Over on The Spearhead, the regulars are discussing the three young men who sacrificed their own lives to save their girlfriends in the chaos of the Aurora theater shootings.
Needless to say, many of them aren’t too keen on any act of heroism that might benefit a woman.
Here are the two highest-rated comments in the comment thread. (I have bolded some of the more egregious stuff.)
Young Guy writes:
Sacrifice was once expected of men and women, but it has only been expected of men since the social contract between men and women was torn up by feminists. Most women have been told their entire lives they can have it all, and their happiness is the most important thing in the universe, so most women hate the thought of having to give up anything or putting other people before themselves. Most relationships today are one-sided, so don’t be shocked when men shun marriage or take up pumping and dumping. That might sound harsh to some people, but most women did it to themselves.
Why should I give every ounce of my being for a woman when she is one bad mood away from tossing me onto the scrap heap? I have heard the horror stories from men who worked hard to provide for their families, only for it to mean nothing to their ungrateful ex-wives. I have seen men risk life and limb to protect women they loved, only to have the women in their lives leave them or forget about their sacrifices. It has been said men have obligations while women have options in our modern world, I and agree with that statement. Most women think the world is their oyster, and everyone should cater to them. Most men understand the world is a harsh place, and no one is going to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Most women have done an excellent job pissing away all the goodwill men had towards them. I look at women my age, and I realize almost none of them are relationship material. Their entitlement is through the roof. They almost never say “thank you.” They demand chivalry even though they think they should never have to return the favor. They have been told any man who stands up for himself is guilty of abuse. It really is too much to ask of most women to be pleasant, keep the house clean, take care of the kids, and realize a relationship isn’t the Disney fairy-tale which they have been brainwashed with since birth.
Nietzsche (presumably not the ghost of the real Nietzsche) is a bit more concise:
They saved their lives so the girlfriends can be screwing other dudes in several months time…….. probably much less. Heroism is a suckers game.
These two comments each got nearly two dozen upvotes, even though the thread is still young.
Some other highlights of the thread:
Peter South agrees with Nietzsche’s assessment, but expects the girlfriends to move on even more quickly:
These young women will don black for the rest of their lives to mourn and commemorate the passing of these great fallen heroes.
Well ok they’ll be twittering, texting and yakking on their “smart phones” within a week about other guys…
But I think we can all agree that men generally make great meat shields.
Phil, meanwhile, derides the heroes as “suckers.”
Those boyfriends were suckers. These men were living in the past. The boyfriends were living in the 1700′s while modern day American women are living in feminist 2012. Modern day American women don’t live by the old social contract. The problem is men like these three don’t understand. These women will find new boyfriends and move on with their lives. The three men are dead. Gone forever. They died believing is something that doesn’t exist. It is tragic and disgusting.
Eric adds:
the grrlz who survived are probably moving on to the next cock even as we speak. And I’ll bet the types of guys they’re moving on to won’t be the type who’d take a bullet for them either.
Meanwhile, the lowest-rated comment in the thread, with more than two dozen downvotes and only 6 upvotes, is a comment from Georice81 praising the heroes, which starts off with:
The Bible says that there is no Greater Love than when a man gives up his life so that another man may live. I believe in this no matter what anyone may say, MRA or Feminist.
What these men did was heroic and defines what a true man should be. It isn’t a question of being a white knight. It is a question of being a brave man and a true man at that.
I guess the Spearheaders are only fans of traditionalism when it benefits them personally.
And for the last time, trolls, privilege doesn’t make you a bad person. Privileged people can save your life. Privileged people can do all sorts of wonderful things, and still be privileged.
I was waiting for someone ask that question, it was 3 black females .
Dude, I dunno why you got this hard on for Straight Dudes(TM) but we aren’t a monolith. Some straight dudes are salts of the Earth, some are horse dicks, some are racist, some are homophobic, some are the most strident advocates for social justice and equality, some just wanna cool out with their friends, play a little xbox and enjoy nice, low key lives etc. etc.
Oh dear, yes, the false rape claim, dastardly weapon of women everywhere! Why, I could have marched right down to the police station the next day and said “officers, last night I had a date at a man’s house fairly late into the evening; a man that I’ve been seen flirting with by a bunch of my coworkers. He raped me!” And then they would have SENT HIM TO JAIL FOREVER.
I was kind of expecting that, given how explicitly woman-hating your more recent posts have been.
Newsflash: I know straight white guys who would happily kill a gay man.
(scariest sort of person to know, somebody who literally refuses to accept the humanity of people different from them)
Does their existence negate the existence of the men who saved you?
Or is there maybe something going on that goes deeper than identity, maybe some kind of cultural teaching that we might need to change?
It’s almost like your oversimplified narrative avoids mentioning that the number-one risk a gay man faces is from straight men. Just because that wasn’t the risk that you yourself faced.
Data is not the plural of anecdote.
guys dont argue with the poe
Awwww, but it’s so FUN!!
It happens all the time, 40% of all rape claims are false, and when I was single I dated people in public place’es for at least three moths before inviting one to my home , maybe you need to rethink your dating tactics and do back ground checks as I did.
Wil that is a horrible, horrible thing to have happen to you.
I really don’t know what to say, other than I hope that you make a full recovery, that it never happens again and that society rapidly changes so that you can feel safe.
Those were some shitty women, I’m glad that men helped you. They are heros, small wonder you hold them in such high regard. No one here is saying that men are inherently bad. We do point and laugh at the stupid shit men and women have to say. That stupid shit has nothing to do with being “unbalanced”. Its usually just pure venom directed at a group of people for no better reason than it makes the person sying it feel superior.
Citation needed. (liar)
didnt happen
So men, “pump and dump” because women are selfish?! Yeah, I’m not buying it. Don’t be blaming such dispicable behavior on women. Men who do this are the ones being selfish pigs. Look in the mirror, MRAs.
Lol @doing exactly the thing I was talking about people doing. But anyway, shouldn’t you be giving this advice to your straight dude friends? Since the women they date are going to false-rape-accuse their asses into the ground?
My wife and I agreed that some time ago – if I remember rightly, it was when Václav Havel died, and I mentioned the massive public row over him getting involved with another woman only a few months after the death of his first wife and marrying her the following year.
Granted, Olga Havlová was unusually beloved in the Czech Republic (she was the recipient of Havel’s famous ‘Letters to Olga’, one of the key dissident texts of the Communist era), but the vitriol heaped on both him and Dagmar Veškrnová seemed wildly excessive – the fact that she was an actress was considered somehow outrageous, despite Havel being a man of the theatre first and foremost.
Anyway, contrary to widespread predictions that it would all end in messy divorce (and, of course, humiliation for him through being suckered by a blatant gold-digger), their marriage lasted fourteen years and was only ended by his death. And there’s every likelihood that being in a happy marriage helped him live longer: he had several major health scares roughly a decade before he finally passed away.
My wife’s reaction, quite correctly, was that it was none of anyone else’s business, and if they were happy with their new relationship, good for them. And it was at that point that we mutually agreed that not only would we not mind if one of us found someone else quickly after the other one died, we’d actively prefer it.
@Cassandra- I live in a beach town in CA. The cost of living is VERY high, but there are a ton of people who live out in the greenbelts who sit around doing drugs all day because the weather is mild. And the police unfortunately don’t do much about it. There is private security that patrols some of the more “nasty” places, but it’s still not a true fix for the problem- they just move somewhere else, break into places, hurt people, etc. It’s a very pedestrian-friendly place, but unfortunately I often feel like I’m in a Romero zombie film. There’s a lot of shambling drug addicts patrolling the streets looking to aggressively panhandle or even rob you at knifepoint. It’s not fun.
@ Viscaria- Yeah. The risk assessment stuff really sucks, especially when you objectively KNOW that this wouldn’t be a problem if you were larger and male because you’d have a built in protection against that kind of thing. But yeah, I’m pretty much 100% sure that if I were to be hurt or victimized, someone would be right there to tell me how I must have “wanted” it or “provoked it” because I went there willingly.
in that they can’t get their heads around the notion that a woman might actually want to be with them, so assume that she must have an ulterior motive.
See when you put it like that… There’s a grain of truth. Many MRAs have successfully rendered themselves unlovable to the point where no one who’s not either economically desperate or very damaged would be in a relationship with them. The flaw in the logic is when they think it’s true of all women’s relationships with all men.
Just to be clear, I do not have ” a hard on for straight men” I am in a long term relationship with my partner who I met while serving in the AF. I have also been working at a law firm for many years and I have had some nasty confrontations with feminist comparing their plight to LGBTs and after knowing how feminist shafted LGBTs for decades I want nothing to do with linking our civil rights movement to thier full rights and wanting things that do not exsist movement. I also do not know who the “poe” is, and the person that made the statement about me having a hard on for straight men obviously has an imagination of all gay men hitting on straight men . Sorry I never even hit on a gay man, been shy my entire life.
While I’m going to side with Sharculese on the “didn’t happen”, on the slim as fuck chance that it did, that is CREEPY AS FUCKKKKK. I understand precaution, but if someone I was dating told me they ran a background check on me, it’s the equivalent of sending me a sing-a-gram with a bunch of chorus girls harmonizing “RUN MOTHERFUCKER!!! RUN!!!”
Wil, I’m a little confused at your wanting to support a movement that is blatently homophobic. The MRM movement…the best that large portions of it will say is that well, you have a penis so they will support you grudgingly so long as you don’t bring up problems that gay men specifically face. In short, its pretty much the same attitude the LGBT community still faces by certain feminist circles, the difference is..feminists are working to become more aware and inclusive.
I don’t like this new troll or his reliance on Kanin’s highly dubious, never replicated study, but I do appreciate being introduced to the use of insects as a unit of time.
@Wil
I apologize, it was a poor phrase to use with you. It’s not meant to imply that you hit on straight men but is a turn of phrase used to mean that someone is obsessed with something. Again, poor choice of words considering the circumstances, so you have my apologies.
Wil
you don’t get to whine “what about teh gaayhz” and then claim you know jack shit about feminism.
INconsistent.
Also, I did not say “straight men”, I said “Straight Men(TM)” to denote this highly valorized, incredibly narrow definition you seem to have for how straight men are and behave
Kinda weird to read people fearing just going out. It’s so far away from my experiences as can be, but then again I also come from a different place. I’ve never thought that I could be blamed for something that happened to me, and I’m for example an avid couchsurfer and met my partner when I surfed to his couch years ago… thinking back it could have ended badly. But despite being “reckless” in my trust of people the “worst” that ever happened was a guy whom I thought a good friend gave me a surprise kiss as I was saying goodbyes at the bus station to him. I guess the MRAs would say he got “friendzoned”, but I just wasnt attracted to him and sorry, those things can’t be forced. It is kinda funny given I’m prone to other sort of accidents (which usually involve various body parts getting mangled or property, electronics in particular, being destroyed). It’d be just my luck to trust someone and live to regret it.
it means your a fake reactionary trolling attention by saying made up shit
which you are, so stop whining for being called on it