Just a quick update on Eivind Berge: According to this news account, the Norwegian Men’s Rights blogger is considered enough of a threat to police officers that his two-week detention has been extended by four more weeks. According to the prosecutor, the “risk of recurrence of new criminal offenses” makes releasing him dangerous.
See my posts here and here for more on his arrest.
Simply making threats is not necessarily going to lead directly to people murdering others. HOWEVER. There are other indicators that an incident will be occur, such as the purchasing of weapons and ammunition in concurrence with the threat, a history of lower level violence (assault/verbal abuse) towards others, violence/abuse towards animals, visiting potential target areas with regularity, and of course, if actual concrete plans or concrete direct threats (“I’m going to kill some vague group of people” is less convincing than “I’m going to kill X person on X date with X weapon.”). Most mass murderers who plan their murders ahead of time also want to seek the most amount of attention for their deeds (high visibility) because they are narcissists.
Obviously, there are more, but forensic psychologists are trained to ferret them out. It’s more than just a death threat- it’s a bunch of stuff that comes together to form a more accurate picture of someone who is likely to commit mass murder (or just singular murder). While I do not advocate or suggest suicide as something these people ought to engage in instead, I do honestly think that I would prefer someone who thinks horrible thoughts about others to harm themselves than a bunch of innocents.
I’ve kept geese. Oi… the honking. That’s not the thing to worry about, it’s the hissing. That’s when they are actually angry/scared.
And I’ve been “goosed”. Ow. I know how to deal with them, and I’m still cautious.
A gøøse bit my sister ønce ….
Dammit.
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Okay … giving up….
I was gonna say, “A goose bit my sister once,” a la Monty Python and the Holy Grail, but I can’t do the slashed Os.
Try adding a semi-colon at the other end of the expression
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Yep, that works.
NWO, you dumb sack of crap:
Who builds the roads? The government builds them with our taxes. They are a public good. Roads are not a free-for-all that no one owns. We ALL own them. Driving is not a right. Driving is a privilege and to use it you have to obey the rules and laws that keep us ALL safe while using them.
What you are advocating for is something terrible. Quite frankly, I don’t want to die while driving to work some morning because there are people on the roads who can’t see well enough or don’t understand the rules of the road. The rules are there to keep us all alive. When you are told you can’t drive because of some reason (eg. Can’t see well enough, another health concern, not old enough to operate a vehicle or having lost a license due to drinking or another offense) it is to keep others and yourself alive. Other people do have a right to not be killed by idiots. Also a close friend worked as an EMT years ago, and boy, the stories that he told me about having to scrape peoples insides off the highways are horrific. No one should have to live with the memories and reoccurring nightmares of what a persons insides look like because someone decided to drive home drunk or entirely disregard the rules of the road. The rules of the road keep us alive. Hell, I shouldn’t even have to explain something so frigging obvious.
I’m amused. Not that NWO is getting (more) deserved drubbing for this inanity, but because he could have avoided it.
These comments aren’t new. It’s because he denied saying them, and they were reposted.
A bad idea then, is still a bad idea now.
I’m remembering that when the Oklahoma City bombing happened, the news immediately flashed pictures of “Islamic Terrorists” who may have been responsible. Then they discovered it was an angry white right-wing American white guy, and the narrative became “why would a nice white boy do such a thing?”
OK, I’m simplifying a bit with that last part, but that’s what it felt like.
Bad_dog, that’s the perverse beauty of NWO. All of a sudden you find yourself trying to explain Basic Humanity 101 to him and wondering how the hell you got there.
It also became much more personalized. There’s a whole narrative of Timothy McVeigh’s life, or Ted Kaczynski’s, of their individual upbringing and possible formative influences and possible moments “when it all went wrong.”
What has the media said about Mohamed Atta or Marwan al-Shehhi as people, as people who had individuality and a history? When have we heard their former neighbors mumble awkwardly about “he always kept to himself”? Even with all the massive and long-running media attention paid to 9/11, the hijackers really never got characterized beyond Generic Arab Terrorist Guy.
I’m not saying this out of sympathy for the 9/11 hijackers obviously, and I know that an attack coordinated by a fairly large organization is not the same as an attack by one or two people, but there’s still a double standard.
Timothy McVeigh is investigated as a bad person; Marwan al-Shehhi only as a bad type of person.
There’s a series on Shakesville – Today in Totally Not Terrorism. Every time there’s a bombing or shooting at an abortion clinic. The MLK day bomb. The way the media consistently minimizes or altogether ignores that it’s a terrorism campaign.
They only post one for a new incident of totally-not-terrorism.
It’s a pretty regular feature.
@pecunium
“Shade: Yeah. The majority of terrorists in the US are white, male, Conservative, Christian (of a “fundamentalist” stripe).”
Really? Do you have proof of this? A detailed list of all mass murderers for say the last 40 years or so and their stated reason for mass murdering would suffice. I’d like to see how over 50% of mass murders in the US are committed Christian fundies.
Whatever happened to correlation doesn’t equal causation? Suddenly now it does?
My guess is he came from a single mother home, which is decidedly anti-christian at the very core. We know for a fact the majority of every criminal activity derives from single mother homes. Isn’t like 80% of prisons filled with products of single motherhood? Nice. Women make poor authority figures because they inherently lack the leadership skills. All that tolerance seems to breed whatcha see today.
Every moral preached from our schools, MSM as well as the political/corporate machine is totally opposite of Christianity. Is the US a Christian nation? At best, in name only. Gay pride, fifty shades of grey mentality, slutwalks, every form of debauchery is promoted and Christians are hated for daring to raise a voice against the mighty tolerance. We’re a nation of hedonistic atheists.
On the plus side, this’ll be an excellent opportunity for Big Daddy to tighten his grip and expand security forces. Police forces in every theater, mall, grocery store, business, school. If I wanted to build a police state I wouldn’t pass up this golden opportunity. Don’t worry fellow americans, I won’t steal too much more of your wealth.
At present, so far this year about 350 people died from walking on flat level ground and 10 from mass murderers in the US. Since I’m 35 X as likey to doe from walking on flat level ground. When will Big Daddy save me from this walking death?
Heard about a couple of new updates on the story I heard on the news (not sure how many people are already following the story so this might not be new to most of you).
“You have the right person.”
That’s a quote from the guy’s mother. Makes you wonder how bad this guy is if his own mother isn’t interested in saying anything nice about him (contrast to, say, all the people who say “he was such a nice person” when their neighbours do something horrible).
Also, the police have said the his apartment is booby trapped with explosives. He obviously put a lot of planning and effort into this.
@howardbann1ster
“There’s a series on Shakesville – Today in Totally Not Terrorism. Every time there’s a bombing or shooting at an abortion clinic. The MLK day bomb.”
If they did a series everytime someone dies from being aborted they’d have a new post about every 25 seconds, 24/7, 365 days a year. More meat for the meatgrinder. It’s funny how only the people who enjoy the luxury of not being aborted and are afforded the right to life are pro abortion. How’d that happen?
Pecunium, would you mind if I sat here and just was in awe of you? Is there nothing you can’t do?
Okay, now I want a beer. Preferably one brewed by Pecunium.
I think the FBI did a report on right wing domestic terrorism a couple of years ago though, I remember because it angered a lot of republicans. The media are the ones not on board with calling it terrorism.
A gøøse bit my sister ønce.
Incidentally, if you google “a moose bit my sister once,” you get a youtube link to the credits for Holy Grail, and a whole bunch of images of Sarah Palin with the line macro’d on.
For some reason that sets my teeth on edge. I didn’t like Palin, I’ve got no respect for her intelligence, ability to govern, or capacity to serve out a term when there’s book deals to be had, but attacking her or tweaking her nose because she’s from Alaska is beyond the pale.
Well, WordPress just told me to slow down. Guess I better go have lunch.
The people responsible have just been sacked.
Is it making fun of the fact that she’s from Alaska, or is it making fun of the fact that she plays up the “i’m from Alaska” bit in an over-the-top way? I mean, she’s said things equally as stupid herself.
I can believe the former does happen though, so I dunno.
Now apparently some random Republican is blaming atheism and the “war on Christianity” for the shooting. I’ll continue to not be surprised that this happens all the time. D:
Oh, I forgot she did that.
I’d like to say that I’ve come to expect politicians to play up where they’re from, how much they are Of The People, that I just ignored her when she did it. I mean, Bush bought a dude ranch, Palin can see Russia from her house, this is just par for the course.
But it’s probably more like it’s not being rubbed in my face at the moment.
Regardless, it doesn’t make me feel like giving her the benefit of any doubt.
Falconer: I don’t do beer. I will be, because my partner can’t drink wine (no, not for that reason, she’s allergic to fructose).
But to do that we need to get a couple more carboys, so that the meadery isn’t ruined for Pesah.
And yes, there is lots I can’t do, math more complex than simple algebra (with some small exceptions for applied aspects of trig which related to my job when I was a machinist; I knew more of how it worked [what numbers to plug into the formulae] than why. I knew what I was measuring, and what it was telling me about the measured features, but not why it was able to give me the answers).
I can’t do celestial navigation, and I’ve never learned to use a sextant, or theodolite. I can’t crochet (all you get is a hopeless knot), and I’m not as good at making sauces as I’d like. I’m not more than a passable singer (I tend to lose my key, and I sing a little flat… when I come to the coda my timbre falls apart and I can’t seem to hit the closing notes; it’s a real frustration because I like singing. Music is my life, it’s not my livelihood).
I barely understand electricity (I can make a simple circuit, and I know how to make a transformer, that’s about it). I don’t speak any sort of computer language (though I have the basics of simple HTML tools, href, and img src and & xxx ;, etc.
I seem more competent than I am (and I am pretty competent) because I study things I am interested in, and I am a pretty good teacher. I also know my limits, and reach to reference works (a lot). I happen to 1: love books, and 2: have a bookstore in the family (though it’s not thousands of miles from me, and not so much a brick and mortar place, so the stock is harder to raid). Almost 30 years of that (and a decade where I shared first pick of the oddities) means my personal library is both large (about 1,500 volumes, at present; with about 1,000 lost in various moves over those same three decades), and ecclectic; as well as being topical to my interests.
Take cookery, I have about 30 linear feet of books about cooking. Some are straight up recipe books, but most are either technique books, or books about types of cooking (schlemmertopf or Greek, or French Jewish, or “scandanavian”).
I also dabble. I like to play with things. So I try it, and I buy some books, and I read up on it, and I play with it until I decide I’m not interested, or I have acquired a new hobby. It’s why I know so much as I do, about as much as I do.
The final thing (I think) is that spent 20 years as a teacher. I got pretty good at explaining some pretty esoteric things (such as why when one is doing an Intelligence Preparation of the Battlefield, one always has a detailed “paragraph” on the weather). The result of that is I’m not afraid to try to explain things.
If you want, when I get a brewery going, I’ll send you a bottle.