Over on The Spearhead, the regulars are discussing the three young men who sacrificed their own lives to save their girlfriends in the chaos of the Aurora theater shootings.
Needless to say, many of them aren’t too keen on any act of heroism that might benefit a woman.
Here are the two highest-rated comments in the comment thread. (I have bolded some of the more egregious stuff.)
Young Guy writes:
Sacrifice was once expected of men and women, but it has only been expected of men since the social contract between men and women was torn up by feminists. Most women have been told their entire lives they can have it all, and their happiness is the most important thing in the universe, so most women hate the thought of having to give up anything or putting other people before themselves. Most relationships today are one-sided, so don’t be shocked when men shun marriage or take up pumping and dumping. That might sound harsh to some people, but most women did it to themselves.
Why should I give every ounce of my being for a woman when she is one bad mood away from tossing me onto the scrap heap? I have heard the horror stories from men who worked hard to provide for their families, only for it to mean nothing to their ungrateful ex-wives. I have seen men risk life and limb to protect women they loved, only to have the women in their lives leave them or forget about their sacrifices. It has been said men have obligations while women have options in our modern world, I and agree with that statement. Most women think the world is their oyster, and everyone should cater to them. Most men understand the world is a harsh place, and no one is going to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Most women have done an excellent job pissing away all the goodwill men had towards them. I look at women my age, and I realize almost none of them are relationship material. Their entitlement is through the roof. They almost never say “thank you.” They demand chivalry even though they think they should never have to return the favor. They have been told any man who stands up for himself is guilty of abuse. It really is too much to ask of most women to be pleasant, keep the house clean, take care of the kids, and realize a relationship isn’t the Disney fairy-tale which they have been brainwashed with since birth.
Nietzsche (presumably not the ghost of the real Nietzsche) is a bit more concise:
They saved their lives so the girlfriends can be screwing other dudes in several months time…….. probably much less. Heroism is a suckers game.
These two comments each got nearly two dozen upvotes, even though the thread is still young.
Some other highlights of the thread:
Peter South agrees with Nietzsche’s assessment, but expects the girlfriends to move on even more quickly:
These young women will don black for the rest of their lives to mourn and commemorate the passing of these great fallen heroes.
Well ok they’ll be twittering, texting and yakking on their “smart phones” within a week about other guys…
But I think we can all agree that men generally make great meat shields.
Phil, meanwhile, derides the heroes as “suckers.”
Those boyfriends were suckers. These men were living in the past. The boyfriends were living in the 1700′s while modern day American women are living in feminist 2012. Modern day American women don’t live by the old social contract. The problem is men like these three don’t understand. These women will find new boyfriends and move on with their lives. The three men are dead. Gone forever. They died believing is something that doesn’t exist. It is tragic and disgusting.
Eric adds:
the grrlz who survived are probably moving on to the next cock even as we speak. And I’ll bet the types of guys they’re moving on to won’t be the type who’d take a bullet for them either.
Meanwhile, the lowest-rated comment in the thread, with more than two dozen downvotes and only 6 upvotes, is a comment from Georice81 praising the heroes, which starts off with:
The Bible says that there is no Greater Love than when a man gives up his life so that another man may live. I believe in this no matter what anyone may say, MRA or Feminist.
What these men did was heroic and defines what a true man should be. It isn’t a question of being a white knight. It is a question of being a brave man and a true man at that.
I guess the Spearheaders are only fans of traditionalism when it benefits them personally.
Dude, unless ur skin colour is gay, I don’t see how you’re not more privileged than a gay black man. Unless your gender is gay, I don’t see how you aren’t more privileged than a black trans woman. I could go on, but I’m sure youl just see jetstreams from our points anyway.
What the hell is this “we”? Wil, as a fellow white gay guy I beseech you, please stop being a giant toolbag.
I do not know how many times I have to repeat this, but I am not drunk, because I never drink since that night many years ago ,and I am missing one eye and the other eye has poor vision and I even need a guide dog.
And, as a white urban professional, you’re clearly a better judge of racism than us hysterical, coloured folk!!
No, I think I’m a better judge than you all, personally, because I think most of you are, personally, hysterical morons.
I don’t see why I should automatically accept the word of minorities on racism. A lot of coloured folk are idiots, QED, Boobzland. I can appreciate that they may have somewhat more insight, on average, but that doesn’t necessarily translate into being right 100% of the time, again, QED, Boobzland. This type of thing sounds a lot like religious faith to me, actually, and I’m an atheist.
Also, I am looking all over the place for this parking lot assault and am finding jack.
Granted this happened in Florida and I am finding a number of similar stories involving assault by groups of men, but I feel like something would have popped up since it involved three women assailants.
Yes I am a 4th generation atheist and never sufferd due to it.
What is this 1700 state and federal rights? What does that mean?
Wil,
Okay thanks for clearing that up.
It happend in 1989, and gay bashing was not even news back then,oh but for god sake, if a women got hit or a black person was beaten by a white man it would have been headlines.
@blitzgal
http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2011/apr/17/bill-fischer/same-sex-marriage-advocate-says-full-marriage-equa/
” I don’t see how you’re not more privileged than a gay black man.”
Gay black men never get assaulted, right? They can get married, adopt, are never discriminated against and can visit their partners in hospitals everywhere in the USA, right?
I never ever said I was less privileged than a black gay man,,,not once!
@RHW
The vast majority of people with mental disabilities of all sorts are capable of not treating more than half the human race like complete shit. If there are such people who are incapable of not being assholes, that could be an argument for keeping them away from society at large, rather than forcing the rest of society to cope with their abuse. So yeah, your statement about these people probably having mental problems? Way insulting to other people with mental disabilities who still manage to be decent human beings.
It’s because we think nobody should be treated like how these guys think women and minorities deserve to be treated that we mock them. It’s because we think that every human being, regardless of mental status, should be capable of more decency than that.
Same for gay women, black, white or other. How many rights have they that you don’t?
I never stated lesbians, gay men or transgender of any race is not in the same place as I am, but when straight people of color and white women start whinning I just do a face palm and walk away.
You know, Varpole, most people grow out of the “if I can’t see it, it doesn’t exist” phase by age two.
“I don’t see why I should automatically accept the word of minorities on racism. A lot of coloured folk are idiots, QED, Boobzland. ”
READERS, I PROUDLY PRESENT: A MEN’S RIGHTS ACTIVIST!
He’s clearly a civil rights person.
Why are ya’ll so hard on him?
(Seriously, man, with dolts like you, no wonder your movement won’t be taken seriously. And fuck off, thinking you are the expert on my experience as a PoC. Just…fuck off.)
More pay isn’t significant? Better hiring, promotion, odds aren’t significant?
Not being dismissed by society at large isn’t significant? Not being reduced to sexual satisfaction isn’t significant? Not being trained to be passive isn’t significant? Having social rules advantage you as a rule isn’t significant?
None of those things are actually true.
Wil. Listen. Please.
I am straight. If my partner and I ever choose to get married, we can do that easily, legally, and without expecting to take shit from others about how icky we are. No one protests our relationship or accuses us of destroying society. We do not have to be afraid to hold hands in public. In these ways, I am privileged. That doesn’t make me a bad person. It is not a thing I did, or a thing that is my fault – it is, in fact, a thing I strongly oppose. But it is a thing that exists, and that it would be stupid of me to deny.
You are male. When you are speaking, you do not have to be concerned that your opinions are being dismissed because you are “hysterical” or “on the rag.” You probably do not worry about whether your clothing will give people the “wrong idea” every time you go out in public. You can expect to be paid more than me for similar work. In these ways, you are privileged. That doesn’t make you a bad person. It is not a thing you did. It is, nonetheless, a thing that exists, and that it would be stupid of you to deny.
Both of us are white. We are less likely to get pulled over by police than POCs. If convicted of a crime, we are likely to get a shorter sentence than a POC would have. If we are walking home through the suburbs at night carrying nothing more threatening than a bag of Skittles, we do not have to be particularly afraid that someone will shoot us and that large swaths of society will declare we were probably a criminal who had it coming based solely on the color of our skin. In these ways, we are privileged. Again, not a thing we did.
Neither of us are fully able-bodied. We may not be able to do certain things other people take for granted. Certain public spaces may not accommodate our needs. We are less likely to be hired for jobs, and more likely to pay excessively for medical care. In these ways, we are NOT privileged. Again, not a thing we did.
Virtually everyone has some privileges. Virtually everyone lacks others. Saying that you have privileges is not an insult, and it’s certainly not synonymous with “you have ALL THE PRIVILEGES.” I get the benefits of being straight, of being white, of being cisgendered, no matter how much I wish those things did not confer privilege in our society, and my obligation as a decent person is not to feel guilty for that privilege or to blame myself for its existence. My obligation as a decent person is simply to acknowledge that those privileges exist and work to change the way our society functions so that everyone can have the respect and opportunities they deserve.
Also, Wil is obviously a poe, but I digress…I’ve heard their line of bullshit before back when Prop 8 was passed…it’s just as fucking stupid now as it was then, and yes there is homophobia in the black community…it’s just that Wil is not an expert on any of that whatsoever (or, as it’s becoming apparent, anything, really).
Well, we speak from the racism that we ourselves, experience, that our friends and family experience, that millions of coloured folk around the country speak out about and that statistics and news stories bear out for us. Where’s the white Amadou Diallo? Where’s the white Sean Bell? Where’s the white Trayvon Martin? Where is your evidence that we’re just whining little babies that have nothing better to do?
Less pay has lot to do with a person’s choice of what college degree he or she chooses and what career . So much research has been done on that and it has shown that it is due to education and career choice,. My father was a scientist & mom was a lawyer, they both made a great choice. If you feel you are doing the same job at the same level as a man and the same amount of hours and years and you are getting paid less, that is what the courts are for.
Nikan: I have a hard time believing these stories, they always come up and often are wrong. Is there any more evidence than their mere assertions? I believe, since modern ballistics require ammunition to be able to penetrate >12 inches of soft tissue, it seems improbable that you can save a person this way.
[dons US Army trained armorer’s helmet]
The shorter answer to this is you don’t know what you are talking about.
There is no such thing as, “modern ballistics” in terms of bullet behavior; esp. not in terms of, “requirements”.
The terminal response (i.e. effect from the moment of impact to the point at which the round stops moving) is dependent on so many variables that prediction is only sort of possible.
What was the velocity at impact? That depends on the powder driving the bullet down the barrel, and the barrel length, as well as the bullet weight (for the weapon in question it’s, more or less, about 1/11th of an ounce).
What was the bullet design? Was it frangible? Will it break up on impact with flesh. In the bullet’s terminal path did it encounter any deflective objects (that’s professionalspeak for clothing, pocket contents and bones). On such a contact did the bullet deform?
In point of fact it’s pretty easy for a lightweight, jacketted round with a cavity in the tip; travelling at high velocity, to just sort of disintegrate when it hits muscle tissue. This causes a much more traumatic injury.
Police/home defense rounds can be made to travel through hard things (such as glass) and then turn themselves into a fragmenting object when they contact tissue (some do it from the heat energy of friction with muscle). Some of the more practical (for shooting inside buildings) will disintegrate on contact with any sort of object; more rigid one will cause this at the moment of contact, less rigid just after.
The shooter was using a member of the AR-15 family (as I understand it), There are a significant number of rounds designed for it, which are meant to “explode” on contact, it being a moderately popular round for “Varminting” where you have a very small target, and you need to transfer a lot of energy in a very short period of time.
That’s rifles. Pistols, being meant for a completely different sort of target, tend to have a depth into flesh of somewhere between 3″ and 40″, again dependent on all the aforementioned variables.
Since you can’t know what’s being shot at you, (nor just where it will hit), shielding someone with your body can be effective. It is certainly better than nothing, should you be trying to defend someone passively.
/amorer’s helmet.
Hmmmm I thought all this time the greatest percentage of murder was black on black , hmmmI guess my stats are wrong once again 🙂 The greatest percentage of dead beat daddies is also in the black community along with prison stats.
You are male. When you are speaking, you do not have to be concerned that your opinions are being dismissed because you are “hysterical” or “on the rag.” You probably do not worry about whether your clothing will give people the “wrong idea” every time you go out in public. You can expect to be paid more than me for similar work. In these ways, you are privileged. That doesn’t make you a bad person. It is not a thing you did. It is, nonetheless, a thing that exists, and that it would be stupid of you to deny.
As has been amply demonstrated, women are the privileged gender in Western society; Wil, I invite you to point and laugh at a succinct summary of Boobzland’s delusion.
You can expect to be paid more than me for similar work.
This is, particularly, a vile, misandrist lie. In fact, if you are young and childless (I suspect you are), you can in fact expect to be paid more than your male counterparts.