What’s the deal with MRAs and urinals? You may recall the highly touted “URLs @ urinals” campaign from last year, a plan to plaster little posters over urinals in public bathrooms to lure peeing men to Men’s Rights websites; evidently the way to a man’s heart is through his urethra?
Then there was that big to-do in the Men’s Rights subreddit when a Canadian restauranteur removed a urinal shaped like a woman’s lips after some feminists complained about it.
Oh, and who can forget GirlWritesWhat’s weird FemRA lament that men hanging out in men’s bathrooms can’t even bitch about women any more due the encroachment of evil mangina language police. (Note: Men in public bathrooms do not actually talk to one another.)
Well, now the MRA videoblogger who goes by the nom-de-internet of ManWomanMyth has weighed in on the Urinal Problem in a long and rambling blog post titled, and I am not making this up, “Urinals – a genesis for male psychology?”
MWM (let’s just call him that) argues that “male spaces” have been so encroached upon by evil feminists that men have no place they can truly call their own.
Why are female spaces inviolate and male spaces forcibly opened to females?
Why are males spaces not seen to be equally as important as female spaces?
I’ll tell you why, it’s because under our Feminist governance, anything that maintains or leads to any concept of male camaraderie or the enhancement of male self-awareness is actively attacked and suppressed. It’s vital in our society to strip men of their identity as ‘men’ so that they can be assaulted in the myriad ways. …
By preventing the development of male-bonding and understanding between men (which is difficult enough, even under the best of circumstances) men are successfully kept isolated from each other and more easily used and abused.
Seriously, he’s got a point here. If you look at the various photos of corporate Boards of Directors I gathered together in this old post, you’ll notice that a couple of them even have some ladies in them!
So what does this have to do with urinals? MWM explains:
This is where urinals-in-the-home comes in. …
By installing one in your home, what I think is being done is making a claim to a portion of space and making that claim based solely on the fact of your manhood.
Only men can successfully stand up to pee, women have no choice but to sit down. This is a point of difference that has little relevance in normal daily life, but has every relevance to male psychology.
You see, the urinal is just for you as a man. It’s impossible for her to use it. It’s for you. For your son. For your male friends.
In other words, MWM thinks that men (cis men, anyway) should have them installed in their bathrooms for no other reason than that (cis) woman can’t use them. In your face, bitches! Try peeing in THIS! YOU CAN’T!!
Though I should note that this does not stop women from trying, as this album cover from the 1970s clearly documents:
MWM goes on to explain the logic behind this new crusade:
There is no means by which the exclusive use of the urinal can be taken away from you by any claims of unfairness or any other irrational female claim.
There can be no quotas for the female use of urinals; there can be no Presidential Council for Women and Girls calling for more ‘Women into Urinals’; the UK Minister for Women could create no tax-payer funded programme to encourage girls to be the same as men and use urinals.
It’s yours because you are male and can only remain yours.
Now you might ask yourself, why the fuck would anyone care about this? MWM has an answer to that question as well:
Why is this important?
I think that this is an example of a beginning, a genesis for male self-awareness. Particularly if you have a young boy in the household. It could well be the first thing and perhaps even the only thing he will ever encounter in his young life that is not ‘equally’ open to girls and there is no ‘equalities’ agency that can do anything about it.
Most boys grow up today having to play every sport and share every activity with girls and woe betide him if he seeks to win or is too aggressive. …
The urinal could be the only thing in his life that is for him and exclusively for him and others who are like him in only one essential way: they are also male. …
This is a little space in the bathroom, a little space in his life, where his sister can’t go and doesn’t want to go and couldn’t go if she did want to. It’s off limits because she is not male. …
A urinal is not particularity interesting in itself, but it may well be a first step in the development of a sense of self for boys and men that otherwise typically never happens or else is savagely crushed in men. A catalyst towards a sense of what it means to be male and a first seed of understanding of the essential difference between the sexes which goes beyond mere anatomy. …
This is where anti-misandry starts.
While all this is very moving, I don’t think it goes far enough. Consider the Home Pregnancy Test. This is something that woman can pee on, but men can’t – at least not without being ridiculed by society for peeing on such a girly thing.
Wait, you might say. If (cis) men get urinals to pee on, why can’t (cis) women have these little sticks that they can pee on? Because these pregnancy tests involve little chemical strips that CHANGE COLOR when you pee on them, depending on whether or not you’re pregnant. Urinals don’t change color! And that’s not FAIR!
STICKS FOR DICKS!
Now THAT’S where anti-misandry really starts!
Shade — …I have no excuse, none at all, the kitties are awesome.
If there is a light switch or electrical outlet on the wall you can take off the cover to see which side the stud is and do the measuring thing to locate the rest of them on that wall. Not foolproof but fairly reliable.
Mommy-why not just get a urinal that has a base on the floor. Then there would be no need for any real support on the wall.
I used a stud finder once, but I could only locate geldings.
Geldings? So you want to castrate men too you misandrist!
Urinals are really quite gross if they aren’t cleaned regularly. Way worse than regular toilets. What an impractical way to show your manhood.
creativewritingstudent — pun-y, though that was apparently lost on JeanM (either that or JeanM is trying to make a funny and failing in comparison)
afaik the in floor urinals require the floor to be redone, or not yet installed, you can’t lower the urinal below the level of the finished floor. Even if they sit atop the finished floor though, they’d still need wall support and 18″+ of wall space (on a plumbed wall).
…Do urinals not get cleaned? In public bathrooms, I mean.
As previously mentioned women can learn to stand to pee, not everyone can do it due to anatomy issues but a lot of women (including trans women who have had lower surgery and also anybody with FAAB-style anatomy) can. You can learn to do it here: http://ganimede.transboys.info/stp.html
In some parts of the world women standing is the norm. My one friend’s mom, who grew up in rural Mexico, did it all the time when she was younger. Apparently this is also the norm in some areas of Africa and Southeast Asia and possibly in various places in antiquity.
Men standing to pee isn’t universal either, in a lot of places it’s normal for both genders to squat while doing any sort of elimination. If I remember correctly Muslim men are usually taught to pee sitting because it’s considered unclean to do it the other way.
It’s funny that today’s main post is about peeing- my daughter is finally almost completely potty trained and as far as I’m concerned, It’s a lot easier to train a little boy to pee in a public toilet- just put down a liner on the seat, have him stand up on the lid, and point his penis into the toilet. Because my daughter has to sit to pee (otherwise that little kid butt flops right into the full size toilet!), I have to come armed with wipes and lysol to wipe down most public toilets so she can sit down properly. Most urinals are made for full-size men, and little boys would either have to have a special step-stool (which is generally not provided in bathrooms) or would have to be held up by someone else. So aren’t urinals SIZIST against very short men and little boys as well?
DKM: Why not custom-tailored urinals where the face of your most notorious feminist womanbeinghateful is painted onto the surface where you can aim, every time you unrinate. You can relieve yourself and vent your anger at castrating manhaters at the same time!
Tell me there is no market for this!
You want “misogyny”? Here is misogyny!
You are for the first time ever, DKM Shitforbrains, CORRECT!
That is, your last sentence is correct.
The first part is as usual wrong: there are already urinals made out of all parts of women’s bodies (in fact, the idea of just the face is so LACKING compared to what is out there that it appears you really are sheltered) for sale.
And despite all the shrieks of misandry–NO toilets made in the shape of men’s bodies.
EVIDENCE: You know, the stuff Trollz never provide:
Google Search urinals shaped like women’s bodies Look at the results.
This is my favorite (and the first link under the search linked to above:
Sociological blog images and brief analysis–URINALS SHAPED LIKE WOMEN’S BODIES
There are apparently no toilets shaped like men’s bodies.
Eat shit and die, DKM!
@Ithiliana- I think the closest thing you could find would probably be toilet paper with Saddam Hussain’s face on it or Hitler or something like that. I know it exists- I think I saw it in the storefront of one of those novelty shops. But I’m not paying an assload of money for one roll of joke toilet paper with someone’s face on it. Besides, I prefer that extra soft Charmin stuff for my sensitive bits. XD
DKM, for those of you who have only recently begun to peruse Manboobz, believes that women are at fault for making men hit, or kill, them.
Actually, if he did have shit for brains, he’d probably be better off, critical thinking wise, than he is now.
My invariable quote for when he shows up: the comments that got him on moderation last time.
DKM:
You don’t get it, do you, DKM? The only “nonsense gibberish” is your maunderings about how if kittens (or presumably any other pets) or WOMEN don’t behave, they should be punished–and men who kill women are driven to it.
Your words. Live with them:
The whole “male spaces” thing seems like such a bad misunderstanding of “women’s spaces.” It’s interpreting the important part as the exclusion of the other gender, not the things that you can actually get done with members of your own gender.
If you want your own space just to piss in and do nothing useful, just so nobody else can piss there… You’re missing several points at once.
Argenti:
How the fuck do they work?
(Someone had to say it)
Christine:
Stud finders or MRAs?
Nanasha:
That was my first thought when he started talking about how it was for boys, that little boys wouldn’t be able to reach the urinal. I didn’t think about short adults, although it’s kinda obvious in retrospect, but I did think about people with paraplegia and other disabilities that would prevent them from using a urinal.
You’d think that with all dangerous jobs that only men do and all the workplace accidents because of all the misandry, that the MRM would be more worried about people with disabilities.
@ Myoo
That occurred to me too. For all their talk about wanting to help little boys, it’s pretty obvious that most of these guys have never actually taken care of a little boy.
So aren’t urinals SIZIST against very short men and little boys as well? – Nanasha
I’ve seen places before where they have urinals of varying heights (and sizes). They aren’t the norm I don’t think, but they do exist (at least over here in the UK, I obviously can’t speak to other places).
Dear god, what Meller’s saying is bad enough, but his tone is all “calm yourselves, little ladies, and let me explain all the ways in which you are wrong, and when you understand we can put a gold start on your sticker chart, wont that be nice?”
Wanker.
@Myoo
My Dad’s quadruplegic. He uses the disabled loo, or a bottle, or (in utmost emergencies) the gutter.
I now have the mental image of him trying to use a urinal, and his PA holding his leg up onto it, and all the other men glaring at them because they’re taking up the entire men’s loos to do so. Assuming he doesn’t get his wheelchair jammed going in.
Urinals don’t change color! And that’s not FAIR!
Color-changing urinals? Sure, why not. I can think of several ways to make that happen, if you can promise me that the MRA market is worth tapping. Last thing I want is a warehouse full of novelty urinals and a bunch of guys on reddit going ‘cool, maybe I’ll buy it…someday.’
I think such a thing exists. It reacts to amonia and changes colour according to how much amonia is sprayed on it. It would be like a rainbow formed by piss! You can even see the most popular pee trails.
Is the reaction permanent? Because I was thinking temperature-sensitive, so that you made your mark and then afterwards it cools back to plain so that the next guy has a clean slate, so to speak.
I have honestly no idea. I tripped over it during my relentless search for random trivia and bizarre gifs.
I think heat-sensitive would probably best for home use. I had the misfortune of living last year with an otherwise nice chap with some terrible hygene habits, one of which was leaving disturbing yellow stains around the inside of the bowl…
(His other was pinching my plates for his food and then leaving them unwashed for months. His crockery was in the box filled with broken crockery coated in dust and mouldy food…
Oh, and he used my cups as ashtrays. Never, ever living with a smoker again.)