Men’s Rights Redditor: “The cougar phenomenon is perverse. Yet we criminalize sex with fertile women who haven’t passed some arbitrary age limit.”

Yeah, yeah, anyone who doesn’t conform to leftist beliefs are idiots. I get it.

You really have no idea how childish you look, do you? No counterpoint, no argument, just “Waaah!!! You all haaaate meeee!” Pathetic.

Whenever Ruby talks about “women” or “woman,” I’m just gonna mentally replace those with “traditional women” or “traditional woman.” At least then I can pretend she’s talking about only a certain stereotype rather than lumping all women everywhere together. It’s a bit easier on the brain.

Alternatively, you could just replace “women” or “woman” with “Ruby”. I think that cuts right to the heart of the matter.

Ruby:

I’m sorry the idea of women wanting men to be providers and protectors is so offensive to leftist feminists. I think I’ll go back to ignoring you.

What’s offensive is that you say that all women are like that, even after several people have told you that they’re not. You’re dismissing other people’s experiences because of your dogmatic beliefs.

Generally speaking, we women want our men to be protectors and providers.

For all the Left’s talk of tollerance[sic], many of them aren’t tollerant[sic again] when in comes to opposing opinions. I’m sorry the idea of women wanting men to be providers and protectors is so offensive to leftist feminists.

Fuck that noise. When you start opining on how entire sections of the population act, you are no longer expressing an opinion. You are making a factual claim. A factual claim that is wrong. This shit annoys the hell out of me.

Furthermore, tolerance has nothing to do with not criticizing things. As I recall, tolerance was actually a rather shitty word for not being racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. No, you don’t “tolerate” those who are different than you, as if they’ll go away soon and not bother you any more; that’s basically a privilaged group’s mentality of dealing with all those dirty outsiders.

And how exactly can you criticize The Left™ while in the same breath declaring yourself a social liberal and a feminist? I understand these aren’t contradictory… but they’re only non-contradictory in the sense that Sarah Palin is a feminst.

Ruby, if women don’t like looking at naked men, how do you explain the fact that human penises are much larger, relative to body size, than the penises of other great apes?

Addendum, before our resident PUA chimes in with “see, it works! go buy your ridiculous hat today!” – this only works if you’re at least somewhat good looking to start with, and it’s the combination of good looking + flashy that really works. And it takes a certain personality to pull it off.

*dunce*

“And it takes a certain personality to pull it off.”

Yeah, that’d be called “confidence” which works well without ridiculous hats.

I am curious Ruby’s thoughts on people’s preferences though, I’m still waiting for an answer how it is artists get dates.

@ Argenti

Oh yeah, taste too, if you want the effect to be “flashy” rather than “clownish”. There’s one unfortunate music video that I remember where everyone seemed to be competing to be the flashiest one of all, and for some reason one of the guitar players decided that the way to win this war was to wear a large dead rodent on his head. Oh honey, no.

The thing with Ruby is that she doesn’t seem to recognize the fact that preferences exist. I’m not entirely sure that she’s noticed that subcultures exist, actually.

Ruby, I’m just going to repost my comment from last night, explaining why your worldview is so very, very wrong (ps, Quackers, sorry, I got tired and went to bed!):

Ruby. Women are not “programmed” to find men of means. Women aren’t “programmed” to do jack shit, because we are humans and not computers, but we are especially not “programmed” to do that, because you are assuming things that are very, very wrong.

Amazingly enough, the Pleistocene, and hunter-gatherer lives in general, do not much resemble 1950′s middle America. Humans don’t actually usually live in nuclear families; this is a very recent development. Humans usually live in extended kin networks or with friends and family – there’s a recent article that says that most modern hunter-gatherer couples are considered to be related to about half of the other people in their band. They didn’t say who made up the rest, but I’m guessing it was just people they knew and got along with reasonably well.

People in these larger groupings tend to take care of each other, including sharing out food and other resources. A mother does often get food from her husband, but she can expect to get help from grandma and auntie and her best bud, too, if she needs it. Really, if we’re going by brute economics here, women, if they hang out with a few other women, don’t need men at all. So, no, women aren’t evolutionarily programmed to want the rich guy, because their baby-daddy is not the only adult they can count on. People in small-scale societies do tend to want the hardest workers for their spouse, but that’s true of men and women.

What amuses me about follies like, “men don’t look good naked” is that until very recently the reverse was the considered opinion. Greek art… all about the naked men.

Much of that had to do with the acceptance and pervasiveness of homosexuality in ancient greek culture. And before you pull a strawman and accuse me of being homophobic, such a fact is not a bad thing at all. However, most naked men look nothing like those men depicted in ancient greek and roman statues.

The female form overall, is much more aesthetic than the male form. Even straight women with no desire to sleep with other women(evar) can appreciate it. Women are the prettier sex. If you don’t like that, then maybe you can be born a bird in your next life.

“However, most naked men look nothing like those men depicted in ancient greek and roman statues. ”

And most women look nothing like women in magazines, movies and porn. Hell, even most conventional very beautiful women don’t look like their pictures once you remove the make-up, the lighting and the photoshoping. So what?

And why should we take the opinion of a straight guy over those of people with pants feeling for men on the matter of the sexyness of naked ùen? Mansplaining at its best.

For the record, the discussion wasn’t even “who’s the prettiest naked” but “do men look good naked”.

And speaking of gay men, are you really sure every man would agree with “Women are the prettier sex”?

So basically Nomlette, your argument is that even though the ancient Greeks did in fact hold up the nude male form as their aesthetic ideal, they were wrong because teh gay.

I dunno if that’s homophobic as such, but it is ridiculously heterocentric, as well as being painfully stupid.