JohnTheOther, blabby videoblogger and Number Two at A Voice for Men, has now weighed in with his own, slightly tardy, manifesto on the Aurora shooting and the evils of supposed male “disposability.” I didn’t read the whole thing – seriously, dude, OMIT NEEDLESS WORDS – but a few things stood out when I skimmed it. For example, this lovely passage, which seems to be a longer and fouler version of that ill-advised tweet from the Wall Street Journal’s James Taranto that I mentioned in my last post.
Our mainstream, which is to say, our corporate media – that which bends and fawns for access to the corrupt elected officials and modern robber barons of corporate statehood – is telling you, young man, that in order to be worthwhile, a real man, you’d better be prepared to die without complaint for the child, or the little old lady, or the drug addled slut in the next seat.
But Mr. TheOther is having none of it:
The instinct – expressing itself variously as chivalry or as fatal self sacrifice — is just one more that no longer has any discernable benefit. It is an encumbrance to any real pursuit of a civilized society in which one class of humans is not legally and socially elevated over another.
Sorry, kids; sorry, old ladies; sorry “drug addled sluts” — you’re on your own. Apparently, in a truly civilized society, no one ever looks out for anyone else. Altruism is for barbarians and Bill Bennett!
Here’s JtO’s stirring conclusion:
Those three men are not heroes, they’re just dead. The calculus of death, where one life is traded in celebration for another by preference of a vagina, is pathological and regressive. It must be recognized as the sickness it is. Those who lionized these men, whose fatal and unexamined instinct led to self-destruction; those who held them up as a heroic example to follow, are cordially invited to go first — or to go fuck themselves.
Charming as always, Mr. TheOther.
In the discussion of Mr. TheOther’s post in the Men’s Rights Subreddit, AVFM’s Paul Elam expands on the whole they aren’t heroes” theme, arguing that we need to retroactively strip away the hero status of the three men who died protecting their girlfriends — because they died protecting women.
Why is he still trying?
@ aworldanonymous
Owly used to show a complete disregard for the concept of “looking things up” and seemed to think it was elitest and/or stupid (he’s never been particularly coherent). He hasn’t been showing that side as much lately, though its certainly subtext.
And also, where does he come up with this stuff, I’ve always wondered if there’s some kind of conspiracy network, where someone convinces these people of things.
the list of things owlslave has been found to enjoy is in descending order
-insulting women on the internet
-taking care of his nieces and nephews
-star wars
the middle one he has to be weird about because it’s coded feminine and owlslave believes its literally a sin to go against his ideas of rigid gender coding, and sadly, there is a finite amount of star wars in the universe, sooo…. internet.
this isnt quite true. what he actually believes is that the only acceptable place to look shit up is a 19th century encyclopedia britannica, and if its not in there its not worth knowing
http://www.infowars.com/
http://www.wnd.com/
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/
etc.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/
Or anyone he thinks is a woman. I came in for a “princess” put-down a bit upwards in the thread.
@ Sharculese
I must have missed that, but then again, there’s his incoherence.
NWOslave seems to like the word ‘princess’. It keeps cropping up in his foaming.
Eventually, he’ll froth in a full circle and come back around to puff-addering at filthy Jewesses.
For serious. Most times he rages about the Rockefellers, the “Rothchilds,” the Trilateral Commission, the Federal Reserve, and international bankers, all of which are or have been dogwhistle terms for Jews, but occasionally the mask will not so much slip as fall right off and he’ll start trying to gum Cliff’s ankles.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Slavey interact with the Israeli fascist* who comes around every so often.
*Some people just learn entirely the wrong lesson.
That’s because we’re all pampered princesses (even the manginas) wearing silky lingerie and refusing to give up our seats on the bus to tired male manual laborers. Because no women do any real work. (Why are those princesses taking public transportation? That is a question that has not been answered to my satisfaction.)
Actually I’d rather talk to Mary. At least she’s new and we haven’t heard everything she has to say eleventy billion times before, like we have with Slavey.
Mary, why are you being so indirect? If you want to restate something that an MRA has said because you kind of agree with it, say so. This kind of sneaky attempted plausible deniability thing that you’re doing will just cause people to not take you seriously, which isn’t good if at some point you have a serious point that you’d like to make. Nobody likes disingenuousness.
On a different note, “drug addled slut”? Is JtO under the impression that every single woman in America is a junkie? The most charitable interpretation of that statement that I can come up with is that by “drug addled slut” he means “woman who is taking birth control pills”, and even then, not all women are taking them, and he has no evidence that any of the woman whose boyfriends saved them were doing so.
Maybe the princesses are taking public transport because of budget cuts? I mean, 3 billion state coaches are expensive and that money could be better spent elsewhere.
probably?
I’ll field that one.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/14713-eliminating-passive-aggressiveness/#JUMP3
I just got a memoir in the mail for review. It’s by a former chauffeur to the Saudi royal family. Perhaps he’ll reveal why princesses are taking public transportation.
/silly
/but seriously I did get the book
/it comes out in October
Well I kind of figured infowars and stormfront, a lot of his shtick has Alex Jones written on it in huge metaphorical capital letters.
But don’t we all have men to chauffeur us around? I thought that was part of the MALE OPPRESSION OMG
Well, I mostly get the thing about protecting kids, even though I don’t have any and probably won’t. And one’s lover/spouse/partner/etc., to a point, though the sentiment of “I’d rather be the one who was hurt or killed than you” seems rather selfish if the other person never had any input in this. (Though I do sort of get how that might *feel* selfless to the person doing it.) But I don’t get the sentiment of “protect the disabled and elderly” that some people seem to be expressing. I mean, yes, make their lives easier in general, help them out of danger if the risk to oneself is not too high, but why sacrifice oneself under such circumstances? Grandma might drop dead of a heart attack next week. People who are disabled enough that it interferes with their chance of escaping generally don’t contribute as much to society (yes, I know, they might be the next Stephen Hawking, but how likely is that?) and under some circumstances, heroically attempting to rescue them greatly increases the odds that two people will die instead of one. I mean, not hating on either of those groups, just not understanding why those people are worth *more* than a younger or more able-bodied person.
I mean, not hating on either of those groups, just not understanding why those people are worth *more* than a younger or more able-bodied person.
It’s not about them being “worth more”, it’s about them being less able or even unable to avoid bad things in a bad situation, especially if they already need help to do basic everyday things.
The instinct to try to save others has nothing to do with who’s worth more (a fact that might help MRAs to calm down about the Aurora heroes, if they understood it). It’s more to do with perceptions of vulnerability and a person’s ability to save themselves. If I see an elderly person looking like they’re about to trip/fall on the bus, I rush over and try to catch them, not because I think they’re more worthy than I am, but because a fall can seriously injure an elderly person and their ability to catch and right themselves without falling is not as good as a young person’s is. Same with people who are visibly disabled – in a disaster decent people stop and try to help them because their ability to escape is not as high as an able-bodied person’s would be.
Where does this idea that it’s about deference and a ranking of some people above others come from? If anything the underlying principle is more “the strong must save the weak, because they’re strong”, which is about as far from “save this person because they’re worth more than you are” as you can get, given how most societies view people who they consider weak.
Observe the gospel of Owly.
“Blessed be woman, who knows the thoughts of others. Thou art goddess.”
“Personally, I don’t think any of you actually believe it. I think everyone of you want’s to believe it.”
“Blessed be woman. For only truth falls from her lips. The gift of her wisdom and morals is truth. Pray to the goddess within all women. Amen.”
When a woman believes that she knows what he’s thinking, she’s a delusional liar who must be stopped. When he believes that he knows what a woman is thinking, he is of course correct, and it’s silly to suggest otherwise.
And also, when you’re in a situation like a crowded theater and someone is shooting at you, I doubt very much that there’s any calculation going on as to who “deserves” to be saved. I’m sure it’s gut-level reacting that’s happening, not any kind of reasoning; my instinct in that situation would be to save my partner, not because he’s more “worthy” than I am, but simply because I love him.
@Deranged Counter-Troll – As someone with a disability: Fuck you. Most people with disabilities do pretty damn well at contributing to society, they hold jobs, raise families, and all the other things people who contribute to society do. One of the best professors I had in college was deaf, my uncle is developmentally disabled and while he can’t “contribute” in the way most can he brings a great deal of joy to everyone who knows him and his infectious good humor, the person who taught me the most about computers was in a wheelchair due to MS. All of these people are deserving of life and being protected even if you don’t see they have worth.