It’s amazing how daintily some manosphere dudes dance around the word “misogyny.”After spewing forth venomous woman-hating filth in post after post, they turn around and equally vociferously deny that they are in any way misogynistic – after all, they can think of three or four women in their life they don’t actively hate.
It’s strange. Men whose entire political and social philosophy is based on the hatred of women aren’t willing to say this out loud.
Over on Hawaiian Libertarian, a blog with some influence within the marginal universe of the manosphere, Keoni Galt is a bit more honest: he is proudly and openly misogynist. Not only that, but he’s convinced that others in the manosphere need to fully accept misogyny into their shrunken little hearts. And he’s written a little manifesto about it:
Misogyny is the key to male liberation from blue pill delusions. Only by embracing it, can men adopt a new paradigm in which the female of the human species has forever been knocked off of the pedestal that had been erected in our minds by institutionalized brainwashing and mass media programming.
Galt starts out with a fairly standard-issue manosphere confessional. Turns out that before he saw the light – sorry, took the red pill — he was a poor female-besotted white-knight mangina like most of the unlucky males of this world:
Back in the blue pill days, I was enchanted and mesmerized by the female gender as a whole. Tell-a-Vision and a childhood steeped in Churchianity had me forever looking at the female gender as the only bright light in a world of shit. I was indoctrinated into becoming a worshiper at the feet of the pedestal of the “sacred feminine.”
The last thing I ever wanted to become, was a misogynist. No, I bought into the delusion that the key to being accepted and gain the approval of the female herd was to become the vaunted WhiteKnight-EmotionalTampon- InTouchWithMyFeelings- LJBF-NICE GUY.
Oh dear, we have to listen to the sad, boring tale of the Nice Guy once again.
All a woman…ANY woman (not just young, attractive ones)…had to do when I was younger, was smile at me or give me a pathetic pleading look, or a nice sounding request and I was ready to do her bidding. The bat of an eyelash or a supplicating sound of her voice had me ready to ask her “how high would you like me to jump?”
I helped ladies move, “lent” them money (never asked for it back, mostly never got paid back either), given them rides, helped them with homework, built them things, fixed their cars, bought them drinks and/or meals…anything any female in my life requested, I did. “NO” was not a part of my vocabulary when it came to dealing with the opposite gender.
Helping friends isn’t a character flaw. But you’re the one who made yourself into a doormat.
I also spent many a time with groups of female friends, joining in on the “all men are pigs” type of conversations. I’ve been that “one of the girls” guy on many an occasion. (“You’re so COOL! Why can’t more guys be like YOU?!”
But, Galt assures us, he wasn’t one of those passive-aggressive, guilt-tripping dudes who tries to “nice guy” his crushes into bed.
I’m not talking about being the “nice guy” here in hopes of getting a romantic response from a particular female. These are women for whom I knew as friends, acquaintances, co-workers, colleagues etc. In other words, if it had a vagina, I said “yes dear” to any and every request, simply to live up to the expectations inculcated in my mind on how a “good man” is one who serves the feminine imperative.
My indoctrination and upbringing had trained me to seek feminine approval above anything else.
What the hell kind of “indoctrination” did you get? Did you grow up in some sort of Goddess Cult? I’ve never met a single other person who’s been “indoctrinated” in this fashion. It’s almost as though you’re exaggerating or just making shit up in such a way as to justify your present-day misogyny.
Oh, wait, you are:
I’ve come to the realization that misogyny is the inevitable antidote one must accept, after gaining an understanding of the ugly truth of the female imperative and how it works to enslave men for it’s own purpose.
Yes, the only two options for men in the contemporary world – the only two — are to either bend over backwards and do everything women ask them to do in a creepily self-abasing way while agreeing that “all men are pigs,” or to decide that women are shit. (It’s not like this is a logical fallacy or anything.)
Most women nowadays really are beneath contempt. Manipulative, conniving, self-centered and solipsistic…especially beautiful ones.
[citation needed]
I now understand that this is the result of the programming most females are inculcated with from the same mass media culture that programmed me to be a pedestal worshiper.
[citation needed]
Actually, ALL women are solipsistic and manipulative to a certain degree (AWALT). It is their very nature. The real problem is that our mass media culture encourages women to embrace it, revel in it, and use their power of attraction to manipulate for their own selfish ends. It has always been like this, I just never recognized it until the hindsight as seen through the clarity of understanding that came with taking the red pill.
You realize that what you call the “red pill” is just a slightly exaggerated and updated version of not-so-good old fashioned misogyny, which has been around since the beginnings of civilization if not earlier?
But one thing this misogynist will admit: Not all women are like that. Really. I know a few.
Dude, dude, you just literally said that ALL women ARE like that. Like, in the paragraph you just finished writing.
These are women who understand that the true path to happiness is creating a sphere of nurturing and contentment amongst her friends and family. Such women are a literal joy to be around. There contentment is infectious.
“There contentment?” If these women truly loved you, wouldn’t they help you proofread your drivel?
But for most women I meet, my baseline assumption is that they are contemptuous creatures not worthy of anything other than basic human consideration…unless and until they prove otherwise.
Well, my baseline assumption is that the dudes of the manosphere are a bunch of pompous douchenozzles. And so far, I’m not altogether happy to report, not one has provided even a shred of evidence suggesting otherwise.
So the bible, and by extension, Christians, has no answer for 7% of the population, at bare minimum? Word of an omniscient god degrades so heavily over time, apparently.
FYI, I am not really asking you for advice, because you’re following a reprehensibly stupid series of advice books, I was merely curious what the hell kind of answer I’d get. And the answer is that apparently christianity and gayness are mutually exclusive XD
Oh? What are the obvious reason?
yo, weve told you to leave the passive aggressive bullshit behind.
here’s a better end to this exchange: you should crawl back into the sewer you slithered out of.
Say what you will about sunshinemary, I have a sneaking feeling that this one will actually stick the flounce. Time will tell, though.
Manboobzers in this conversation should perhaps take note that sunshinemary doesn’t really believe in non-physical abuse, nor think that physical abuse is something that wives should be allowed divorce over: http://thewomanandthedragon.wordpress.com/2012/07/20/a-few-words-on-abuse/
Sir Bodsworth — is “I need to get to bed” really a flounce? I’m thinking sunshine will be back in the morning (oh the irony of that!)
Sharculese — hatred isn’t Christian to some of them, and by extension neither is any remotely aggressive behavior, I’m not sure sunshine is actually capable of not being passive aggressive. Best/wort part is that she probably thinks she’s a better person for “turning the other cheek” and we’re all godless heathens.
It’s amazing how many men see real friendship with a woman as a complete insult, the lowest of the low. Imagine! Help someone you like! Getting along and not getting your dick sucked in return!
Well, Rutee called it
@Jawnita:”nor think that physical abuse is something that wives should be allowed divorce over”
Of course not, because it’s just a ‘test’. God wants you to get bloodied and broken to teach you a lesson. Don’t question it, his ways are not our ways. He has reasons beyond our comprehension. Just know that you are taking that black eye for Jesus and be proud.
Gawd, I feel depressed just having typed that out.
Criminy! Sunshinemary really did not get the part about how hard hearted people are the reason that divorce is permitted. Is there a harder hearted person than an abuser? I don’t think so.
I even linked to an article with lots of advice and resources for how to unlearn passive aggressive behavior.
When I read it, I recognized some things that I’ve been doing for years that are passive aggressive. Very frustrating to admit that, because in politics (real or office) it can be an effective rhetorical technique, if you’re not completely ham-fisted about it like certain antifeminist Christian women bloggers who fart a lot.
@ Argenti – Yeah, I suppose. I misread her remark as being about her going to bed, which is often used as a cover for a flounce. We’ll see, I guess.
Sir Bodsworth — could be a flounce cover I guess, only time will tell? I prefer flounces I can score, wtf is the score for “might be passive-aggressively flouncing”?
*raises hand*
I hate to interrupt all the Christianity talk around here, but what about those of us who feel that, because we are not religious, that religious thought ought not to apply to our own personal lives? I understand if you want to believe this stuff, but there’s no way to objectively prove that women (as a whole) should be treated or behave like X, because the Bible or the Necronomicon or Greek Mythology says so.
I’d also like to mention that antagonistic writing tends to be more popular than “nod nod all around” writing. If you take a gander at a good number of popular mommy bloggers, there is a similar tone of frustration and annoyance in their points as well. So I don’t think it’s just tied to “spinsters who regret not being mommies.” It’s tied to the fact that no matter what choice you make, life is stressful and overwhelming as an adult. And so whether or not you have children, whether or not you’re a housewife or work outside the home, whether you have freckles or a club foot or a voice like a mockingbird, your life is going to have stress in it, and guess what? People enjoy reading about drama, hence blogs and articles that involve drama and complaining.
I don’t see what’s so hard for Mary to understand about this.
Nanansha: If Mary Sunshine was willing to talk about her scriptural foundations, then we might be able to investigate that, but she’s not.
SO far she’s able to tell us… nothing much; but we have to understand it’s because she’s a christian, and the bible told her so.
I’m sure she suffers under the delusion the bible is some sort of provable truth, and people like you (or even me) just need to understand that what she tells is true, and then we can be happy; the way she is happy.
“I’m sure she suffers under the delusion the bible is some sort of provable truth, and people like you (or even me) just need to understand that what she tells is true, and then we can be happy; the way she is happy.”
I’m going to assume you’re being polite there, either that or this is just Baptist idiocy (or not Catholic teachings, or something in between) — but you left out the part where anyone who isn’t living “according to the bible” is a sinner bound for hell, or more hilariously, some sort of spiritual warrior fighting for satan.
And NWO thought I might be upset he found my use of “fundie” to be an insult…
Here, BTW, is some of her teaching on the issue of happiness in marriage:
Some people will argue that divorce is allowed for any reason whatever just so long as no remarriage occurs, but I am not convinced of that. How much clearer can it be than to say a wife must not separate from her husband and a husband must not divorce his wife?
In conclusion, I think God would probably love for His children to be happy, but since we have all gone astray, He is too wise to allow us to define happiness for ourselves. Lasting happiness can be found in obeying His word and choosing to be content in whatever situation you are in.
I will never presume to know what God “wants” but I do know what God says. God says women are to be holy, not (necessarily) happy. Sisters, choose to be content in your marriages and do not give in to the temptation to chase happiness.
Got that, abuse can rise to the level that “separation” is needed, but even that is a last resort of desparation… better to choose to be content.
What does she mean by that? She quotes Philippians 4:11-13 I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. I can do all this through him who gives me strength.
If you are unhappy… don’t worry about fixing it (that, I presume, would be a failure to show the proper respect), just pray, and trust in God.
Nope, no way that could end up with a woman being abused.
I’m also disturbed by her assumption that all people are heterosexual, and that all people “ought” to get married.
Marriage was a choice between my spouse and myself- not something that some god forced on our heads. It’s also a relationship that we built together. It trivializes the hard work and love we put into it when someone comes in and goes on about how God did all the hard work and we’re just along for the ride.
Argenti: I’m going to assume you’re being polite there, either that or this is just Baptist idiocy (or not Catholic teachings, or something in between) — but you left out the part where anyone who isn’t living “according to the bible” is a sinner bound for hell, or more hilariously, some sort of spiritual warrior fighting for satan.
I don’t know enough of her worldview to be able to address it.
The various doctrines on judgement/salvation would take more time/energy than I have to begin talking about.
New MRA kid: “I know of some other MRA’s who are also either married or in relationships with women. We are not all “pompous douchenozzles”.”
FYI, you can be a pompous douchenozzle and still get someone to marry you.
Also, thanks to Rutee, I think that all references to misandry should now be made to say “THE JABBERWOCKY”. Mocking THE JABBERWOCKY. Fighting against THE JABBERWOCKY-feminists, I never learned to write because of THE JABBERWOCKY.
I am SO FUCKING SICK OF SEEING THIS I DON’T EVEN.
I discussed the study that supposedly found this with my psychology teacher at the time. What the study found was that in minor altercations where the cops were called, but no one was hospitalized, couples were overwhelmingly MUTUALLY COMBATANT — they’d hurt each other. This is where the myth comes from – bad reporting, sensationalizing on the part of media, etc. It’s xkcd jellybeans.
Also, violence that did result in hospitalization was, overwhelmingly, gendered. Against women. Perpetrated by men. Which you would know if you’ve ever read anything about IPV, ever.
“I don’t know enough of her worldview to be able to address it.”
You may’ve noticed I only give the benefit of the doubt when given a reason to.
“The various doctrines on judgement/salvation would take more time/energy than I have to begin talking about.”
Fair e-fucking-nough.
@whataboutthemoonz Could you post the study and/or any rebuttals here? Or anyone else who has it at hand. Okay, g’night. (Not flouncing, except temporarily.)
I can NOT for the life of me remember who published it. It’s been driving me irritated for MONTHS.
I am now editing a short film asking passers by in London which sex they think is more sexist, then asking further passers by what they actually have to say about men and women.
Anyone currently mocking misogyny and denying misandry exists might want to check it out.
Should men become more hostile sexist like women, or should women become more benevolent, like men?
Should the feminist establishment carry on pretending sexism is a one way problem?
Do victim-feminists, gold diggers and wh*res use more misandry than more upwardly mobile women?
– I won’t give away the results of the experiment just yet. Subscribe to my sexismbusters channel on youtube to see the film.