Over on The Spearhead, the regulars are discussing the three young men who sacrificed their own lives to save their girlfriends in the chaos of the Aurora theater shootings.
Needless to say, many of them aren’t too keen on any act of heroism that might benefit a woman.
Here are the two highest-rated comments in the comment thread. (I have bolded some of the more egregious stuff.)
Young Guy writes:
Sacrifice was once expected of men and women, but it has only been expected of men since the social contract between men and women was torn up by feminists. Most women have been told their entire lives they can have it all, and their happiness is the most important thing in the universe, so most women hate the thought of having to give up anything or putting other people before themselves. Most relationships today are one-sided, so don’t be shocked when men shun marriage or take up pumping and dumping. That might sound harsh to some people, but most women did it to themselves.
Why should I give every ounce of my being for a woman when she is one bad mood away from tossing me onto the scrap heap? I have heard the horror stories from men who worked hard to provide for their families, only for it to mean nothing to their ungrateful ex-wives. I have seen men risk life and limb to protect women they loved, only to have the women in their lives leave them or forget about their sacrifices. It has been said men have obligations while women have options in our modern world, I and agree with that statement. Most women think the world is their oyster, and everyone should cater to them. Most men understand the world is a harsh place, and no one is going to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Most women have done an excellent job pissing away all the goodwill men had towards them. I look at women my age, and I realize almost none of them are relationship material. Their entitlement is through the roof. They almost never say “thank you.” They demand chivalry even though they think they should never have to return the favor. They have been told any man who stands up for himself is guilty of abuse. It really is too much to ask of most women to be pleasant, keep the house clean, take care of the kids, and realize a relationship isn’t the Disney fairy-tale which they have been brainwashed with since birth.
Nietzsche (presumably not the ghost of the real Nietzsche) is a bit more concise:
They saved their lives so the girlfriends can be screwing other dudes in several months time…….. probably much less. Heroism is a suckers game.
These two comments each got nearly two dozen upvotes, even though the thread is still young.
Some other highlights of the thread:
Peter South agrees with Nietzsche’s assessment, but expects the girlfriends to move on even more quickly:
These young women will don black for the rest of their lives to mourn and commemorate the passing of these great fallen heroes.
Well ok they’ll be twittering, texting and yakking on their “smart phones” within a week about other guys…
But I think we can all agree that men generally make great meat shields.
Phil, meanwhile, derides the heroes as “suckers.”
Those boyfriends were suckers. These men were living in the past. The boyfriends were living in the 1700′s while modern day American women are living in feminist 2012. Modern day American women don’t live by the old social contract. The problem is men like these three don’t understand. These women will find new boyfriends and move on with their lives. The three men are dead. Gone forever. They died believing is something that doesn’t exist. It is tragic and disgusting.
Eric adds:
the grrlz who survived are probably moving on to the next cock even as we speak. And I’ll bet the types of guys they’re moving on to won’t be the type who’d take a bullet for them either.
Meanwhile, the lowest-rated comment in the thread, with more than two dozen downvotes and only 6 upvotes, is a comment from Georice81 praising the heroes, which starts off with:
The Bible says that there is no Greater Love than when a man gives up his life so that another man may live. I believe in this no matter what anyone may say, MRA or Feminist.
What these men did was heroic and defines what a true man should be. It isn’t a question of being a white knight. It is a question of being a brave man and a true man at that.
I guess the Spearheaders are only fans of traditionalism when it benefits them personally.
that’s what a fucking concern troll is
Steele: You know, I’m not convinced. I don’t deny the existence of racism, but I also think there’s a lot of projection and paranoia here. I don’t think racism is at the level being postulated by the hysterical regulars here. I actually don’t think it’s even really that bad.
No, because no one has ever treated you as anything but white. I’ve been thought of a mixed-race (my mother was married to a black man when I was in my late youth/early teens), and I got coded as, “not white” a lot.
I remember, really plainly, the time we were burgled. I was giving my statement to the police, who were being quite polite, and sympathetic, and writing everything down, until my stepfather came to the door.
Their faces went blank, and the notebook flipped shut, in the middle of a sentence, and they left. It was that fast. We went from a white family who had been burgled, to a not-white family, and it stopped mattering.
So go on, pretend we live in a post-racial world, file it with the, “pervasive misandry,” you believe has replaced.
RHW: My sole and only contention at the beginning was that pointing and laughing makes you a dick, and that many of the MRM probably have mental health issues. This was less prompted by love of MRAs than it was my dislike of the self-righteous manboobz circle-jerk.
It is concern trolling. You are telling us to shut up, because you find us too offensive. I don’t care if your concern is for the hordes of MRAs you think might be hurt by knowing I scorn them, or that it offends your petty sensibilities to know I don’t care about that.
I don’t care that you think that makes me a dick. You want to call me a dick, knock yerself out. It’s not as if I’ve never been insulted on the internet before. CrackEmcee said I was a coward, and a liar, and had no morals. Varpole says I’m a pretentious asshole, with an obtuse moronity.
NWO says I am a white knight mangina and an idiot. Meller thinks me a lackey.
You think I’m a dick. I’m sure that will change my ways.
Haha, you’ll gain about as much as you gain by ridiculing them, which is nothing, unless you value malicious satisfaction, because you gain little else from this approach. You are not going to dissuade your targets from their assholery (I daresay you’ll help entrench some of them in it), and you could highlight them in other ways, but all this you know well enough.
You mistake me. I am not doing it for them. I’m doing it for the people they might convince. They are not my audience. If I wanted to persuade them, I’d spend time on the Spearhead, or r/mensrights, or AvFM, or some other cesspit of theirs. I don’t. Because I don’t really care about tilting at that set of windmills.
You mistake them if you think the people who are willing to rant about the things they rant about aren’t already entrenched. You give me too much credit if you think my words are going to convert someone who was wobbling on the fence to jump down on the side of the MRM, just because I was a meanie.
I suppose if you’re a moral person it’s not really a question of “what do I gain?”, but rather “how should I act”?
You’re right, it is. And, as a moral person I don’t think I should coddle hateful people in the hope that my not telling them they are full of shit will make them be nicer to the people they hate.
If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, what I am I.
If not me, who? If not now, when?
Those are the sorts of things which inform my morality. That you don’t think of yourself as all that moral of a person speaks to why you think I/we ought to appease the MRM.
My dad’s been stopped by the police just once in four decades of owning a car and driving it daily.
Have a guess whether his identically-qualified and equally-achieving black colleagues were anything like as lucky.
As with your equally obtuse comments about harassment, the reason you don’t notice it is because you’re not the target. Indeed, your presence as a white male may well make it less likely to happen. So how on earth are you a reliable witness?
Steele, a short while ago you were trying to make friends with a troll who was spewing out blatantly racist bile for lulz. Of COURSE you don’t think it’s “that bad”. You’re a clueless fucking idiot who can’t see what’s right in front of your face.
That said, they often get a laugh out of the police reaction when they discover that they’ve stopped a lawyer for no good reason apart from the colour of his skin. But that’s scant compensation for the inconvenience.
To be fair, I don’t recall seeing him say he was “a lawyer.” He could be a paralegal, a legal secretary, or an investigator.
That said, I have never met, worked with, or faced off against a lawyer who wrote quite this badly. I’ve seen some pretty mangled prose come out of lawyers, but Wil is making the kind of errors that would get him sent to a remedial class because he’s not ready for freshman comp.
If I had to choose between “lawyer” or “paralegal,” though, I’d pray for lawyer. It’s possible to get away with never editing or proofreading as a lawyer if you have a good paralegal or legal secretary, but it’s unlikely anyone will ask their paralegal/secretary to edit comments they leave on blogs in their personal time. Paralegals and secretaries, however, have no excuse for writing that badly, ever – it’s their job to be obsessed with detail.
Blitzgal, I am privileged ? Really.? Black people have 1700 more rights than I do and are most likely to beat and jkill a gay man more than any other race by a long shot ,and in every state by a majority vote against LGBT rights, that is hystarical.
Dani, as I have explained earlier I am an investigator, and I earlier told a few on the comment board that I wear a fiber glass eye and have not so good vision in my other eye, and have a sight dog, due to a beating/ stabbing I took many years ago.
“I’m sure that will change my ways.”
This is not at all about you, I give not a fragment of a fuck, and much less of a fuck about changing your ways. Again you go off on these weird tangential points, this time about how I was trying to persuade you people to change, which I wasn’t. I’m aware enough to know you will not change, I just wanted to let you clowns know what you are.
“coddle hateful people ”
” appease the MRM”
Again this strange idea that I’m saying you should coddle and appease.
I just think if I was walking in the park and saw a guy scrawling rants about his ex wife on a notepad and I made sport out of it I’d be really quite a dick, and regardless of what the guy above me said about “internet diagnoses”, I think I’d be at least a little, just a liiiiitle justified in thinking he’s probably mentally ill in someway.
I am not saying that because I’d be a dick for ridiculing him, I should coddle and appease him! That I should saunter up to him and make him coffee! lol
“You mistake them if you think the people who are willing to rant about the things they rant about aren’t already entrenched.”
Actually no, and I know that for a fact. I’m not going to get into unprovable anecdotes, but Feminists have indeed helped create some MRAs, but whatever, we can go round in circles with that one.
“You mistake me. I am not doing it for them. I’m doing it for the people they might convince. ”
Well, do it in the way you see fit. I have trouble believing the level of vacuous snark you see on manboobz is going to sway an unaligned person to your side of things, but knock yourself out.
“If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, what I am I.
If not me, who? If not now, when?”
Yawn. And on that piece of snark, I’m out.
@Jawnita
No doubt. I’m Hindu myself, though, and I got no Hindu tones whatsoever, so I think that’s more because you recognized the location and not the tone that most people would get. Considering the storyline I can definitely see an argument for not sticking to the original Bane background story because of the whole South American Takeover paranoia in the States right now, but I can’t think of a worse alternative to use than Muslim Terrorist 😎
The homosexual ones don’t. Here, let me Google “intersectionality” for you.
Ah, I missed that. Makes sense.
What, again?
Why can these people never stick the flounce?
@RHW: “My sole and only contention at the beginning was that pointing and laughing makes you a dick, and that many of the MRM probably have mental health issues. This was less prompted by love of MRAs than it was my dislike of the self-righteous manboobz circle-jerk. ”
Sorry to bring up a nearly dead meme but for the life of me, all I heard from your long winded post was: “concern troll is concerned.”
A case in point: one day in Criminal Procedure, the professor was talking about racial profiling and what does and does not constitutes a “reasonable suspicion” sufficient to enable the police the stop and frisk someone lawfully. A student (a white guy from a middle-class background, naturally) made a comment along the following lines:
“Why are courts splitting hairs over this? Honestly, I don’t see what the fuss is about. Sure, cops stop and frisk people on the basis of race, and I’m not denying that’s wrong. I just don’t think it’s this huge monumental injustice that we should obsess over. A frisk takes what, like, thirty seconds! Then you can just be on your way, like nothing happened. So the cop is a racist asshole! It’s not like he shot you or anything. The law shouldn’t provide a remedy for every wrong. It’s not an ideal situation, but let’s not pretend it’s, like, a big deal or something. It’s just a stop-and-frisk.”
There was a long pause, and then the professor said:
“Mr. So-and-So, please come down here for a minute.”
The student went down to the pit, where the professor (who was a former police officer), flipped him face against the blackboard, made him hold his hands behind his head, and proceeded to give him a full pat-down, complete with the frisking of the genital area. True enough, it took about thirty seconds. Then the professor asked the student, whose face was red as a beet, whether that felt like a big deal. The student said:
“Well… Thing is, I’ve never been frisked before, so of course it feels a bit traumatic to ME. But if you live in a ghetto and you’ve been frisked numerous times …” And then his worlds trailed off because (hopefully) he realized the full import of what he was saying. And you know what? I bet you never in a million years would this guy believe he was even remotely racist.
Dani ,you are not getting it, I know there are LGBTs in every race ,and if you are black and gay in the black community the chances are much greater you will be beaten, killed ,or both. I am talking about ” the black community” has a whole, which are LGBT’s largest opponents. Black democrtates vote against LGBT rights more than white republicans.
RHW: I just think if I was walking in the park and saw a guy scrawling rants about his ex wife on a notepad and I made sport out of it I’d be really quite a dick, and regardless of what the guy above me said about “internet diagnoses”, I think I’d be at least a little, just a liiiiitle justified in thinking he’s probably mentally ill in someway.
And if dave saw that, he’d be an asshole too. But that’s not what happens here; people on the internet make public proclamations about how awful their exes are; then, as often as not, they say all women are like that.
At which point we mock them, sometimes without mercy.
Actually no, and I know that for a fact. I’m not going to get into unprovable anecdotes, but Feminists have indeed helped create some MRAs, but whatever, we can go round in circles with that one.
I am sure that’s true. But you are ignoring the first part… that the subjects of the posts we mock (i.e. the prime subjects of mockery, not the RHWs of the world who come here and ask for personal attention) are already entrenched. It’s why they rant the things they rant.
Well, do it in the way you see fit. I have trouble believing the level of vacuous snark you see on manboobz is going to sway an unaligned person to your side of things, but knock yourself out.
I guess, to spare your tender feelings, I won’t go into unprovable anecdotes either, but I know you are wrong on this part too.
RHW: I just wanted to let you clowns know what you are.
Oh… it was a long-winded, confused, attempt to insult us by saying we are pointlessly mean to misogynist assholes.
I get it now. All that stuff about how there were people with mental illness throughout the MRM and we ought to think about them, and how I’m only making things worse by making some MRA more entrenched was just window dressing.
It’s pretty sad when I can say that Varpole does a better job at insulting people than you do.
To me its equiality ,feminst are just as snarky, I think this is fair.
@Wil “which are LGBT’s largest opponents”
I have to disagree. Religious zealots are your biggest opponents.
Wil: . Black democrtates vote against LGBT rights more than white republicans.
Got examples
Okay, first off, this 1700 rights thing isn’t true, stop parroting it. Second, there are non-white gay people, you titanic asshole. You’re speaking to one. Third, you have a shit ton of rights that non-white people don’t have, you’re just refusing to take them seriously; just as straight people of color refuse to take your issues seriously. Unlike you, I have the sense to recognize it’s because you’re white, not because you’re gay.
http://jiv.sagepub.com/content/5/3/359.short
I’m gonna file that under “shit that never happened”. Fucking racist asshole. Just because black people beat you doesn’t mean that black people are the majority of perpetrators of violence against gay people.
So are white people, you racist asshole.
You wouldn’t be justified. Plenty of neurotypical people do stupid shit. IT’s almost as if people aren’t really rational, yo.
Politely not mentioning people being flaming assholes is coddling, dude XD
That is lazy-ass snark, but it fits a lazy-ass concern troll.
Exactly.
And, stating the obvious, my dad’s black colleagues did not live in a ghetto – they were lawyers, they made a decent living, and could afford decent cars. Which is the main reason why they were stopped by the police, because in their eyes there’s only one reason a black man could possibly be driving an expensive car.
Another idiot who heard the media frenzy around california’s exit polls and didn’t bother looking at the data, in other words.