It’s amazing how daintily some manosphere dudes dance around the word “misogyny.”After spewing forth venomous woman-hating filth in post after post, they turn around and equally vociferously deny that they are in any way misogynistic – after all, they can think of three or four women in their life they don’t actively hate.
It’s strange. Men whose entire political and social philosophy is based on the hatred of women aren’t willing to say this out loud.
Over on Hawaiian Libertarian, a blog with some influence within the marginal universe of the manosphere, Keoni Galt is a bit more honest: he is proudly and openly misogynist. Not only that, but he’s convinced that others in the manosphere need to fully accept misogyny into their shrunken little hearts. And he’s written a little manifesto about it:
Misogyny is the key to male liberation from blue pill delusions. Only by embracing it, can men adopt a new paradigm in which the female of the human species has forever been knocked off of the pedestal that had been erected in our minds by institutionalized brainwashing and mass media programming.
Galt starts out with a fairly standard-issue manosphere confessional. Turns out that before he saw the light – sorry, took the red pill — he was a poor female-besotted white-knight mangina like most of the unlucky males of this world:
Back in the blue pill days, I was enchanted and mesmerized by the female gender as a whole. Tell-a-Vision and a childhood steeped in Churchianity had me forever looking at the female gender as the only bright light in a world of shit. I was indoctrinated into becoming a worshiper at the feet of the pedestal of the “sacred feminine.”
The last thing I ever wanted to become, was a misogynist. No, I bought into the delusion that the key to being accepted and gain the approval of the female herd was to become the vaunted WhiteKnight-EmotionalTampon- InTouchWithMyFeelings- LJBF-NICE GUY.
Oh dear, we have to listen to the sad, boring tale of the Nice Guy once again.
All a woman…ANY woman (not just young, attractive ones)…had to do when I was younger, was smile at me or give me a pathetic pleading look, or a nice sounding request and I was ready to do her bidding. The bat of an eyelash or a supplicating sound of her voice had me ready to ask her “how high would you like me to jump?”
I helped ladies move, “lent” them money (never asked for it back, mostly never got paid back either), given them rides, helped them with homework, built them things, fixed their cars, bought them drinks and/or meals…anything any female in my life requested, I did. “NO” was not a part of my vocabulary when it came to dealing with the opposite gender.
Helping friends isn’t a character flaw. But you’re the one who made yourself into a doormat.
I also spent many a time with groups of female friends, joining in on the “all men are pigs” type of conversations. I’ve been that “one of the girls” guy on many an occasion. (“You’re so COOL! Why can’t more guys be like YOU?!”
But, Galt assures us, he wasn’t one of those passive-aggressive, guilt-tripping dudes who tries to “nice guy” his crushes into bed.
I’m not talking about being the “nice guy” here in hopes of getting a romantic response from a particular female. These are women for whom I knew as friends, acquaintances, co-workers, colleagues etc. In other words, if it had a vagina, I said “yes dear” to any and every request, simply to live up to the expectations inculcated in my mind on how a “good man” is one who serves the feminine imperative.
My indoctrination and upbringing had trained me to seek feminine approval above anything else.
What the hell kind of “indoctrination” did you get? Did you grow up in some sort of Goddess Cult? I’ve never met a single other person who’s been “indoctrinated” in this fashion. It’s almost as though you’re exaggerating or just making shit up in such a way as to justify your present-day misogyny.
Oh, wait, you are:
I’ve come to the realization that misogyny is the inevitable antidote one must accept, after gaining an understanding of the ugly truth of the female imperative and how it works to enslave men for it’s own purpose.
Yes, the only two options for men in the contemporary world – the only two — are to either bend over backwards and do everything women ask them to do in a creepily self-abasing way while agreeing that “all men are pigs,” or to decide that women are shit. (It’s not like this is a logical fallacy or anything.)
Most women nowadays really are beneath contempt. Manipulative, conniving, self-centered and solipsistic…especially beautiful ones.
[citation needed]
I now understand that this is the result of the programming most females are inculcated with from the same mass media culture that programmed me to be a pedestal worshiper.
[citation needed]
Actually, ALL women are solipsistic and manipulative to a certain degree (AWALT). It is their very nature. The real problem is that our mass media culture encourages women to embrace it, revel in it, and use their power of attraction to manipulate for their own selfish ends. It has always been like this, I just never recognized it until the hindsight as seen through the clarity of understanding that came with taking the red pill.
You realize that what you call the “red pill” is just a slightly exaggerated and updated version of not-so-good old fashioned misogyny, which has been around since the beginnings of civilization if not earlier?
But one thing this misogynist will admit: Not all women are like that. Really. I know a few.
Dude, dude, you just literally said that ALL women ARE like that. Like, in the paragraph you just finished writing.
These are women who understand that the true path to happiness is creating a sphere of nurturing and contentment amongst her friends and family. Such women are a literal joy to be around. There contentment is infectious.
“There contentment?” If these women truly loved you, wouldn’t they help you proofread your drivel?
But for most women I meet, my baseline assumption is that they are contemptuous creatures not worthy of anything other than basic human consideration…unless and until they prove otherwise.
Well, my baseline assumption is that the dudes of the manosphere are a bunch of pompous douchenozzles. And so far, I’m not altogether happy to report, not one has provided even a shred of evidence suggesting otherwise.
“Subscribe to my sexismbusters channel on youtube to see the film.”
Wow, you didn’t even try to bury the lede this time. That still isn’t how experiments work though — for starters, you need a generally accepted definition of misandry (and, for that matter, wh*re)
MARY YOU LEFT OFF THE NEXT VERSES
EPHESIANS 25-33
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[b] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
GD LIAR.
Should Tom Martin continue begging the question?
Will he keep trolling Manboobz for more views on his YouTube channel?
Will he ever gain the self-awareness required to realize he’s making a fool of himself?
– I won’t give away the ending just yet.
Continue reading the comments to see the results.
Oh, Tom Martin, what’s your opinion on this story? Should they hassle seals to protect those wh*re penguins?
Dracula — I do fake game shows, you do soap opera commercials, that was excellent. For some cross over, begging the question is a favorite category on Spot That Fallacy!!
Begging the question (petitio principii) – where the conclusion of an argument is implicitly or explicitly assumed in one of the premises
Also —
Equivocation – the misleading use of a term with more than one meaning (by glossing over which meaning is intended at a particular time)
Stop just going wh*re at everything Tom, you need to define wtf you mean. And as for claiming your “experiments” prove anything —
False attribution – an advocate appeals to an irrelevant, unqualified, unidentified, biased or fabricated source in support of an argument
mary you are a fake christian. you intentionally left off the best part, equality.
I see right though you. I don’t know who you think you’re worshiping.
maybe try on a burka and see how you like the feel. Happier and more contented!
Epiphany: Oh fucking hell, seriously? Islamophobia does you no credit.
Also, I’d love to watch Tom Martin get into more arguments with the other MRAs. Some of his shit directly counters the party line in hilarious ways.
HOLD UP WAIT.
I am not Islamophobic. In fact, no where in the Q’ran does it suggest anyone cover themselves! That is a societal construct. I was callin Mary out. I was trying to call her a satanist, for shit’s sake. CHILL OUT I AM A FEMINIST! I LOVE ALL RELIGION! Jesus!
If that’s true, refrain from random burqa references in the future. Yeah, forcing them to be worn is shit, but it’s not exactly a unique practice to muslims.
I have this feeling that Tom’s video project is going to go like this:
Tom: Which sex do you think is more sexist?
Woman: Men?
Tom: MISANDRY!! You there, who is more sexist?
Man: Women?
Tom: RIGHT ON, BROTHER.
Speaking of MRAs and Hawaii, it was so funny … I went out to go to work and passed a guy at a bus stop who was shouting at all the cars, “IT’S NOT THE SIZE OF MY COCK THAT MATTERS, IT’S THE SIZE OF MY WALLET!” And he kept repeating it. Once I passed, he shouted, “ISN’T THAT RIGHT??” I didn’t respond (wanted to, not keen on getting into fights on the way to work), but I couldn’t help but wonder if he was this guy. Dammit, I should have asked!
I hate to think the current discussion was in any way influenced by my kinda creepily christian housemates. But I found the level of indoctrination she displayed to be really unsettling, and he was always treating her like she was stupid. And he was always saying little sexist things to me. He struck me as one of those guys who embraced that flavor of Christianity just so he could have power over a woman. And just soooo happened to marry one from one of those good, “submissive” countries …
i honestly didn’t mean to come off as sounding Islamophobic. I apologize if anyone took it that way, sorry R.
Just trying to lay the smack down on a liar mra, so I am coming from a good place.
Derail: Forcing women to wear burkas is not in the Koran, however it says to cover the bosom and hair– but this comes from the Jewish and Christian tradition. So, only in extremist fundamentalism are women covered completely. When I make a comment about the burka– it is against extremism toward women.
Bring it back: So, in the Ephesians chapter sunshine gave, zie only noted the part that says WIVES BE SUBSERVIENT, and deliberately left off the next sentences that say HUSBANDS BE SUBSERVIENT. mary is like fox news to Shirley Sherrod for real. Just like the extremist Islamists skew one little line in the Koran that really says “wear a hood when you go out of town so that other people know you’re from our tribe!” into YOU MUST COVER YOUR WHOLE BODY BECAUSE WOMEN ARE DIRTY. Just like for some reason I get the feeling the agnostics and jewish folks maybe the gays 🙂 et c. are not into a convo on the break down of evangelical king james dumbed down version probably due to extremists and their bs distortions. God is love. So, get bent mary with your warped perceptions.
Gross…did some members of the Christian manosphere crawl over here?
Quick! pour some holy water on them and they’ll melt! and I mean that not as an insult to Christianity, but as a speculation that Jesus probably wouldn’t approve of people ranting about slutty slut feminists on the internet all day.
and yes, that is what they do. One night I felt rather masochistic and read a bunch of their blogs. Their posts usually include rants about Obama, an ad with two fathers, single mothers, promiscuous women (but not men of course!) women not submitting enough (why oh why wont this human being allow me to enslave them?!) liberals, and some racist crap thrown in there too at times
Such a loving, happy bunch, like the Westboro Baptist Church!
actually the ad with two gay fathers was a one time rant, and it may have been on Hawaiian Libertarian’s blog I can’t remember. Either way, homophobic….surprise, surprise.
Can we have your assurance that “editing” in this case doesn’t mean “cutting out any of the responses that don’t fit my predetermined agenda”? Because I share others’ concern about your working methodology, and doubt very much that it would stand up to serious scrutiny.
@Rutee:
“it’s not exactly a unique practice to muslims.”
From what I understand, the Burka is mainly conservative Muslim attire. It’s the Hijab type of veil that is widespread outside of the Muslim population. Are there other religions that have taken a liking to the Burka? If so I just may cry. One is bad enough.
Stockholm Syndrome
Symptoms of victimization
I used to think I was inferior to my husband, too. Every time he got angry and hit me or called me names or destroyed my stuff I believed it was because I did something wrong. Then I got a clue, left religion, got a divorce, and found a good therapist. I’m much happier and healthier now. Imagine the improvement in a person’s life when she’s no longer trying to decide which shirt to wear to hide the bruises, or when she no longer has an overactive flinch/startle reflex at her partner standing up quickly!
Patriarchal christian women live in a heavy state of denial and depression, as evidenced by my previously cited stats of Utah’s antidepressant prescription rates and clinical diagnoses rates. It’s slightly annoying that mormons are the only American religious demograph scientists can really measure by geography, but they’re the only religious cluster in the United States with a specific geographic monopoly. But in this case, considering that they’re right up there with the quiverfull nuts on patriarchal hierarchy, their symptoms will serve as a good representation of the overall movement’s.
Tommy: – I won’t give away the results of the experiment just yet.
If those are the questions you asked… the results were predetermined. Which is, as you may imagine, no surprise to me.
I see you have learned to use substitutions, so you can be taught. I just wonder if there is enough time left in the universe for you to actually learn.
Epiphany: mary you are a fake christian. you intentionally left off the best part, equality.
I see right though you. I don’t know who you think you’re worshiping.
maybe try on a burka and see how you like the feel. Happier and more contented!
So much wrong. sunshinemary is a christian. You may not like her ideas about what the teachings of Jesus, and the texts she (and her church) have chosen as canon; and what they mean, but she’s a christian.
You don’t get to tell her she’s not. God may, you don’t.
And the islamophobic comment… isn’t helping. It makes you look narrow minded and hateful (no matter how you try to paint things with the verses you quoted; which sunshinemary has discussed; and which don’t actually mean anything by themselves, they need context. I may not like hers, but sunshinemary has given more than you have. See her statements about hierarchy, and love flowing down from God, while respect/worship flow up†).
Islam (which is all I can see you meaning with the burkha comment) doesn’t require hating women any more than Christianity does. That so many of both do isn’t a function of religion, it’s a function of people. It’s woth noting that the sects in which that hatred is strongest are the reactionary ones, which most resent the modern world.
HOLD UP WAIT.
I am not Islamophobic. In fact, no where in the Q’ran does it suggest anyone cover themselves! That is a societal construct. I was callin Mary out. I was trying to call her a satanist, for shit’s sake. CHILL OUT I AM A FEMINIST! I LOVE ALL RELIGION! Jesus!
If you love all religion why are you hating on sunshinemary? Why are you trying to say she isn’t worshipping the god she says she believes in, but that religion’s anti-god? There is a lot to dislike, even mock, in the things she has said, and in the things she seems (from her writing elsewhere) to believe, but that’s not what you did. You made a personal attack on her, which doesn’t seem justified.
I don’t see her trolling us. I don’t see her being dishonest. I see her being vague. I see her begging questions. I see her not actually talking about scriptures, but I don’t see her not being true to her faith.
Just trying to lay the smack down on a liar mra, so I am coming from a good place.
Ends don’t justify means, and I’m not sure the things you’ve claimed she’s lying about can be called lies. She believes what she believes. There are (sadly) a lot of Christians who share similar beliefs. Saying she’s not a christian, even that she’s a satanist, doesn’t follow from your disagreement with her profession of faith.
No more than her saying Mormons aren’t Cristian. No more than lots of Christians who say Catholics aren’t. I may not like the Westboro Baptist Church. I may think their theology completely unsupportable, but that doesn’t mean I get to say they aren’t Christian. They may make other christians look bad, but that’s christianity’s cross to bear.
† this, btw is the problem with the practice sunshinemary describes, the ease with which the expectation of respect can end up with an expectation of worship.
Seems like Mary might be sticking the flounce, but I have to get this off my chest. Quite frankly, Bible or no, I can’t help but doubt a God who supposedly used his power to speak through a dude to proclaim that I am somehow not able to take care of myself by virtue of my womanness and therefore need a male caretaker to tell me what to do with my life. If God exists, and really thinks that, then quite frankly, I’m not really sure I want his brand of “love”. That’s a pretty fucked and manipulative brand of “love”.
And that’s assuming I’m not at all suspect of a stack of books written by men, mostly about men who lived hundreds and hundreds of years ago.
And I feel this should also go without saying but, Mary, sometimes you might consider folks who are on “your side”. If someone like NWO is agreeing with you, you might want to reconsider your opinion.
Re-read and find a great deal of concern trolling and passive aggressive bullshit which is inherently dishonest.
Clearly we can see why a woman should submit to the authority of their husband. Just look at the manboobz comment section. Women spouting profanities, vulgarities, being arguementative just for the sake of arguement. There’s no reason or logic, just circular emotional rage of no substance.
The thing called the burka, specifically, muslim. Bulky clothes to conceal women’s bodies that are mandatory, not really. The part that matters is the practice, not the name.