Fresh from the Men’s Rights subreddit, some thoughts from some dude called atiwywr on cougars, age of consent laws, and Justin Beiber.
So “cougars” are perverse, but pedophilia – sorry, ephebophilia — is natural and good?
The age of consent in most American states is 16.
Complaining that men can’t legally have sex with girls – sorry, “fertile women” – aged 15 and younger: Men’s Rights activism at its finest!
Isn’t evopsych responsible for (paraphrase) “kinky sex because rats”?
whataboutthemoonz, was that Calhoun’s rat experiments? I don’t know much about that, except from what I read on cracked.com and Wikipedia, but at least he did real experiments. Lazily deciding that that means that humans are kinky because there’s 7 billion of us would be right in line with ev psych, though.
No one is celebrating older women looking at pictures of a 14 year old Justin Beiber. In fact, I’ve never heard of older women doing that.
And agreed, just because a female is fertile, it doesn’t mean her body is ready to handle pregnancy, or that she’s emotionally ready for child rearing. I feel so sorry for all the girls throughout human history who died in childbirth because some pigs wanted them before they were finished growing. I’m sure it still happens today in some Muslim countries. Marriage, sanctioned by God, even if the girl is 13. It’s sickening!
Yes, 13-year-old girls never get pregnant in the West, and even if they do, it’s Not As Bad(TM) because they’re not married, plus ew! Muslims!
First, add islamaphobia to Ruby’s growing list of prejudices; you might want to try reading scarlettpipistrelle’s links about FLDS. Second —
“No one is celebrating older women looking at pictures of a 14 year old Justin Beiber. In fact, I’ve never heard of older women doing that.”
Who the fuck cares as long as we’re discussing pictures that met publishing standards? “Looking at pictures of” could be as innocent as flipping through one’s daughter’s magazine or something FFS.
Okay, David, I’ll promise to spam you when I see this stuff! 🙂
Yeah!! Did you hear about that Muslim sect in Utah!! FLDS or something.
*shakes fist at Argenti* 😀
Shadow — I’m an androgynous ninja, no shame in getting ninja’ed by a ninja 🙂
Aaahhh, but I’m the Nightcrawler, so it’s a point of honour!! 😀
…iirc X-men properly, Nightcrawler can basically plane shift? Haku does similar using ice…that’d be on interesting fight.
BigKitty : Human sexuality stopped being exclusively about “fertility” at around the same time humans developed such effete liberal characteristics as “language” and “agriculture.”
I’m going to point out that these two events are not at all close to each other in time.
The disconnect between fertility and sex came we don’t know when… probably about the time we stopped having estrus.
There are a lot of theories as to why that happened. As a bit of a free-thinking person I tend to favor the “aquatic theory”.
I’m a mermaid.
I’m a capsuleer…
My favorite theory about losing estrus revolves around the “humans are secretly bonobos” idea. Alas, I doubt we’re quite that omnisexual as a species, although you never know.
im pretty much on the record of not being a fan of gramp, but i think in this case ‘girls/women’ was a poorly worded attempt to describe young women on the cusp of adulthood, not a blanket condemnation of dating
This really shows how the MRAs thought process works, doesn’t it? Ignoring the fact that the scenario they’re envisioning is mostly bullshit (I say mostly because I’m sure there’s some creepy women out there who are going after children) they don’t want to stop it, they want to do it too.
“What those women are doing is evil and disgusting and its unfair that WE don’t get to do it too!”
Hoe dare men find women over the age of 15 sexy, let alone those over (ahem!) 40. The horror!
it happens in non muslim countries, too dummy.
You’re absolutely right about agriculture and language happening very far apart; however, I do believe it is well-accepted that our hominid ancestors stopped having estrus WAY before “hominids” became “homo sapiens.”
“[T]hey don’t want to stop it, they want to do it too.”
I feel like this is basically every problem in the MRM.
The “when did humans lose estrus” thing is the kind of situation that gives biologists looking at phylogenetic trees (basically family trees for species) headaches, because it could go one of two ways: one, our common ancestor with chimps and bonobos had already lost estrus, and chimps gained it back sometime after the split from bonobos, or two, humans and bonobos separately lost estrus. I think looking at the genes controlling estrus, which we don’t know what they are, would be the way to solve this.
(For reference: if we’re using the metaphor of a family, bonobos and chimps are siblings, humans are cousins to both, and gorillas are second or third cousins to the three species.)
So when do they think a woman becomes a “cougar” anyway? I’ve seen some corners of teh intarwebs where people seem to think it’s at about 30, and most 30-year-olds have a decade or two of fertility left in them.
Also, the 21-year-old thing being a full adult seems to be due to the fact that many states don’t allow full adult rights until that age, though mostly this is about drinking. (Only mostly, though. For example, barring certain exceptions, you can’t marry in Mississippi unless you’re at least 21.) Even so, I don’t think there’s anywhere in the US where people don’t get nearly of the adult rights – and certainly all of the ones absolutely necessary to function as an adult – by age 18.
You guys sure like to read more into my posts than what’s in them.
Over 600 laws in the Old Testament, yet not one to protect 13 year old girls from being forced into early marriage and childbirth. So put me down as an anti-semite for that statement? And if I bring up Warren Jeffs, does that mean I hate Mormons? Hven forbid I mention that early marriage is a problem in Islam. Mohammad did marry a 9 year old, did he not?
WAAAAAAAH. we accurately point out the subtext in your dumb bullshit. WAAAAAAH.
stop whining about the fact that people see through you.