It’s amazing how daintily some manosphere dudes dance around the word “misogyny.”After spewing forth venomous woman-hating filth in post after post, they turn around and equally vociferously deny that they are in any way misogynistic – after all, they can think of three or four women in their life they don’t actively hate.
It’s strange. Men whose entire political and social philosophy is based on the hatred of women aren’t willing to say this out loud.
Over on Hawaiian Libertarian, a blog with some influence within the marginal universe of the manosphere, Keoni Galt is a bit more honest: he is proudly and openly misogynist. Not only that, but he’s convinced that others in the manosphere need to fully accept misogyny into their shrunken little hearts. And he’s written a little manifesto about it:
Misogyny is the key to male liberation from blue pill delusions. Only by embracing it, can men adopt a new paradigm in which the female of the human species has forever been knocked off of the pedestal that had been erected in our minds by institutionalized brainwashing and mass media programming.
Galt starts out with a fairly standard-issue manosphere confessional. Turns out that before he saw the light – sorry, took the red pill — he was a poor female-besotted white-knight mangina like most of the unlucky males of this world:
Back in the blue pill days, I was enchanted and mesmerized by the female gender as a whole. Tell-a-Vision and a childhood steeped in Churchianity had me forever looking at the female gender as the only bright light in a world of shit. I was indoctrinated into becoming a worshiper at the feet of the pedestal of the “sacred feminine.”
The last thing I ever wanted to become, was a misogynist. No, I bought into the delusion that the key to being accepted and gain the approval of the female herd was to become the vaunted WhiteKnight-EmotionalTampon- InTouchWithMyFeelings- LJBF-NICE GUY.
Oh dear, we have to listen to the sad, boring tale of the Nice Guy once again.
All a woman…ANY woman (not just young, attractive ones)…had to do when I was younger, was smile at me or give me a pathetic pleading look, or a nice sounding request and I was ready to do her bidding. The bat of an eyelash or a supplicating sound of her voice had me ready to ask her “how high would you like me to jump?”
I helped ladies move, “lent” them money (never asked for it back, mostly never got paid back either), given them rides, helped them with homework, built them things, fixed their cars, bought them drinks and/or meals…anything any female in my life requested, I did. “NO” was not a part of my vocabulary when it came to dealing with the opposite gender.
Helping friends isn’t a character flaw. But you’re the one who made yourself into a doormat.
I also spent many a time with groups of female friends, joining in on the “all men are pigs” type of conversations. I’ve been that “one of the girls” guy on many an occasion. (“You’re so COOL! Why can’t more guys be like YOU?!”
But, Galt assures us, he wasn’t one of those passive-aggressive, guilt-tripping dudes who tries to “nice guy” his crushes into bed.
I’m not talking about being the “nice guy” here in hopes of getting a romantic response from a particular female. These are women for whom I knew as friends, acquaintances, co-workers, colleagues etc. In other words, if it had a vagina, I said “yes dear” to any and every request, simply to live up to the expectations inculcated in my mind on how a “good man” is one who serves the feminine imperative.
My indoctrination and upbringing had trained me to seek feminine approval above anything else.
What the hell kind of “indoctrination” did you get? Did you grow up in some sort of Goddess Cult? I’ve never met a single other person who’s been “indoctrinated” in this fashion. It’s almost as though you’re exaggerating or just making shit up in such a way as to justify your present-day misogyny.
Oh, wait, you are:
I’ve come to the realization that misogyny is the inevitable antidote one must accept, after gaining an understanding of the ugly truth of the female imperative and how it works to enslave men for it’s own purpose.
Yes, the only two options for men in the contemporary world – the only two — are to either bend over backwards and do everything women ask them to do in a creepily self-abasing way while agreeing that “all men are pigs,” or to decide that women are shit. (It’s not like this is a logical fallacy or anything.)
Most women nowadays really are beneath contempt. Manipulative, conniving, self-centered and solipsistic…especially beautiful ones.
[citation needed]
I now understand that this is the result of the programming most females are inculcated with from the same mass media culture that programmed me to be a pedestal worshiper.
[citation needed]
Actually, ALL women are solipsistic and manipulative to a certain degree (AWALT). It is their very nature. The real problem is that our mass media culture encourages women to embrace it, revel in it, and use their power of attraction to manipulate for their own selfish ends. It has always been like this, I just never recognized it until the hindsight as seen through the clarity of understanding that came with taking the red pill.
You realize that what you call the “red pill” is just a slightly exaggerated and updated version of not-so-good old fashioned misogyny, which has been around since the beginnings of civilization if not earlier?
But one thing this misogynist will admit: Not all women are like that. Really. I know a few.
Dude, dude, you just literally said that ALL women ARE like that. Like, in the paragraph you just finished writing.
These are women who understand that the true path to happiness is creating a sphere of nurturing and contentment amongst her friends and family. Such women are a literal joy to be around. There contentment is infectious.
“There contentment?” If these women truly loved you, wouldn’t they help you proofread your drivel?
But for most women I meet, my baseline assumption is that they are contemptuous creatures not worthy of anything other than basic human consideration…unless and until they prove otherwise.
Well, my baseline assumption is that the dudes of the manosphere are a bunch of pompous douchenozzles. And so far, I’m not altogether happy to report, not one has provided even a shred of evidence suggesting otherwise.
I think he means they have not made a central part of their sense of self revolve around their religioisty. They’ve not, “accepted Jesus fully”. He’s, “just a friend”, not their Lord, Master and Savior.
Which is, of course, not too far off from what the “I used to be a Nice Guy™” types are complaining about when they talk about how cruel it was that women didn’t “treat them well”.
“Galt” is the name of a character in an Ayn Rand book, which tells you all you need to know right there. As for the “Keoni” part, I’d wager he’s about as Hawaiian as Ron Howard.
(I’m from Hawaii too. Seen so many white guys trying to go native, I swear I can smell them over the internet.)
dalrock has a crew?
@speedlines
i assume it’s supposed to be the hawaiian equivalent of john? which if true would put him in the sad position of imitating megan mccardle, privilege and first world problems editor of newsweek magazine
Thanks Pecunium. I wasn’t trying to be a smart-ass or anything, I was honestly confused!
I think Keoni Galt is correct about the few women who have chosen the traditional path of being submissive wives and nurturing mothers – they tend to be much more pleasant and contented than the childless 40-something spinsters whose bitter diatribes are chronicled in long, dull essays that are so popular at the moment.
viscaria: I didn’t think you were. I happen to think it’s a ghastly analogy; no matter how one slices it, because even assuming that Jesus ought to be central to one’s life.. it’s not Jesus the Man/Deity, but the teachings/commandments of Jesus.
Which means the relationship (religious orders aside; and I have some issues with that too; more in the philosophical iconography than in the idea of living the contemplative life) isn’t parallel, at all, to romance.
What happens when you don’t friend zone Jesus? Oh right, “The Family”:
http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Love_words_to_Jesus
@Sharculese “First World Problems” pretty much sums up the MRM in a nutshell. I’m not saying it’s *impossible* for a native Hawaiian dude to get mixed up in something as asinine as the MRM, after all, stupid comes in all races. I’m just saying it’s hightly unlikely, when there’s a shitload of real, legit problems that the Hawaiian people have to deal with.
i was actually talking about megan mccardle when i said ‘first world problems’. low watt libertarian ranter who used to blog under the name ‘jane galt’
im sure one group of imaginary people in your head is much nicer than the other group of imaginary people in your head. that’s the neat thing about imagination!
@Joven:
That link just added a substantial amount of surreal to my afternoon. o.O
“Jesus, I’m lost in Your love. With every thrust of Your penis You take me higher and higher. ”
“I crave You, Jesus. I’m hot for You! My legs are spread to receive Your penis! Enter into me! Give me Your seeds. ”
It should be noted they encourage both the women and the men to say those (the men are supposed to pretend to be women getting fucked by Jesus.)
Also, they’re a cult which has a lot of child abuse and molestation, plus a lot of power in washington and were some of the folks financing the ‘kill the gays’ stuff in Africa, I believe…so, unfortunately they aren’t all funny.
Yeah, I would be a little bit surprised if he were actually local. I’ve noticed out here that it’s usually white assholes who are … well … assholes. Either rich Republican fuckers or the more stompystompy variety of military guys. Not saying it’s limited to white, but they do tend to be … white.
Although.
Given how religious some people are I wouldn’t be SO surprised if this guy were local and raised to have those very very traditional beliefs that wind up putting women on ittybitty pedestals. Since moving here I’ve met (and been approached by) loads of wacky religious folk, from Mormons to Moonies. I used to live in a house with a couple (in their 40s or so) where the wife was obsessed with being a good, subservient wife and bought into all this “men need respect and women need love” bs. Her husband (we won’t even go into the racial dynamics) was always talking down to her and it was very unsettling. Thank goodness they moved out … Anyway, so that kind of thinking does seem to fit in with MRAdom. Even with all this “Chris Channity is fer wimmen” stuff, their thoughts about gender roles are exactly the same as those of the people I keep meeting.
Well. As long as he isn’t a student and never goes to the mall, I’m good.
Bullshit. Spend 5 minutes on No Longer Quivering or Love, Joy, Feminism and see plenty of accounts from women who’ve escaped that traditional role and how they feel about it. Feminism exists because women were not satisfied by being forced to be submissive wives expected to have no opinions or skills not approved by their fathers and husbands and having a baby every year or so (which takes a serious physical toll on a woman’s body).
Wait. Wait, that’s that Family?! In DC? That maintained housing for so many congresscritters (and probably still does) and organized many of the prayer breakfasts? That! Family!
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
Sunshine.
The few, the good, the self abasing for men just as flawed as they are. Of which you are clearly an exalted paradigm of I’m sure, in your own special passive aggressive way.
How did I ever forget to become a member of such an illustrious and exclusive club? Oh yeah…I realized God granted me a spine for good reason.
Yeah, all those bitter old spinsters in your head. But of course there are no bitter bachelors are there?
And then there’s the “more in touch with the islands than thou” hippies…
But girls, you have exactly proved my point! I respectfully expressed an opinion different than yours, and you reacted by swearing at me and telling me that I am mentally unbalanced.
Just from our brief interaction…
I am a happily married submissive wife. I am pleasant and respectful when I disagree with people.
You are feminists. Your response to disagreement is not to politely refute the other person’s ideas, but rather to swear at them or to call them mentally ill.
You have illustrated Keoni Galt’s point.
Maybe this is splitting hairs, but I somehow doubt that this dude NEVER EVER disobeyed his mom, or primary female caregiver, for starters (assuming he had one).
To be more relevant, the thing is, it isn’t feminism that says “you must always, forever, do any and every little thing you can for teh wimminz”. If anything, that’s the misogynist idea that women can’t do any of that shit for themselves that motivates that thought process. As it is though, I think it’s more a combination of patriarchy and bizarro assumptions this guy made on his own that made him into a doormat. And to be fair, there IS that weird meme that crops up sometimes in our culture that equates being a doormat with being “nice” and being assertive and able to stand up for oneself and one’s own boundaries as “mean” or “selfish” even (though, in my experience, it’s one more commonly trotted to women, see also “bitches” in the workplace). But that isn’t behavior you generally see encouraged in men. If anything, it’s DIScouraged in the media because “nice guys finish last” and whatnot.
That said, I have a hard time believing that there were literally NO other messages this guy got that said instead that you can manage to be nice without being a doormat. There are plenty of people in my life (men people even!) who manage to be really awesome without leaping to do anything and everything for me.
What I get from his rant, more than anything, is that rather than being taken advantage of, this guy mostly is just pissed off that more women didn’t worship him for the “nice guy” he was. And he probably cluelessly didn’t pick up on the fact that maybe some of the women got understandably frustrated with a condescending dude who appeared to assume no woman could ever do anything for herself.
It doesn’t matter what the mra transphobes think, Lana’s a woman, therefore they are appropriating a woman’s work.
im a dude, and i didnt say you were mentally unbalanced, i said you were making shit up, which you clearly were.
congratulations if your life makes you happy! feminism means everyone gets to choose the life they live, and if that’s what you want, go for it.
but dont for a second think that coming into someone elses space and indirectly referring to them as “childless 40-something spinsters whose bitter diatribes are chronicled in long, dull essays” is pleasant or respectful just because you didnt use any naughty words!
i cant refute shit you made up without pointing out that it sounds made-up!
and your response to disagreement is apparently misrepresenting what people said and engaging in sneery, passive-aggression. while infinitely less fun than what we do, dont pretend it isnt anything but nastiness.
Oh dear, I don’t think you are seeing this. I am politely disagreeing with you. Is this the kind of response one should expect from feminists to polite disagreement?
sunshine: 1) I am not a girl. I have not been a girl for quite a few years. 2) I’m glad you’re happy with the role you’ve taken on. I would not be – I’m just not made to be either submissive or a housewife. Just because a role suits you does not mean that it will suit every woman, and it’s rude and presumptive to tell other women how much happier we would be if we just did what you do.
Newbie: I deleted your last comment. That sort of personal attack is way over the line. I’m putting you on moderation for now.
sunshinemary, if you’re referring to Newbie’s comment, no, that sort of comment isn’t allowed here, no matter whom it’s directed towards.