Yep, that’s right, the “clopping” sound of high heels are a form of “street harassment.” I found the screenshot above on a promising new blog you can find at MensRightsActivism.com. Yep, that’s right. Evidently it never occurred to anyone in the Men’s Rights movement to lock down that domain name.
Oh, this little Reddit screenshot is good too:
How exactly does saying “consent is sexy” mean that male consent is taken for granted? How is it that 59 people thought that comment deserved an upvote?
I can’t answer either question, but there’s lots more hilarious and appalling stuff where that came from, mostly from the Men’s Rights subreddit. It’s going in the “antidotes to boobery” blog roll.
I don’t hate Ruby; not enough substance. I do think Ruby is an ignorant git, and perhaps the most boring of the narcissists who show up seeking a share of the troll house cookies y’all bake up so nicely.
A “very good chance of landing in prison” if accused of rape? Have you ever even looked at the statistics? Of the rapes that get reported, most don’t even result in an arrest. Of those who are arrested, many are never prosecuted. Of those who are prosecuted, many are not convicted. So, basically, fuck off.
http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates
Maybe you should send David an email, Ruby. Ask him if he thinks “evil” men getting raped is funny. See what kind of response you get.
And I’m sorry if I sound full of myself for saying I’m a “sexy woman.” Between that and the “pearly white skin” comment yesterday, I probably sound like a conceited asshole. Again, I’m sorry.
Oh, and for the record Rubes, I don’t hate you. You’re not important enough. I am, however, thoroughly disgusted by you.
I think you’re hypocritical, disingenuous and a massive creep. At this point I think the only reason you come here is for the chance to get off on your imagined superiority.
No, the hate started when you said that poor people shouldn’t get proper health care and should just stop eating fast food. People told you repeatedly about how poor people die without proper health care, and how hard it is to have a nutritionally balanced diet when poor. Personal experiences and scientific data were presented to you and you simply ignored it and continued to spout your bullshit, thereby showing complete disregard for poor people’s well-being.
And yet, people gave you far more leeway than you deserved after that. But then you linked to a forum where you defended prison rape and said it was funny. And when people pointed out to you that no, it’s not funny, that nobody deserves to be raped, you just stuck to your horrible views.
So no, it’s not because you’re a libertarian, it’s because you espouse cruel, inhumane views and then you just post fluff comments like nothing ever happened.
Yeah, no. Almost all the people I know who identify as libertarians are assholes, but a very select few are non-assholes who just have a different notion than I do as to what needs to be done to make the world a better place. I don’t hate them, though I might debate passionately with them. The asshole ones, I dislike for being assholes, not for being libertarians.
You’re one of the asshole libertarians, Ruby. “I don’t want the poor to die without healthcare, but as a libertarian I see it as a better option than socialized healthcare. Anyway, maybe they should stop all being fat slobs, and also pull themselves up by their bootstraps!” is not something just any libertarian would say. Many libertarians would propose other methods of healthcare delivery for the poor, or explain their (typically far too optimistic, imho) theories about how a freer society would not have the same level of economic inequality as ours. No, casually shrugging off the deaths of others because you blithely assume that, as one of the Good People, you’ll never face abject poverty; that’s something only an asshole libertarian would do.
But that’s not why you’re so unpopular here, Ruby. You’re universally disliked because you are pro-rape, as long as it’s the rape of the Bad People; and then you pretend like it’s no big deal.
What would that have to do with an evopsych-spouting fool who is perfectly fine with the deaths of the poor and the mass suffering of ‘criminals’, and who then dishonestly misrepresents the label as being the problem, not the views underlying it?
Ninja’ed by the charming and talented Myoo.
Cliff has covered this in the past, but nobody who thinks tacitly state-sanctioned rape as an acceptable (and hilarious) form of punishment has no business calling themselves a libertarian.
“OH…OH…..WE HATE RUBY….OH THAT FEELS SO GOOD!….YES, YES…..YES!!!
Hategasm. LOLOLOL!”
That is just disgusting, worse than NWO or DKM, DKM might go on about his “little lady lovelies” but doesn’t type up feigned orgasms. Can we please get rid of her?
To everyone else, you’re right, my usage of hate was too strong a term, she disgusts me, but I don’t hate her.
But don’t they know that men are just as able to wear cloppy (aka “sexy look at me”) shoes? My husband has a pair of men’s boots that clop like crazy and I for one find it immensely appealing. Plus it is basically impossible to sneak up on someone with cloppy shoes, so I highly recommend that misogynist assholes get some. Maybe the noise of the shoes will drown out their hideous catcalls.
Speaking of cloppy shoes, I would like to see a season of Ru Paul’s Drag Race with entirely straight drag queens. That’d be great.
/not related to anything but more interesting than Ruby
I know I’m more of a lurker but wasn’t rudy’s demotion to troll straight up stated during the 500 comment conversation where she professed her love for prison rape.
fishes — that fits with my memory, yeah. Before the prison rape thread there’d been some comments on how she really wasn’t as bad as DKM, NWO, etc and thus shouldn’t have her ev-psych thrown at her every time she comments…then she dug in deep in favor of prison rape and got demoted to troll. I’m not sure the comment that first called her a troll was that thread, but it was because of that thread.
Gods that fake orgasm comment is disgusting, even compared to the usual from DKM, NWO, etc.
Am I the only person who thinks that “ha ha the rapist gets raped IN PRISON” seems to be tied to this prevalent cultural belief that the current state of things is how it WILL ALWAYS BE and there is no way to stop rape from happening (which is patently FALSE)?
Because you know what I’d rather see then a rapist go to jail and be punished? I’d rather that people not rape other people IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I don’t give a shit about revenge against the guy who raped me. I just wish he DID NOT THINK THAT RAPE WAS AN OPTION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
You can’t stop rape with the threat of more rape.
Trigger warning on this comment, just to be safe, for discussions of how rape can occur.
@ grampmk
Women can, and do, sexually harass men in the workplace, at school, and in other venues. It is much less common than the reverse, but it does happen and it is important to recognize and respond to it, rather than thinking it never happens.
Similarly, men can be raped not just by other men but by women. Female on male rape is rare, but believing it simply can’t happen is false. A man can be threatened into compliance, drugged, or overpowered, and can be penetrated or forced to penetrate. See line above about recognizing and responding versus pretending the problem does/can not exist.
@Alex- this is why sexual harassment training goes over all sorts of sexual harassment. It is non-gender or sex specific because it can happen to ANYONE, even though it was more likely to happen to women in the past simply because of how the workforce used to be dominated by men. At my work they did a sexual harassment training where they explained a situation in which a bunch of women supervisors were interviewing a male applicant for a job and they were using sexual innuendo and sexist language implying that because he was a male, he would be excluded from the hiring process. In this situation, the man was able to successfully sue for sexual harassment and discrimination because of the situation.
Men can be raped. Women can be rapists. But we also must take a look at predator theory and how people who predate tend to pick on weaker targets. This is why most predator women will not predate on a strong, young self-confident man. They will go after teens or young boys, or alternatively, senior men. They go after people who are weak, because that is what a predator does, male or female. The fact that men have a biological larger size, more muscle density and bone mass than women simply makes predator men have access to a wider range of victims. It does not necessarily mean that men are predators by default. It is a question of strong predator looking to take advantage of social and cultural norms that normalize abusive behaviors against weak victims.
Obviously, this does not mean that it’s “ok” for anyone to abuse anyone else, but it does mean that women are disproportionately the victims of abuse at the hands of men, the elderly are disproportionately the victims of abuse at the hands of adult men and women and children are disproportionately the victims of abuse by EVERYONE.
Abuse sucks, so let’s put a stop to it. I’m tired of pissing contests where people try to play “who has it worse” as though it excuses abuse towards a specific group of people.
grampmk: The only way a man is going to be raped is by some big dude named Bubba in prison.
Wrong. Lack of consent is rape, no matter who it is who failed to get consent.
Rape is rape; and the back-handed prison rape jokes And as they say, the devil is in the details. And for the man involved, he has a very good chance of landing in prison, where he will for sure be raped. And that will happen whether he is guilty of rape or falsely accused and convicted.
Not on. really not on. Not funny, not appropriate, and not wanted.
Rape, no matter who does it, nor when, nor where, nor to whom, is unacceptable. If you want to sit in the corner of the shun-worthy with Ruby, that’s your right. It’s up to you.
Nanasha, I agree. From grampmk’s comments, it didn’t seem that he understood any of that. I wanted to make sure it was addressed.
Because, you know… http://xkcd.com/386/
To put it another way, if someone shits on my birthday cake, and you come up to me and say, “Yeah, that sucks, but it’s TOTALLY ALL RIGHT because I just went over and SHAT on the birthday cake belonging to the person who shat on YOUR birthday cake! Don’t you feel better now?”
No. No, I don’t. It just makes for a world full of more shit-cakes.
Apparently even thinking to register the domain name that corresponds to their movement is too much for Mens Rights “Activists”. Feminism.com isn’t great or anything, but that movement does have the disadvantage in that respect in having started long before the internet.
I’m pretty sure the loudest heels are taller cowboy heels or cuban heels, as found on male-coded cowboy boots and chelsea boots. Not quite as high-pitched as the “click” from thinner heels, but louder. Are mods and cowboys inherently misandrist ?
Any sort of “harassment” that amounts to “people I want to have sex with are announcing that they exist and aren’t currently available for sex WITH ME RIGHT NOW” isn’t really sexual harassment. If it were sexual harassment, they’d care about getting it from dudes too, or at least pretend to.
Anyway, apparently my day-to-day shoes are incredibly misandrist. I’m more active as a feminist than I thought!
re female on male rape: I’ll wager it’s much less reported than its rate of occurrence. Because I know of cases of it. Cases where the male partner wasn’t in the mood, and the female partner was; and insisted until he gave in.
It wasn’t willing consent. It may not have been traumatic, but it was rape. I can say that, for all the lack of trauma; from reports, there were effects on the later sex life. Issues with (wait for it) reactions to a sense of pressure, which killed the mood.
Rape, is lack of, freely given, consent.
The whole “women making me notice that they are sexy is bad” thing is one of the ways I think that MRAs really diverge from the background sexism in the US, because most straight guys–even guys who aren’t feminists and are fairly sexist in a more conventional way–are all for women being sexy in public. In fact, many of them pay for it (strip club, etc).
I should amend that–there is also the modesty brigade, which is usually religious in background, is fairly similar, but again it is an outlier (and in this case I think comes from severe sexual repression that makes sexual arousal shameful and emotionally painful… hey, I might have found the connection.)