It’s amazing how daintily some manosphere dudes dance around the word “misogyny.”After spewing forth venomous woman-hating filth in post after post, they turn around and equally vociferously deny that they are in any way misogynistic – after all, they can think of three or four women in their life they don’t actively hate.
It’s strange. Men whose entire political and social philosophy is based on the hatred of women aren’t willing to say this out loud.
Over on Hawaiian Libertarian, a blog with some influence within the marginal universe of the manosphere, Keoni Galt is a bit more honest: he is proudly and openly misogynist. Not only that, but he’s convinced that others in the manosphere need to fully accept misogyny into their shrunken little hearts. And he’s written a little manifesto about it:
Misogyny is the key to male liberation from blue pill delusions. Only by embracing it, can men adopt a new paradigm in which the female of the human species has forever been knocked off of the pedestal that had been erected in our minds by institutionalized brainwashing and mass media programming.
Galt starts out with a fairly standard-issue manosphere confessional. Turns out that before he saw the light – sorry, took the red pill — he was a poor female-besotted white-knight mangina like most of the unlucky males of this world:
Back in the blue pill days, I was enchanted and mesmerized by the female gender as a whole. Tell-a-Vision and a childhood steeped in Churchianity had me forever looking at the female gender as the only bright light in a world of shit. I was indoctrinated into becoming a worshiper at the feet of the pedestal of the “sacred feminine.”
The last thing I ever wanted to become, was a misogynist. No, I bought into the delusion that the key to being accepted and gain the approval of the female herd was to become the vaunted WhiteKnight-EmotionalTampon- InTouchWithMyFeelings- LJBF-NICE GUY.
Oh dear, we have to listen to the sad, boring tale of the Nice Guy once again.
All a woman…ANY woman (not just young, attractive ones)…had to do when I was younger, was smile at me or give me a pathetic pleading look, or a nice sounding request and I was ready to do her bidding. The bat of an eyelash or a supplicating sound of her voice had me ready to ask her “how high would you like me to jump?”
I helped ladies move, “lent” them money (never asked for it back, mostly never got paid back either), given them rides, helped them with homework, built them things, fixed their cars, bought them drinks and/or meals…anything any female in my life requested, I did. “NO” was not a part of my vocabulary when it came to dealing with the opposite gender.
Helping friends isn’t a character flaw. But you’re the one who made yourself into a doormat.
I also spent many a time with groups of female friends, joining in on the “all men are pigs” type of conversations. I’ve been that “one of the girls” guy on many an occasion. (“You’re so COOL! Why can’t more guys be like YOU?!”
But, Galt assures us, he wasn’t one of those passive-aggressive, guilt-tripping dudes who tries to “nice guy” his crushes into bed.
I’m not talking about being the “nice guy” here in hopes of getting a romantic response from a particular female. These are women for whom I knew as friends, acquaintances, co-workers, colleagues etc. In other words, if it had a vagina, I said “yes dear” to any and every request, simply to live up to the expectations inculcated in my mind on how a “good man” is one who serves the feminine imperative.
My indoctrination and upbringing had trained me to seek feminine approval above anything else.
What the hell kind of “indoctrination” did you get? Did you grow up in some sort of Goddess Cult? I’ve never met a single other person who’s been “indoctrinated” in this fashion. It’s almost as though you’re exaggerating or just making shit up in such a way as to justify your present-day misogyny.
Oh, wait, you are:
I’ve come to the realization that misogyny is the inevitable antidote one must accept, after gaining an understanding of the ugly truth of the female imperative and how it works to enslave men for it’s own purpose.
Yes, the only two options for men in the contemporary world – the only two — are to either bend over backwards and do everything women ask them to do in a creepily self-abasing way while agreeing that “all men are pigs,” or to decide that women are shit. (It’s not like this is a logical fallacy or anything.)
Most women nowadays really are beneath contempt. Manipulative, conniving, self-centered and solipsistic…especially beautiful ones.
[citation needed]
I now understand that this is the result of the programming most females are inculcated with from the same mass media culture that programmed me to be a pedestal worshiper.
[citation needed]
Actually, ALL women are solipsistic and manipulative to a certain degree (AWALT). It is their very nature. The real problem is that our mass media culture encourages women to embrace it, revel in it, and use their power of attraction to manipulate for their own selfish ends. It has always been like this, I just never recognized it until the hindsight as seen through the clarity of understanding that came with taking the red pill.
You realize that what you call the “red pill” is just a slightly exaggerated and updated version of not-so-good old fashioned misogyny, which has been around since the beginnings of civilization if not earlier?
But one thing this misogynist will admit: Not all women are like that. Really. I know a few.
Dude, dude, you just literally said that ALL women ARE like that. Like, in the paragraph you just finished writing.
These are women who understand that the true path to happiness is creating a sphere of nurturing and contentment amongst her friends and family. Such women are a literal joy to be around. There contentment is infectious.
“There contentment?” If these women truly loved you, wouldn’t they help you proofread your drivel?
But for most women I meet, my baseline assumption is that they are contemptuous creatures not worthy of anything other than basic human consideration…unless and until they prove otherwise.
Well, my baseline assumption is that the dudes of the manosphere are a bunch of pompous douchenozzles. And so far, I’m not altogether happy to report, not one has provided even a shred of evidence suggesting otherwise.
You need your own comment to be quote? Sure, happy to help:
That word you keep using, polite, does not mean what you think it means. Another Inego Montoya moment.
I must admit to being a little tired of them.
Yeah, you never said it, but you heavily implied it. In the same way that calling someone ‘economical with the truth’ is heavily implying that they are a liar.
Sunshine, if this is you being pleasant and respectful, I would actually prefer insults and open hostility. This passive aggressive stuff really rubs me the wrong way, and I agree with ostara that your behavior is intentional.
It might be best just to stick to my actual words and not try to find hidden implications.
The connotations of words are not “hidden implications”. Words mean things.
Given the number of people who interpreted your comment in the exact same way, I think the implications weren’t particularly hidden. Maybe you should look up the difference between denotation and connotation.
Less ‘trying to find hidden implications,’ more seeing implications. It didn’t take an effort to see those.
I did not say anyone should do anything they do not wish to do. I also did not say that someone would be happier if they made the same choices that I have made. I did not say these things. What I said was that I agreed with Keoni’s observations. I cannot honestly say that your words have changed my mind, though I would be willing to say so if they had.
It is clear that I am not a troll. I am a Christian, of course, so my personal frame for my marriage can be found in Ephesians 5:22-24:
22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
But if you are not a Christian, then obviously you will not think that way.
childless 40-something spinsters whose bitter diatribes are chronicled in long, dull essays that are so popular at the moment.
This is like poking a wasp nest and then whining “why are you wasps so angry?!”
(Possible swap for bees, because bees > wasps. Down with the wasps!)
As I understand it, this is gaslighting…..?
Wow. I can’t imagine how this is going to end up.
@sunshinemary
I am a Christian, and I personally think that particular biblical passage should be regarded with the same importance as the passage insisting that women wear head coverings when they pray. As in, at best, it was advice to a particular culture to deal with a particular issue. At worst, Paul was insinuating that women cannot claim as much a share in the Kingdom of Heaven as men can, which I find ridiculous.
I really don’t like that bit of Ephebians. [Context: now agnostic, but raised Catholic and had very similar opinions while still religious].
I simply feel that marriage should be an equal relationship between two people, which is not what St Paul’s looking for there.
Have a look at the bit in the Gospel where Christ distracts a woman from her household duties by teaching her. She gets chewed out for not helping around the house, and he responds that she’s just as worthy of learning from him as anyone else. There’s a strong implication there that the Christ in the Gospels wanted men and women to be treated equal.
Hell, isn’t there something in the Bible where it says man, woman, Gentile, Jew, free man or slave, all are equal?
My, our stories do change quickly, don’t they?
Mary, sweetie, calling people “childless 40-something spinsters [writing] bitter diatribes” is not “pleasant and respectful.” If you would like a “pleasant and respectful” response, you need to start by saying something that is actually pleasant and respectful. In the same way, if someone here had started a conversation with you by saying, “Personally, I think modern feminists leading a career-oriented lifestyle are much more pleasant than those baby-obsessed, immature housewives writing boring essays about catering to their Dear Husband’s every whim,” I’m pretty sure you would find that offensive, because, you know, it is. It’s rude, childish, and uncalled-for, exactly like what you said. (And, to be entirely clear, it is not a sentiment I agree with, and I’d roll my eyes just as much if some idiot said something along those lines to you as I did at your idiotic comments.) If you want respect, act respectful. Most people master this idea sometime around kindergarten.
“It might be best just to stick to my actual words and not try to find hidden implications.”
Sunshine, words don’t mean exactly what you say they mean and nothing else.
If you are able to function in any speech society, you know darned well that words and utterances often carry messages above and beyond the actual content of the words. When, where, how, and the accompanying gestures all imply things and add to the meaning of a sentence. Or, sometimes, say the opposite (as in our dear friend sarcasm).
If you want to claim politeness, don’t play both sides of the coin: saying something and then crying foul when someone reacts to the implications of your words. The fact that several people have all seen the same thing (totally independently) should tell you something. If it isn’t want you meant when dozens of people see the same manipulation, then apologize, straight up. No “buts” or “what I REALLY meant was…”
@MorkaisChosen
I think that’s the one you’re looking for.
it wasnt particularly hidden. the nastiness and condescension just oozed off it.
I’m sorry, I did not realize that so many people here had not read such essays. They seem to be in every publication lately. It isn’t disrespect on my part; the women who write the essays are childless, they are spinsters, and they write about being bitter. I don’t seem to see the analogous essays written by housewives. It seems to fit with what Keoni wrote.
Hello Amnesia,
I would enjoy the chance to discuss Scripture if it is allowed here. The verses you reference are regarding the body of Christ as a whole, not explaining how individual households should be organized.
It is no different than how you have a boss at work and you are free to do your job and have your thoughts and be yourself BUT you do have to work within his leadership and authority. It is the same in a Christian marriage. No so scary.
I think an accurate paraphrase of sunnyshinymary would be that subservient women are much more pleasant for MRAs to be around than those uppity feminists who go around acting as though they are people.
I certainly can’t argue with that.
citation needed
Oh, and the other story you’re referring to is in Luke 10:38-42, referring to the sisters Martha and Mary. Of course, MRA Jesus would have told Mary (the sister who sat down and listened to Jesus, presumably snacking on bonbons at the time), “Your sister’s right! Now get back into the kitchen and make me a sammich!”
Pardon – it should read “not so scary.”