It’s amazing how daintily some manosphere dudes dance around the word “misogyny.”After spewing forth venomous woman-hating filth in post after post, they turn around and equally vociferously deny that they are in any way misogynistic – after all, they can think of three or four women in their life they don’t actively hate.
It’s strange. Men whose entire political and social philosophy is based on the hatred of women aren’t willing to say this out loud.
Over on Hawaiian Libertarian, a blog with some influence within the marginal universe of the manosphere, Keoni Galt is a bit more honest: he is proudly and openly misogynist. Not only that, but he’s convinced that others in the manosphere need to fully accept misogyny into their shrunken little hearts. And he’s written a little manifesto about it:
Misogyny is the key to male liberation from blue pill delusions. Only by embracing it, can men adopt a new paradigm in which the female of the human species has forever been knocked off of the pedestal that had been erected in our minds by institutionalized brainwashing and mass media programming.
Galt starts out with a fairly standard-issue manosphere confessional. Turns out that before he saw the light – sorry, took the red pill — he was a poor female-besotted white-knight mangina like most of the unlucky males of this world:
Back in the blue pill days, I was enchanted and mesmerized by the female gender as a whole. Tell-a-Vision and a childhood steeped in Churchianity had me forever looking at the female gender as the only bright light in a world of shit. I was indoctrinated into becoming a worshiper at the feet of the pedestal of the “sacred feminine.”
The last thing I ever wanted to become, was a misogynist. No, I bought into the delusion that the key to being accepted and gain the approval of the female herd was to become the vaunted WhiteKnight-EmotionalTampon- InTouchWithMyFeelings- LJBF-NICE GUY.
Oh dear, we have to listen to the sad, boring tale of the Nice Guy once again.
All a woman…ANY woman (not just young, attractive ones)…had to do when I was younger, was smile at me or give me a pathetic pleading look, or a nice sounding request and I was ready to do her bidding. The bat of an eyelash or a supplicating sound of her voice had me ready to ask her “how high would you like me to jump?”
I helped ladies move, “lent” them money (never asked for it back, mostly never got paid back either), given them rides, helped them with homework, built them things, fixed their cars, bought them drinks and/or meals…anything any female in my life requested, I did. “NO” was not a part of my vocabulary when it came to dealing with the opposite gender.
Helping friends isn’t a character flaw. But you’re the one who made yourself into a doormat.
I also spent many a time with groups of female friends, joining in on the “all men are pigs” type of conversations. I’ve been that “one of the girls” guy on many an occasion. (“You’re so COOL! Why can’t more guys be like YOU?!”
But, Galt assures us, he wasn’t one of those passive-aggressive, guilt-tripping dudes who tries to “nice guy” his crushes into bed.
I’m not talking about being the “nice guy” here in hopes of getting a romantic response from a particular female. These are women for whom I knew as friends, acquaintances, co-workers, colleagues etc. In other words, if it had a vagina, I said “yes dear” to any and every request, simply to live up to the expectations inculcated in my mind on how a “good man” is one who serves the feminine imperative.
My indoctrination and upbringing had trained me to seek feminine approval above anything else.
What the hell kind of “indoctrination” did you get? Did you grow up in some sort of Goddess Cult? I’ve never met a single other person who’s been “indoctrinated” in this fashion. It’s almost as though you’re exaggerating or just making shit up in such a way as to justify your present-day misogyny.
Oh, wait, you are:
I’ve come to the realization that misogyny is the inevitable antidote one must accept, after gaining an understanding of the ugly truth of the female imperative and how it works to enslave men for it’s own purpose.
Yes, the only two options for men in the contemporary world – the only two — are to either bend over backwards and do everything women ask them to do in a creepily self-abasing way while agreeing that “all men are pigs,” or to decide that women are shit. (It’s not like this is a logical fallacy or anything.)
Most women nowadays really are beneath contempt. Manipulative, conniving, self-centered and solipsistic…especially beautiful ones.
[citation needed]
I now understand that this is the result of the programming most females are inculcated with from the same mass media culture that programmed me to be a pedestal worshiper.
[citation needed]
Actually, ALL women are solipsistic and manipulative to a certain degree (AWALT). It is their very nature. The real problem is that our mass media culture encourages women to embrace it, revel in it, and use their power of attraction to manipulate for their own selfish ends. It has always been like this, I just never recognized it until the hindsight as seen through the clarity of understanding that came with taking the red pill.
You realize that what you call the “red pill” is just a slightly exaggerated and updated version of not-so-good old fashioned misogyny, which has been around since the beginnings of civilization if not earlier?
But one thing this misogynist will admit: Not all women are like that. Really. I know a few.
Dude, dude, you just literally said that ALL women ARE like that. Like, in the paragraph you just finished writing.
These are women who understand that the true path to happiness is creating a sphere of nurturing and contentment amongst her friends and family. Such women are a literal joy to be around. There contentment is infectious.
“There contentment?” If these women truly loved you, wouldn’t they help you proofread your drivel?
But for most women I meet, my baseline assumption is that they are contemptuous creatures not worthy of anything other than basic human consideration…unless and until they prove otherwise.
Well, my baseline assumption is that the dudes of the manosphere are a bunch of pompous douchenozzles. And so far, I’m not altogether happy to report, not one has provided even a shred of evidence suggesting otherwise.
Speaking as someone who was raised Mormon (not in Utah), I have to correct one of sunshinemary’s claims:
Neither of these is true. Mormons use the King James Bible alongside their unique scriptures. And while they believe that humans can become deified, they do not believe that humans, as they are, are gods.
You can argue over whether or not Mormons are “true Christians” all you want, but at least make sure you have your facts straight.
Also, the JELL-O thing? Totally true. For some reason, JELL-O desserts are very popular with Mormons. Maybe because they’re easy to make in large quantities? Not just for the big families, but for the frequent social events at the church.
“The Tyranny of Tingles – Part 1″
Yes, reducing (cis) women to their vaginas is just oh so Christian. A post on Christian views of ‘gina tingles would be excellent.
“Gee, kind of quiet in here all of a sudden, isn’t it?”
Um, maybe because we don’t absorb data by osmosis and went to check your link?
i explicitly told you do what makes you happy.
the problem is youre coming here acting like a self-righteous prick about it, not addressing substantive criticism of your observation, and retreating into impenetrable excuses.
that and youre conspicuously avoiding telling us what it is you think your faith is telling you about gay people
Mary,
Thank you. I appreciate that you bothered to look. You’ve cited the CDC, which is a good start. Now let’s look at some more sources.
Mental Health America is the nation’s oldest independent mental health advocacy organization. They have no reason to lie. They are one of the groups responsible for the original 2002 study, and it’s update in 2007.
Here is some more data from 2007. Since you may not be aware of Utah politics, Deseret News is owned by the mormon church as part of its for-profit holdings, Deseret Industries. Hence, any story they run will be sympathetic to the mormon church.
2007 update
Here is a link to the updated 2007 study. You can read its methodology, which included the CDC data you cited.
http://www.nmha.org/files/Ranking_Americas_Mental_Health.pdf
Here is an updated story from 2008. This story discusses Express Scripts, who first put out their original survey about prescription rates in 2002. An updated survey in 2008 showed…wait for it…the same results.
2008 update
Utah Valley University was so intrigued by the phenomenon that they did their own research into the issue. Their findings are documented in this powerpoint presentation:
http://www.uvu.edu/studenthealth/…/Depression%20in%20Utah2.pptx
It would seem, Mary, that the CDC’s data is either incomplete, or its methodology, which consisted solely of questionnaires, is a bit flawed. Remember that people are fallible, and will lie on questionnaires when it serves a purpose, such as, oh, hiding the truth about how miserable your life actually is in a patriarchal cult.
“Maybe because they’re easy to make in large quantities?”
My parents’ church deserts tend to be store bought, which costs like 5x a box of jello — I’m thinking the cost factor probably plays a roll here.
The deep south is both very religious and patriarchal.
Not that it matters, really. You’re basically trying to argue that your religion and wifely submission have made you happier than other women. And maybe they have. l know that for me the way you practice Christianity and your marriage would make me miserable and I’m grateful that there are other choices. There are undoubtedly women who choose the religious life and wifely submission that you are advocating who are happy and contented in their choices and their marriages. But the opposite is also true.
And there are undoubtedly women who have chosen to be single and/or unmarried, without children who are, likewise, happy and contented in their choices and relationships. And, again, the opposite is also true.
Two things are certain: 1) There are many -oh, so many- other options available to women that fall between the reductive binary of “wifely submission” and “40 year old spinster.” And, 2) any or all of those choices can make an individual happy or miserable.
You haven’t proven that your lifestyle is a guarantee of happiness and contentment. So who cares what you think? Seriously.
Is that so?
So, nothing about that could be construed as telling people how live their lives? Nothing at all? Bullshit.
Effie — thank you for that follow-up, I was wondering whether the NMHA was really based solely on self-reports and suicide rates, seems my skimming the link was fail. The CDC data seemed to be a questionnaire asking about the symptoms of depression, but only for 2 weeks prior — short time frame = small sample sized = annoyed Argenti.
@dracula
mary continues to be incensed that we keep throwing those words back in her face for no better reason than that she wrote them
@sunshinemary
Trying to reason with anyone here is pointless. These are the same poeple who’ve reinterpretted every word of the bible to mean every form of perversion is Gods will. The gayer the better. In manboobzland, woman IS God and failure to pray at the altar is blasphemy.
Argenti,
You’re quite welcome! Yes, the CDC data did seem to be pretty incomplete, and now we know why.
The NMHA study does take socio-economic status and access to healthcare into consideration. They examine the whole person rather than just self-reporting, and over a longer period of time. In addition, since we’re talking about Utah, and mormons don’t drink or otherwise self-medicate for depression the way the heathens do, prescription drug rates are a much better indicator for levels of depression than just self-reporting. This is a religion that, like other patriarchal cults, encourages “lying for the Lord.” You may SAY one thing, but if you’re popping the pills, well, the scrips tell the real story. Additionally, the suicide rate for Utah is 7th in the country. THAT can’t be fudged.
The UVU presentation was quite clear. On the Gallup-Hathaway Well-Being Index, Utah ranks number one. That’s because the Index is based solely on self-reporting how happy you are. But when contrasted with the hard numbers of suicide rates, antidepressant prescriptions, and the number of patients seeking mental health treatment, the story is much different. There’s that “lying for the Lord” again.
@pecunium
“The primary teaching of Jesus (and the apostolic writers; with the possible exceptions of Deutero-Paul and the certain one of The Book Of Revelations of St John the Divine) is, “be good to one another”.
Jesus is broader, he said to be good to everyone. Paul agrees, but focuses on how to best be good to those with whom one spends one’s time, most esp. in the church.
So, how many pairs of shoes have you got? How many coats? How much of your money is given to the poor? You want to prattle about how you live the “Christian Life” as “the Bible mandates”, you have problems if the answer to the first two questions is more than one.”
And thus the prophet pecunium has declared who is Christian and who isn’t. He has declared what verses are literal and what are metaphorical.
Thank you oh prophet for interpreting what is good and what is bad. Let us all endorse gays and trans as written in the book according to pecunium. Amen. Sing brother!
She cannot own nor take responsibility for her words, because owning and taking responsibility are not part of her proper gender role, that’s her husband’s territory. Quite a conundrum she has gotten herself into here.
Effie, using prescription rates to determine depression rates has built-in bias. This would be like using the number of prescriptions written for bcp to determine percentage of sexually-active adults. It will vary by location and access to health care. If you go into downtown Detroit, you will find very few people who are either on anti-depressants or bcps for that matter. However, it would not be valid to say that therefore the rates of depression and sexually activity are low.
“So, nothing about that could be construed as telling people how live their lives? Nothing at all? Bullshit.”
Making an observation is not the same as dispensing advice. If you arrived here from another country, you might look around you and say, “I have noticed that the women in the country tend to be obese.” This is not the same as saying, “I think these women should lose weight.” One is an observation. One is advice. I have made observations.
“Effie, using prescription rates to determine depression rates has built-in bias.”
Got an argument refuting the suicide rate?
hey effie, the link to that uvu study is fucked
Not buying it. If you expect me to believe that your “observation” doesn’t come with a heavy (and intentional) subtext of “You’re all doing it wrong, unlike me.”, then you obviously take me for a fool.
Mary, quit pretending like “all you did” was say “this is how I live my life” when that isn’t what you did to begin with. You came into a feminist space and called all feminists “40 something spinsters” who write “dull, bitter essays” and then sourced following your particular brand of Christianity as what makes women pleasant people.
No, you didn’t say we had to live like you in order to fit your definition of “pleasant” but you implied we were all unhappy, mean old meanies. Then, when we responded (understandably) with mockery and contempt, you tried to backtrack and say it’s because of your religion that you believe we’re all mean old meanies. From there you just continued to make a bunch of bullshit comments that don’t really prove your innocence so much as incriminate you further as someone who either doesn’t know what stirring the pot means (unlikely, but possible, I suppose) or as someone who came here looking to call a group of feminists a bunch of mean old meanies.
And here’s a tip, if you have a problem with published works, take it up in a letter to the editor of the publisher, not a random group of people in the internet.
Sharculese, try this one: http://www.uvu.edu/studenthealth/documents/Depression%20in%20Utah2.pptx
NOTE: Opens in PowerPoint
@Rutee Katreya
“Earth to Mary: Your advice is meaningless to me, because it is based on wrong premises, follows alien morality, and is generally not reality-based.”
Donycha mean whatever you feel is moral?
You don’t have any morals. Your morals are which ever way the wind blows. “I don’t want this to be bad cause I like doing it, waaaaaaaaahhhhhh.” Stop pretending to have any morals. You have none. You’re just furious because others do have morals. Which is a constant reminider of how pathetic you are. No wonder feminists love the echo chamber. Everyone there is equally bereft of morals.
Yeah, the passive aggressiveness just shines right through the façade of pleasant, contented civility.
@sunshinemary
This is a bit late, but doesn’t this quote mean that you don’t love your husband? And in turn, that he doesn’t respect you?
-Keoni Galt
-Mary
Makes you think.
“solipsistic”… relating to the theory that one’s own mind is the only thing one can know to be true.
What he really means is sociopathic. Where your theory is that your own self is the only self worth looking out for.
But in either case, what he glosses right over is that this is profoundly… um… projecting. Projecting so hard I may not have to visit theaters after all. (a hat tip is owed to somebody here at this point, but I get confused)
Galt? One’s mind is the only thing that can be known, looking out for one’s self is the only good that is truly moral?
…seriously, GALT? Dropping in accusations of selfish behavior? Aren’t you supposed to admire those who look to self-interest first? Ah, right. Only ‘enlightened’ self-interest. Like yours.
Sorry for the detour. I was just struck hard by his use of that word suddenly.