz Trolls(tm) is coming in? At the minute there’s two different trolls on two different posts arguing similarly inane “men are expected to do X” arguments (although, from two different angles), and blaming it on feminism.
And they’re both tedious.
pillowinhell — yeah, he is, he’s also taking such things as “if you do the asking, you should probably pay” to mean “entitled to his ‘cash reserves'”.
As for who says “cash reserves” — bankers? (Actually, Steele/Varpole would make a lot more sense if he was born into wealth and is honestly clueless how life works for everyone else)
Yes, these trolls are very tedious. Where have all the good trolls gone?
Tennessee.
So I just got an idea, why don’t we make a bingo game out of steele posts, he’s become too predictable for even drinking games to handle.
I placed a troll in Tennessee,
And tedious it was, upon a hill.
It made the slovenly wilderness
Argue with that hill.
The wilderness rose up to it,
And sprawled around, no longer calm.
The troll was lame upon the thread
And tall and of a port in air.
It took exaggerated offense every where.
The troll was simple, its language spare.
It did not give of bird or bush,
Like nothing else in Tennessee.
All the good trolls have been friendzoned.
LOL @ Tulgey
That was awesome. 😀
Steele, your statement, “By the way, Ella makes about as much as me. We don’t really get into it, because I agree, in and of itself it’s not that much money. And if she was poor, I might be paying more often; and vice versa. But that would be our choice based on the individual situation. And it has nothing to do with gender.” Is a feminist position, it is what the feminists here are arguing in favor of. It is the way that I behave while eating out with romantic partners. I have been in relationships where I am the wealthier partner and ones where I have been the poorer partner. Following up a profession of feminist values with the phrase, ” Rank, disgusting feminists” makes no sense, unless you meant to disavow the preceding paragraph.
Wallace Stevens is the bestest.
Okay then, you have a relationship that works for you so why are you still whining about those two dates from a long time ago? Get over it.
Just because you’ve never needed help before, does not mean you won’t in the future. Life can throw some curve balls, and you never know when you too will need a handout. You’re not better than anyone else.
It’s probably just another way for steeltroll to say VILE MISANDRIST, DISGUSTING!!!!11!
Well I think you did your dates a huge favor. If you’re going to get all pissy about paying a bill even though you’re a successful professional, then who knows how you would handle real stress and real problems.
It’s convenient for you that you define away the existence of older women and moms. It’s easy for you to complain that women don’t make enough money that way. You sure as heck aren’t demanding that more men spend more time caring for small children and elderly relatives so that more women can spend more time working outside the home.
The problem is you’re on here still whining about it.
Steele may not have enough phrases to play bingo, but some ideas —
– vile
– disgusting
– m-feminist
– “Excuse me?”
– claims to be slandered by a subjective assessment
– MISANDRY!! (that should maybe be the free space)
– shifts the goalposts // unable to decide what terms to use
– 100+ comments going in circles
You need 24 squares for a bingo board, I’ve got 8~
How’d I miss “there is no wage gap”?
So someone says something along these lines:
“Although MRAs blame feminism for the idea that men should pay for everything in a relationship, this idea isn’t a feminist idea at all. But I can still understand having the partner that makes more money paying a bit more. And a lot of the times, thanks to the wage gap, it’s going to be a guy who ends up paying a bit more. But in an ideal world, men and women would make and spend equal amounts of money.”
And Steele hears:
“Men must always pick up the bill when they go out on a date. ALWAYS! All men must subsidize women’s livelihoods. Paying equally is evil. We must steal men’s cash reserves for our own personal goals. YAY MISANDRY!!!11!!”
Oh, Steele, I am forever impressed by your inability to read for comprehension.
@Tulgey: Feminism: Misandry of Might and Magic!
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! *bows low in worshipful respect*
Especially since besides the alliteration I LOVE ALLITERATION, I’m getting a strong HP vibe!
I wantz a tee-shirt!
Steele reminds me of that story (googled but not finding it!) about the guy who kept a spreadsheet of all the money he spent on his girlfriend, then demanded reimbursement when they broke up (dinners presents etc.)
I can SO see him doing that.
This is my rendition of what Varpole sounds like to me.
Steele claims to have never taken a handout
I suspect like most middle-class people, oh dashing young urban professional that he is, he thinks middle-class entitlements are somehow different than ‘welfare’.
He’s benefitted from government assistance in lots of ways, I’m prepared to wager.
I’m a bit curious about the line of reason that lead Steele to refer to the cost of an occasional dinner date as someone’s “livelihood”.
The MRM has bingo. (As does Ruby, I think)