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Update: Norwegian Men’s Rights blogger Eivind Berge will be held for four more weeks due to the “risk of recurrence of new criminal offenses.”

Just a quick update on Eivind Berge: According to this news account, the Norwegian Men’s Rights blogger is considered enough of a threat to police officers that his two-week detention has been extended by four more weeks. According to the prosecutor, the “risk of recurrence of new criminal offenses” makes releasing him dangerous.

See my posts here and here for more on his arrest.

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Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

Now apparently some random Republican is blaming atheism and the “war on Christianity” for the shooting. I’ll continue to not be surprised that this happens all the time. D:

Surely this tragedy could have been averted by mandatory school prayer, and a monument promoting a movie on the lawn of every courthouse in the nation.

Karalora
8 years ago

Four words in before insulting me, Argenti Aertheri must really like me. Talk about a hostile audience.

Actually, coming from me, “weird” is usually high praise. Usually. In this case, it was chosen primarily to retain the alliteration and cadence of the original phrase, and secondarily because you are pretty strange. That’s a good thing in itself–can you imagine how scary the world would be if your brand of frothing rage were normal?

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

If you want, when I get a brewery going, I’ll send you a bottle.

That’d be mighty kind of you.

And you can’t do fewer things than I can’t do. Although I’m passable at crochet.

Ithiliana
8 years ago

@Re: Sarah Palin.

I’ll call out anybody who uses sexist/misogynistic slurs against her (including on her physical attractiveness), but the reported information on the woman and hunting would lead me to cheer the MOOSE: http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm

Trufact: the first time my brother (now retired from an architecture firm in Anchorage) voted for a Democrat was to vote for Sarah Palin’s opponent for governor.

The second time was to vote for Obama after McCain picked Palin.

Just like Molly Ivins was calling out Shrub for years, so were there Alaskans against Palin for years before she hit the national scene.

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

@Ithiliana: The winking was creepy.

But I didn’t like how quickly so many on the left were quick to assume shenanigans over the birth of Trig and Bristol’s pregnancy. Fortunately that didn’t last long in the circles I was running in at the time. Nor did it make me, as the saying goes, suddenly outraged over Chappaquiddick.

Karalora
8 years ago

If they did a series everytime someone dies from being aborted they’d have a new post about every 25 seconds, 24/7, 365 days a year.

This is incorrect. Very few women die as a result of abortion procedures nowadays.

Oh, you meant the embryos? Well, you have to be a legal person to be a “someone,” and human embryos aren’t. You can argue till the cows come home about whether they should have legal personhood (Answer: No. Wasn’t that simple? You should thank me for all the time I just saved you. Now you can spend that time doing your job instead, and when the cows do come home, the milking machine will be all fixed for them!), but the plain fact is that at present they do not, and therefore no “someone” dies during the course of a typical abortion procedure.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

It’s funny how only the people who enjoy the luxury of not being aborted and are afforded the right to life are pro abortion. How’d that happen?

>.< Hahaha… Can we add "funny how only people who weren't aborted have an opinion on abortion" to the Book Of Learnin'?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“It’s funny how only the people who enjoy the luxury of not being aborted and are afforded the right to life are pro abortion. How’d that happen?”

Ok NWO, I was going to try being polite today, mostly because I’m not in the mood to have you word counting how long it took for me to insult you, but this is even stupider than your usual drivel.

“It’s funny how only the people who enjoy the luxury of not being aborted having failed to implant (or been stillborn, or died in childhood) and are afforded the right to life are pro abortion able to procreate. How’d that happen?”

I mean, biology, you do have a basic understanding of it right?

Everyone not NWO — he’s got a longer rant on the previous page that’s going to take me a minute to parse wtf he’s on about now.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

Oh my brain, I didn’t even see that post… I don’t even know where to start with that one.

Ithiliana
8 years ago

@Falconer: Oh, yes, the sexism on the left was maddening–although it was…..deeply tragically comic that suddenly FOX NEWS et. al were yelling about………..OMG sexism against Palin! After all the crap they threw at Hilary Clinton…….

Karalora
8 years ago

It’s funny how only the people who enjoy the luxury of not being aborted and are afforded the right to life are pro abortion. How’d that happen?

Pardon me for asking, but what’s “pro abortion”? Do you mean pro-choice? That’s a mistake a lot of people make.

Anyway, assuming that’s what you mean, I would like to point out that everyone who is anti-abortion has also already been born and guaranteed the right to life. Fetuses don’t have opinions of any kind on any subject. You don’t gain the ability to form opinions until some time after birth. Probably about the time you develop self-awareness (between 1 and 2 years of age), because you can’t have a concept of “I think that…” until you have a concept of “I.”

Do you understand? I can simplify if you need me to. I’m here to help.

Ithiliana
8 years ago

@NWO: Cookies! Sweetiepie! Shitforbrains!

Mass murders are not automatically terrorist acts!

And if one looks at the organized violence designed to shut down women’s clinics and “stop abortion by murdering people” which is done by white Christians, then yeah, the MAJORITY of TERRORIST acts in the US are by white people, mostly but not entirely men:

terrorist attacks against women’s clinics:

http://www.google.com/webhp?rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS452US452&sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8#rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS452US452&sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ie=UTF-8&q=terrorist%20attacks%20against%20women%27s%20clinics&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=267a76ddbb059e12&biw=1024&bih=475

Not that this will even dent NWO’s completely ironclad stance of doing it wrong, but the racism in defining terrorism in the US really pisses me the hell off.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

@pecunium
“Shade: Yeah. The majority of terrorists in the US are white, male, Conservative, Christian (of a “fundamentalist” stripe).”

First, why is this addressed to pecunium, when Shade said that quoted line? It isn’t really important or anything, but I’m curious.

Really? Do you have proof of this? A detailed list of all mass murderers for say the last 40 years or so and their stated reason for mass murdering would suffice. I’d like to see how over 50% of mass murders in the US are committed Christian fundies.

I’ll get back to you with that list, might be hard to find a list by religion, but skin color and gender should be easy enough (at least, their presumed race and gender, since idfk how stats will categorize cases where the murderer was killed at the scene).

Whatever happened to correlation doesn’t equal causation? Suddenly now it does?

Um, it doesn’t? Who said anything about why most US terrorists are conservative white men? No one?

My guess is he came from a single mother home, which is decidedly anti-christian at the very core. We know for a fact the majority of every criminal activity derives from single mother homes. Isn’t like 80% of prisons filled with products of single motherhood? Nice. Women make poor authority figures because they inherently lack the leadership skills. All that tolerance seems to breed whatcha see today.

Wait, didn’t you just agree that correlation isn’t causation? But now being from a single mother home is the cause of criminal activity? Try keeping your view straight for more than two paragraphs in a row please. (And I’ll be checking that 80% claim when I go find that list)

Every moral preached from our schools, MSM as well as the political/corporate machine is totally opposite of Christianity. Is the US a Christian nation? At best, in name only. Gay pride, fifty shades of grey mentality, slutwalks, every form of debauchery is promoted and Christians are hated for daring to raise a voice against the mighty tolerance. We’re a nation of hedonistic atheists.

Nope, we aren’t a Christian nation, please review your first amendment — the one that means you can say whatever hateful shit you like about whatever religion you like, and at worst, people will call you an asshole for it. No inquisition, no dungeon for disagreeing, no state enforced religion — no, we’re not a Christian nation, and we never have been.

On the plus side, this’ll be an excellent opportunity for Big Daddy to tighten his grip and expand security forces. Police forces in every theater, mall, grocery store, business, school. If I wanted to build a police state I wouldn’t pass up this golden opportunity. Don’t worry fellow americans, I won’t steal too much more of your wealth.

…You do get that most places have private security already right? Schools have had metal detectors since Columbine, mall security is really not big on shenanigans, grocery stores almost always have security in case of theft, etc — this isn’t news to you is it? Theaters and businesses also have private security, depending on their location and the nature of the business — every damned bank has security.

Was that intended as a general argument against Americas security theater, or are you actually trying to say you think you should be able to carry a gun wherever the fuck you like? (Oh right, you think driver licenses are evil, so it must be the latter…too bad, I’d have agreed with the former)

At present, so far this year about 350 people died from walking on flat level ground and 10 from mass murderers in the US. Since I’m 35 X as likey to doe from walking on flat level ground. When will Big Daddy save me from this walking death?

Ok now I know you do the faux naive thing, but come on, you cannot be thick enough not to know the difference between accidents and murder. And citation needed on that claim — I’d believe that many more people die while on flat ground but from flat ground? You need to exclude homeless people freezing to death, heat stroke, heart attacks and other medical conditions, and everything besides tripping basically. And since I’m already checking two citations for you, you can provide your own citation for this one.

While you’re citing things, cite any increases in security that aren’t limited to other showings of the same film, and (this is important) aren’t saying that that’s being done to make people feel more secure. Flat ground, or even mass murder deaths, have nothing to do with whether the movie now risks tanking because the public is afraid to go see it because of this.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

Really? Do you have proof of this? A detailed list of all mass murderers for say the last 40 years or so and their stated reason for mass murdering would suffice.

Translation: If you can’t provide impossibly thorough proof for an assertion, the opposite must be true.

Whatever happened to correlation doesn’t equal causation? Suddenly now it does?

Translation: Just in case the killer does happen to share my ideology, I better cover my ass.

My guess is he came from a single mother home, which is decidedly anti-christian at the very core. We know for a fact the majority of every criminal activity derives from single mother homes. Isn’t like 80% of prisons filled with products of single motherhood? Nice. Women make poor authority figures because they inherently lack the leadership skills. All that tolerance seems to breed whatcha see today.

Tranlsation: Here is a random hallucination I had about the killer. Here are some statistics I hallucinated, too! The fact that women continue to parent after their partners leave them is anti-Christian and very evil.

Every moral preached from our schools, MSM as well as the political/corporate machine is totally opposite of Christianity. Is the US a Christian nation? At best, in name only. Gay pride, fifty shades of grey mentality, slutwalks, every form of debauchery is promoted and Christians are hated for daring to raise a voice against the mighty tolerance. We’re a nation of hedonistic atheists.

Translation: Here is a grab-bag of things I am hateful about. I’ve recently added “Fifty Shades of Grey” to the list! I am not quite sure what a “Fifty Shades of Grey” is, but as soon as I figure out, I’ll know how to hate women for it!

On the plus side, this’ll be an excellent opportunity for Big Daddy to tighten his grip and expand security forces. Police forces in every theater, mall, grocery store, business, school. If I wanted to build a police state I wouldn’t pass up this golden opportunity. Don’t worry fellow americans, I won’t steal too much more of your wealth.

Translation: I am very afraid the government will come for me at any moment. That’s why I publicly attack the government constantly with absolutely no expression of concern for my physical safety. I mean, yeah, jackbooted thugs are brutally crushing all dissent, but it’s not like they’d track an IP address, right?

At present, so far this year about 350 people died from walking on flat level ground and 10 from mass murderers in the US. Since I’m 35 X as likey to doe from walking on flat level ground. When will Big Daddy save me from this walking death?

Translation: People die from things other than mass murders. Therefore, mass murder is no big deal.

(I have no idea what “350 people died from walking on flat level ground” refers to. Possibly NWO thinks that 350/year is the US rate of natural death?)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“I’m here to help.” … o.o …

“I’m the Doctor, I’m here to help” — Karalora, tardis access, please? 🙂

Since that got a laugh out of me, here, have +1 internet, and some M&Ms.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

Argenti: That was pecunium replying to me, hence my name being there.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Shade — I know, I’m curious why NWO is directing that at pecunium, and not at you. Though I guess I shouldn’t encourage him to expand his list of people he hates…

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Slavey is awfully excitable lately, isn’t he? I keep picturing spittle flying at his screen as he types.

Karalora
8 years ago

@Argenti

Actually, I’ve never watched a single episode of DW. I must be the only geek left in geekdom who hasn’t. “I’m here to help” is just something I say sometimes, often sarcastically. Do I still get my M&Ms?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Karalora — yep, the M&Ms (and internet) were for making me laugh after replying to NWO, you were still amusing, whether you meant to be or not 🙂

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

I really would love for Slavey to define what he thinks “Fifty Shades of Grey mentality” even is.

Karalora
8 years ago

Woot! M&Ms! Can they be the dark chocolate kind? Those are the best.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

(Tries to think like Slavey)

So, um, a woman wrote about sex, and it wasn’t just a list of what she was wearing (ie her sexuality). This is bad! Also, now other women are reading about sex, and they might be expecting orgasms. Bad! Or even having orgasms after reading. Really, really bad!

(Please note that because we are Slavey we don’t care how badly the book is written, or that it’s a full-frontal assault on the English language. We just hate it because it’s a dirty book and women might get off on it and OMG the sky is falling, bikinis at the mall, etc.)

skeptifem
8 years ago

@cliff

I would imagine that the “walking on level ground” deaths are actually from falling on level ground. For the elderly and some disabled populations it can be very dangerous to endure a ground level fall.

There are plenty of other things where people die while walking on level ground, but a fall is the only thing I can come up with that would actually have anything to do with the ground or its level.

Karalora
8 years ago

I thought “Fifty Shades of Grey” mentality was the notion that, since Twilight is no better than amateur Anne Rice fanfiction anyway, we might as well publish Twilight fanfiction with all the names changed.

These are indeed dark days we live in.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Maybe the Fifty Shades of Grey mentality is “too lazy to read through the slush pile, this will do – people bought Twilight so they’ll buy this shit too, right?’.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

I would imagine that the “walking on level ground” deaths are actually from falling on level ground. For the elderly and some disabled populations it can be very dangerous to endure a ground level fall.

That’s what I figured, but I wondered where the hell he got 350 from. Something like 20,000 people a year die from accidental falls, most of which are falls from standing or from a bed or wheelchair.

Maybe he just guessed 350 was a really big number.

At any rate this is all moot because of how hilariously wrong and amoral the logic of “people die for other reasons, so who cares about a mass murder here or there?” is.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

Argenti: I think we’re managing to confuse each other here. 😛 The conversation went:

Blah blah blah, stuff about people not considering non-Islamic terrorism terrorism or whatever I posted about (no mention of the actual most common sources of domestic terrorism in the US) – Me

Shade: Yeah. The majority of terrorists in the US are white, male, Conservative, Christian (of a “fundamentalist” stripe). – Pecunium

And then Owly quoted the latter, probably because it hit his “waa people are whining white male Christians again!” button rather than mine that didn’t. Pecunium was directing that paragraph at me, rather than quoting me.

I hope i’m not just misunderstanding your confusion, because then i’d be a giant idiot. 😛

WordSpinner
WordSpinner
8 years ago

I’ve never read either Twilight or Shades of Grey and I’ve heard enough about them to decide I don’t want to read them, which is kind of funny, because I like erotica and I like paranormal romance, and so I’d be the target demographic.

My theory is that Twilight and Shades of Grey are so popular is because they are the first entry into the genres for people who have never explored them before–since people who read and review erotica/romance aren’t really impressed. It’s like “No, no–here, let me give you some good stuff. Really. You can get your vampire/bdsm fix without having to put up with awful writing.”

Karalora
8 years ago

Twilight seems to have come along at the right time to snap up the readers who had grown up with Harry Potter, developed a taste for fantasy, and were now discovering their hormones and looking for something else to read. 50 Shades of Grey is literally Twilight fanfic with the names changed. I wasn’t even kidding about that. So naturally the Twilight crowd is going gaga over it.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Done with that list, data is from wiki.

“This section does not include school massacres, workplace killings, hate crimes, or mass murders that took place primarily in a domestic environment, which form their own categories. Cases where the primary motive for the murders was to facilitate or cover up another felony, like robbery, are also not included.”

Note, unknown in the race/gender column may simply mean I can’t be arsed to go digging for the info, also, all assumptions are based on the name, and should be taken with salt.

Sheley, Nicholas Troy, 28; June 23-33, 2008 Sterling, Rock Falls & Galesburg, IL; Festus, MO — white male
Unruh, Howard Barton, 28; Sep. 6, 1949 Camden, NJ — white male
Wong, Jiverly Antares, 41; April 3, 2009 Binghamton, NY — Asian male
Hennard, George Pierre, 35; Oct. 16, 1991 Killeen, TX — unknown male
Huberty, James Oliver, 41; July 18, 1984 San Diego, CA — white male
Pough, James Edward, 42; June 17/18, 1990 Jacksonville, FL — African American male
McLendon, Michael Kenneth, 28; March 10, 2009 Kinston, Samson & Geneva, AL — white male
Starkweather, Charles, 19 & Fugate, Caril Ann, 14; Nov. 30, 1957 & Jan. 21-29, 1958 Lincoln & Bennet, NE & Douglas, WY — white male, unknown female
Phillips, Monroe, 58; March 6, 1915 Brunswick, G — unknown
Smith, Roland J., 51; Dec. 8, 1995 New York City, NY — unknown male
Ratzmann, Terry Michael, 44; March 12, 2005 Brookfield, WI — white male
Collins, Melvin, 38; Nov. 6, 1948 Chester, PA — unknown (assumed male)
Collins, Darnell, 33; June 17–21, 1995 New Jersey & New York City, NY — unknown (assumed male)
Gung Ung Chang; July 18/19, 1898 Melrose, CA — unknown (assumed Asian)
Reynolds, William, 35; April 6, 1902 Tuscumbia, AL — unknown (assumed male)
Akers, Arthur; April 9, 1916 Stuttgart, AR — unknown (assumed male)
Ashbrook, Larry Gene, 47; Sep. 15, 1999 Fort Worth, TX — white male
Everette, Eugene, 32; March 28/29, 1970 New York City, NY — unknown (assumed male)
Jim; March 1, 1889 Okeechobee, FL — unknown (assumed male)
Charles, Robert, 35; July 23–27, 1900 New Orleans, LA — African American male
Ferguson, Colin, 35; Dec. 7, 1993 Garden City, NY — African American male
Marcelino, Julian, 30; Nov. 24, 1932 Seattle, WA — unknown (assumed male)
Loughner, Jared Lee, 22; Jan. 8, 2011 Tucson, AZ — white male
Carlton, Julian, 30; Aug. 15, 1914 Spring Green, WI — unknown male
Pearson, Eric Emanuel, 56; March 16, 1968 Ironwood, MI — unknown (assumed male)
Bonner, William Ray, 25; April 22, 1973 Los Angeles, CA — African American male
Indian Gully; Aug. 1910 Willow Patch, NV — unknown (assumed Native American)
Cruse, William Bryan, 59; April 23, 1987 Palm Bay, FL — unknown (assumed male)
Cooper, Simon; Jan. 1/7, 1897 Magnolia & Lynchburg, SC — unknown (assumed male)
Zamora, Isaac Lee, 28; Sep. 2, 2008 Alger, WA — unknown (assumed male)
Young, Harry Lyman, 27 & Young, Jennings M., 35; Jan. 2, 1932 Brookline, MO — unknown males
Unknown; Sep. 7, 1982 Craig, AK — unknown
Dekraai, Scott Evans, 41; Oct. 12, 2011 Seal Beach, CA — white male
Brown, Carl Robert, 51; Aug. 20, 1982 Miami, FL — white male
Hawkins, Robert A., 19; Dec. 5, 2007 Omaha, NE — white male
Stewart, Robert Kenneth Wayne, 45; March 29, 2009 Carthage, NC — white male
Silka, Michael Alan, 25; April 28 / May 17–19, 1984 Fairbanks & Manley Hot Springs, AK — unknown (assumed male)
Bertucci, Clarence V., 23; July 8, 1945 Salina, UT — white male
Twigg, Gilbert, 30; Aug. 13, 1903 Winfield, KS — unknown (assumed male)
Ferri, Gian Luigi, 55; July 1, 1993 San Francisco, CA — white male
Jones, Walter, 20 & Jones, William, 18; Sep. 28, 1913 Harriston, MS — unknown (assumed male)
Holmes, James Eagan, 24 (alleged); July 20, 2012 Aurora, CO — white male
Unknown; Sep. 17, 1911 Colorado Springs, CO — unknown
Goins, John M., 49; March 18, 1926 Stockton & Galt, CA — unknown (assumed male)
Henry, DeWitt Charles, 26; July 23, 1977 Klamath Falls, OR — unknown (assumed male)
Drake, Lynwood Crumpler, 43; Nov. 7/8, 1992 Morro Bay, Paso Robles & San Miguel, CA — white male
Huff, Kyle Aaron, 28; March 25, 2006 Seattle, WA — white male
Vang, Chai Soua, 36; Nov. 21, 2004 Birchwood, WI — Asian male
Moreno, Eliseo Hernandez, 24; Oct. 11, 1983 College Station & Hempstead, TX — unknown (assumed Hispanic male)
Benoist, Emile Pierre, 20; Aug. 26, 1977 Hackettstown, NJ — unknown (I think Emile is the French male form of Emilie, but I’m not sure on that)
Harris, Will; Nov. 13, 1906 Asheville, NC — unknown (assumed male)
King, Alvin Lee, 45; June 22, 1980 Daingerfield, TX — unknown (assumed male)
Klink, Herman, 40; March 6, 1933 Cleveland, OH — unknown (assumed male)
Stewart, Howard Franklin, 37; Sep. 16 & Sep. 22, 1987 Lebanon, MO & Corsicana, TX — unknown (assumed male)
Moore, Lawrence W., 25; May 7, 1981 Salem, OR — unknown (assumed male)
Decker, Newt, 35; Nov. 15, 1908 Okmulgee, OK — unknown (assumed male)
Mellberg, Dean Allen, 20; June 20, 1994 Fairchild Air Force Base, WA — unknown (assumed male)
Pullen, Joe; Dec. 14, 1923 Drew, MS — unknown (assumed male)
McLeod, Harvey Glenn, 22; May 29, 1972 Raleigh, NC — unknown male
French, Kenneth Junior, 22; Aug. 6, 1993 Fayetteville, NC — unknown (assumed male)
Belachheb, Abdelkrim, 39; June 29, 1984 Dallas, TX — unknown
Peterson, Tyler James, 20; Oct. 7, 2007 Crandon, WI — white male
Hastings, Louis D., 39; March 3, 1983 McCarthy, AK — unknown (assumed male)
Sencion, Eduardo, 32; Sep. 6, 2011 Carson City, NV — Hispanic male
Clark, Michael Andrew, 16; April 25, 1965 Santa Maria, CA — unknown male
Aranda, Bennie Bonifacio, 26; Dec. 28, 1937 Oakland, CA — unknown (assumed male)
Mozingo, Douglas Arthur, 29; Oct. 1, 1982 Sacramento, CA — unknown (assumed male)
Sodini, George A., 48; Aug. 4, 2009 Bridgeville, PA — white male
Attebury, Ira, 64; April 27, 1979 San Antonio, TX — unknown (assumed male)
Popadich, Ronald J., 39; Feb 10-14, 2002 Garfield, NJ & New York City, NY — unknown (assumed male)
Casteel, Luther V., 42; April 14, 2001 Elgin, IL — unknown (assumed male)
Cho Mun Chu, 45; Sep. 6, 1988 New York City, NY — unknown (assumed Asian)
Sears, Charles, 32; June 27 – July 6, 1981 New York City, NY — unknown (assumed male)
Smith, Russell Lee, 28; May 24, 1975 Dayton, OH — African American male
Pearson, Moses, 31; April 25, 1976 Jacksonville, FL & Georgia — unknown (assumed male)
Lambright, Donald Martin, 30; April 5, 1969 Harrisburg, PA — unknown (assumed male)
Harrington, Robert Leonard, 35; June 11, 1982 Detroit, MI — unknown (assumed male)
Koullapis, Louis, 70; Jan. 12, 1965 Gardena, CA — unknown (assumed male)
Pruyn, Kenyon William, 32; Oct. 30, 1976 Mechanicville, NY — unknown (assumed male)
Cribbs, Ulysses L., 32; Nov. 26, 1977 Omaha, NE — unknown (assumed male)
Agas, Venerando, 52; July 10, 1995 New York City, NY — unknown (assumed male)
Pinkston, Charles; Oct. 10, 1927 Birmingham, AL — unknown (assumed male)
Cornell, —; 1863 Austin, NV — unknown
Thrower, Dennie, 34; Oct. 4, 1936 Windsor, NC — unknown (assumed male)
Wade, William S.; Aug. 24, 1909 Monroe, LA — unknown (assumed male)
Cooksey, Wesley, 39; Sep. 5, 1927 Evansville, IN — unknown (assumed male)
Brady, John, 22; Jan. 22 – Feb. 10, 1906 St. Louis, MO — unknown (assumed male)
Reeb, Henry H., 36; April 25, 1940 Burlington, IA — unknown (assumed male)
Wilkins, Nathan Van, 44; July 16/17, 2012 Tuscaloosa, AL — unknown (assumed male)

So, I was really hoping I’d come across at least one unknown with an apparently feminine name, but the closest is Emile and I’m fairly sure that’s the male version of Emilie (either that or a typo). That sums to —

Total — 89
African American male — 5
Asian male — 2
Hispanic male — 1
unknown — 5
unknown (assumed Asian) — 2
unknown (assumed Hispanic male) — 1
unknown (assumed male) — 46 / 47 (Idk where to list Emile, this might be assumed male 46, assumed female 1)
unknown (assumed Native American) — 1
unknown male — 7
white male — 19
unknown female — 1

Ignoring the ones where I’m guessing, that works out to one woman and 34 men; of those 34, 7 were of unknown race, 19 were white, and 8 were not white. Nineteen of 35 (I’m excluding where I had to guess) is 54%

There you have it NWO, just over half of mass murderers, where the race and gender is known, are white men (I counted unknown race as not white for that percentage btw).

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Karalora — I have regular M&Ms, but your virtual M&Ms can be whatever kind you like!

Shade — ah, yeah, I was mistaken then, I thought pecunium was quoting you.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Was Owly saying the Colorado shooter was the product of an anti-christian, single-mother home? Wrong, on both counts.

I mean, whatever.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

cloudiah — I think he was trying to claim that the CO shooter was an outlier, that most mass murderers are the result of atheism and single mother homes, but yeah, idk. I’m guessing he didn’t think anyone would actually bother going through the list of mass murderers (I’m bored, and kind of enjoy working with tedious data)

As for that claim about 80% of criminals being from single mother households, I can’t find anything because Santorum said something stupid and he’s clogging my search results. Nor can I find anything specific to deaths on flat ground (well, in humans anyways, horse racing is clogging that search) — falls in general rank well over 350 deaths a year, but most of those seem to be from an elevation.

Citations needed here NWO, you made the claim, now prove it.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

Suspect’s neighbor: ‘He seemed like a normal kid’ – headline from cloudiah’s link.

Well that didn’t take long. >.<

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

NWO: Really? Do you have proof of this? A detailed list of all mass murderers for say the last 40 years or so and their stated reason for mass murdering would suffice. I’d like to see how over 50% of mass murders in the US are committed Christian fundies.

Do I have proof?

Yeah, I do. Are you going to listen to it? No. But, for the benefit of those follwing along at home, I will.

Whatever happened to correlation doesn’t equal causation? Suddenly now it does?

What causation have I stated? I was stating a correlation; and a preponderance, as a counter to the idiocy that all terrorists are somehow, “other”.

Here’s a round-up

— July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how “liberals” are “destroying America,” walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others.

— October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.

— December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear “dirty bomb” in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb.

— January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center.

— February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.

— April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.

— April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, similarly fearful of Obama’s purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.

— May 2009: A “sovereign citizen” named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Topeka, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.

— June 2009: James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.

— February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one “domestic terrorism” too.)

— March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war.

— March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers before he is himself shot dead.

— May 2010: A “sovereign citizen” from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.

— May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.

— May 2010: Two “sovereign citizens” named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed.

— July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded.

That’s sixteen major incidents in a two-year period — significantly more than we’ve seen over the same timespan from domestic radical Muslims. The BPC’s report enumerates a total of seven incidents in 2009 — two attacks and five serious plots (not to mention four attempts to join terrorist organizations). We’ve had the same number of right-wing extremist-related incidents of domestic terrorism in 2010 so far — and the year isn’t even over yet.

Here are some links about the sodium cyanide bombs I was talking about.

Cyanide Bombers: an update

Sources familiar with the investigation say authorities especially fear that Krar may have manufactured more than one sodium cyanide bomb and sold them. After a traffic stop earlier this year while Krar was traveling through Tennessee, state troopers seized sodium cyanide among other weapons, one government source confirmed.

During the same stop, troopers found notes in Krar’s car.

One of the notes titled “Trip” recommends, “You will need cash, pre-charged phone card, spare gas can and all planning in place.”

Another note titled “Procedure” appears to represent instructions for carrying out some kind of covert operation. It lists code words for cities where meetings can take place at motels. Other codes appear to be warnings about how close police might be to catching the plotters. “Lots of light storms are predicted,” for instance, means “Move fast before they look any harder. We have a limited window remaining.”

The same note goes on to recommend ways to divert pursuers and suggests, “We want all looking in the wrong direction.”

Karr Plead Guilty:

UNITED STATES ATTORNEY’S OFFICE
Eastern District of Texas
PRESS ROOM
November 13, 2003

SMITH COUNTY MAN ADMITS POSSESSING CHEMICAL WEAPONS

(Tyler, Texas) A Tyler resident has admitted to possessing sodium cyanide, and other chemicals for the purpose of creating a dangerous weapon. WILLIAM J. KRAR pleaded guilty this morning to one count of Possessing a Dangerous Chemical Weapon. His co-defendant, JUDITH L. BRUEY, pleaded guilty to an information charging her with Conspiracy to Possess Illegal Weapons.

The Department of Justice, in 2009, released a report (actually done under Bush II) which said the single greatest threat of terrorism was rightwing extremists:
(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing extremist ideology are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States. Information from law enforcement and nongovernmental organizations indicates lone wolves and small terrorist cells have shown intent—and, in some cases, the capability—to commit violent acts.
— (U//LES) DHS/I&A has concluded that white supremacist lone wolves pose the most significant domestic terrorist threat because of their low profile and autonomy—separate from any formalized group—which hampers warning efforts.
— (U//FOUO) Similarly, recent state and municipal law enforcement reporting has warned of the dangers of rightwing extremists embracing the tactics of “leaderless resistance” and of lone wolves carrying out acts of violence.
— (U//FOUO) Arrests in the past several years of radical militia members in Alabama, Arkansas, and Pennsylvania on firearms, explosives, and other related violations indicates the emergence of small, well-armed extremist groups in some rural areas.

Have you heard of The Order? The Huttaree Militia? Eric Rudolph? Scott Roeder? James Kopp? John Salvi? Reverend Paul Hill? Michael Griffen? All of those people have something in common… they are in jail for terrorist acts, all but the Huttaree militia actually killed people.

Want me to go on? Here’s some bombers, arsonists and attempted murderers, as well as those who make bomb threats and mail false anthrax: Shelley Shanon, Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe, Fr. John Earl, Clayton Waagner, Robert Weiler Jr., William Kitchens Jr.

I was actually the target of such terrorism. While I was still in the National Guard a group of right-wing extremists planned to blow up the Armory my unit trained in.

Here is a list of 60 terrorist plots in the US from the McVeigh Bombing, to 2005. Did you see that number, SIXTY (60) as of 2005.

So add that to the 30, or so in 2009/2010. That’s not including the trio that was planning to kill Obama when he was going to be speaking at a stadium (the planned to take an 800+ meter shot with a high-powered rifle).

Here’s a shorter list, which goes up to 2012 Terror from the right

So there you are, a list of people who are right-wing Conservatives, overwhelmingly male, who have been caught engaging in terrorism. Since many of their targets are attacked, or threatened, by people who aren’t caught, we can; with some reasonableness, assume there are more.

Go ahead, show me the longer list of left-wingers, and “islamists” who’ve been arrested in the US for for acts (or plotted) terrorism

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

Argenti: He was addressing it to me, because I said it. Shade was in there only because NWO is too lazy to not add the irrelevant (to NWO’s comment) addressing of my comment.

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

Carp: I misposted my reply to NWO.

NWO: Really? Do you have proof of this? A detailed list of all mass murderers for say the last 40 years or so and their stated reason for mass murdering would suffice. I’d like to see how over 50% of mass murders in the US are committed Christian fundies.

Do I have proof?

Yeah, I do. Are you going to listen to it? No. But, for the benefit of those follwing along at home, I will.

Whatever happened to correlation doesn’t equal causation? Suddenly now it does?

What causation have I stated? I was stating a correlation; and a preponderance, as a counter to the idiocy that all terrorists are somehow, “other”.

Here’s a round-up

— July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how “liberals” are “destroying America,” walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others.

— October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.

— December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear “dirty bomb” in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb.

— January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center.

— February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.

— April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.

— April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, similarly fearful of Obama’s purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.

— May 2009: A “sovereign citizen” named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Topeka, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.

— June 2009: James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.

— February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one “domestic terrorism” too.)

— March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war.

— March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers before he is himself shot dead.

— May 2010: A “sovereign citizen” from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.

— May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.

— May 2010: Two “sovereign citizens” named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed.

— July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded.

That’s sixteen major incidents in a two-year period — significantly more than we’ve seen over the same timespan from domestic radical Muslims. The BPC’s report enumerates a total of seven incidents in 2009 — two attacks and five serious plots (not to mention four attempts to join terrorist organizations). We’ve had the same number of right-wing extremist-related incidents of domestic terrorism in 2010 so far — and the year isn’t even over yet.

Here are some links about the sodium cyanide bombs I was talking about.

Cyanide Bombers: an update

Sources familiar with the investigation say authorities especially fear that Krar may have manufactured more than one sodium cyanide bomb and sold them. After a traffic stop earlier this year while Krar was traveling through Tennessee, state troopers seized sodium cyanide among other weapons, one government source confirmed.

During the same stop, troopers found notes in Krar’s car.

One of the notes titled “Trip” recommends, “You will need cash, pre-charged phone card, spare gas can and all planning in place.”

Another note titled “Procedure” appears to represent instructions for carrying out some kind of covert operation. It lists code words for cities where meetings can take place at motels. Other codes appear to be warnings about how close police might be to catching the plotters. “Lots of light storms are predicted,” for instance, means “Move fast before they look any harder. We have a limited window remaining.”

The same note goes on to recommend ways to divert pursuers and suggests, “We want all looking in the wrong direction.”

Karr Plead Guilty:

UNITED STATES ATTORNEY’S OFFICE
Eastern District of Texas
PRESS ROOM
November 13, 2003

SMITH COUNTY MAN ADMITS POSSESSING CHEMICAL WEAPONS

(Tyler, Texas) A Tyler resident has admitted to possessing sodium cyanide, and other chemicals for the purpose of creating a dangerous weapon. WILLIAM J. KRAR pleaded guilty this morning to one count of Possessing a Dangerous Chemical Weapon. His co-defendant, JUDITH L. BRUEY, pleaded guilty to an information charging her with Conspiracy to Possess Illegal Weapons.

The Department of Justice, in 2009, released a report (actually done under Bush II) which said the single greatest threat of terrorism was rightwing extremists:
(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing extremist ideology are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States. Information from law enforcement and nongovernmental organizations indicates lone wolves and small terrorist cells have shown intent—and, in some cases, the capability—to commit violent acts.
— (U//LES) DHS/I&A has concluded that white supremacist lone wolves pose the most significant domestic terrorist threat because of their low profile and autonomy—separate from any formalized group—which hampers warning efforts.
— (U//FOUO) Similarly, recent state and municipal law enforcement reporting has warned of the dangers of rightwing extremists embracing the tactics of “leaderless resistance” and of lone wolves carrying out acts of violence.
— (U//FOUO) Arrests in the past several years of radical militia members in Alabama, Arkansas, and Pennsylvania on firearms, explosives, and other related violations indicates the emergence of small, well-armed extremist groups in some rural areas.

Have you heard of The Order? The Huttaree Militia? Eric Rudolph? Scott Roeder? James Kopp? John Salvi? Reverend Paul Hill? Michael Griffen? All of those people have something in common… they are in jail for terrorist acts, all but the Huttaree militia actually killed people.

Want me to go on? Here’s some bombers, arsonists and attempted murderers, as well as those who make bomb threats and mail false anthrax: Shelley Shanon, Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe, Fr. John Earl, Clayton Waagner, Robert Weiler Jr., William Kitchens Jr.

I was actually the target of such terrorism. While I was still in the National Guard a group of right-wing extremists planned to blow up the Armory my unit trained in.

Here is a list of 60 terrorist plots in the US from the McVeigh Bombing, to 2005. Did you see that number, SIXTY (60) as of 2005.

So add that to the 30, or so in 2009/2010. That’s not including the trio that was planning to kill Obama when he was going to be speaking at a stadium (the planned to take an 800+ meter shot with a high-powered rifle).

Here’s a shorter list, which goes up to 2012 Terror from the right

So there you are, a list of people who are right-wing Conservatives, overwhelmingly male, who have been caught engaging in terrorism. Since many of their targets are attacked, or threatened, by people who aren’t caught, we can; with some reasonableness, assume there are more.

Go ahead, show me the longer list of left-wingers, and “islamists” who’ve been arrested in the US for for acts (or plotted) terrorism

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

Or I didn’t, and got confused with having two of the same tab open, one of which wasn’t refreshed.

Ooops.

nwoslave
8 years ago

@pecunium

Um overwhelminigly Christian fundies? I’m not seeing it. In fact, Christian isn’t even mentioned. Some are so obscure as to no meaning at all, “May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.”

I didn’t realize, “unidentified white man” = Christian fundie. When I asked for mass murderers I expect a link to something more than a building being damaged. Just to clarify, mass murder means actual murder taking place. And really!!! The SPLC? You’re kidding? Right? The heart and soul of the communist front. I’m sure they seeth in anger at individuals still having the right to own property, freedom and religion. Lol. The SPLC makes stormfront look like a bunch of old ladies at a bridge club. Why not just hand me the communist manifesto? Let’s all kill the burgiousse class and live in our little utopia. Hey, I got baking soda and vinegar, ya know what that means? Terrorist.

Fembot
Fembot
8 years ago

Um, pointing out the facts concerning men who commit murder is misandry. You must ignore those figures, and instead lambast women because a very small percentage of them commit murder too. So, you know, women are bad, or else…misandry!

nwoslave
8 years ago

Just so ya know, the lone wolf as he’s been dubbed is a registered democrat. Damn lefties.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

I’ll finish pecunium’s list in a moment, but need to comment on this one —

— April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.

That was such a clusterfuck…I’ll be amazed if they can find a jury within the city, everyone here considers him worse than guilty (he’s widely known as “that cop killer” here). That DV call though? His mother was the one who placed the call (and then it all went to shit and the city went into mourning and I really do doubt they can find an impartial jury…or judge for that matter). It all went to shit in a matter of seconds too btw, so fast actually that I’m pretty sure we’ve changed how the police respond to DV calls as a result of him.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“He was addressing it to me, because I said it. Shade was in there only because NWO is too lazy to not add the irrelevant (to NWO’s comment) addressing of my comment.”

Shade already clarified that bit of confusion, but yeah, I missed that, my mistake.

And Poplawski was tried and I missed it apparently (this is what I get for ignoring local laws I suppose) — he’s appealing a lethal injection.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

local news, not local laws…*sigh* that case just short circuits my brain or something — the first officer to respond did the standard approach and door knock, and then took a bullet to the head, that’s a special level of fucked up.

nwoslave
8 years ago

@Argenti Aertheri
“Done with that list,”

Now if you take that list which seems to go back to 1915, and add up everyone, you’d come up with being about 100X as like that you’ll die from walking on flat level ground. Your odds of dying from walking on flat level ground are about 430,000 to 1 on any given year. Which means your odds of dying from a mass murder attack are about 43,000,000 to 1 on any given year. The odds of dying in a mass murder attack are far less than almost anything at all.

Do you get the point? We have the FBI, CIA, agencies you’ve never heard of, the patriot act, NDAA, the military tromping all over the world, missles firing into so many countries and the daily pravda telling us how we killed 100s of bad terrorists with each attack in a foreign land. 100s of billions spent every year to protect us from terrorism. Yet I’m far, far more likely to die from wasp stings or walking on flat level ground. Do you see the absurdity?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

That list goes back to 1889 actually, but nonetheless, you need to cite that claim about “flat level ground” — preferably from a source that either excludes, or explains, how many of those deaths are the result of medical causes that just happened to occur on “flat level ground”.

In any case, wtf does either the OP about Berge, or the CO shooting, have to do with the bullshit that is the war on terror? And how do any of those thing relate to deaths on “flat level ground”? (And btw, my risk on flat level ground is probably 0, there really isn’t much of that around here XD )

“Why not just hand me the communist manifesto?”

If we did, would you actually read it?

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

NWO: When you asked for mass murderers you were trying to stack the deck, and exclude most terrorists, who don’t actually kill large groups of people.

As I said, you won’t really read the list, just dismiss it out of hand.

The statement I made wasn’t, “most mass murderers are white, male, and some stripe of fundie”, but “most terrorists in the USA are such”.

And I supported it. Care to provide a countering list of terrorists who aren’t?

Dishonest, that’s you.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

pecunium — my list was mass murderers, so both claims would be correct (both mass murderers, and terrorists, are largely white men, and for the ones where religion was mentioned, every last one on my list was a christian)

nwoslave
8 years ago

@pecunium
This is what you said..,. The majority of terrorists in the US are white, male, Conservative, Christian (of a “fundamentalist” stripe).”

Is the majority of terrorist activity, committed by Christian fundies? Further, the SLPC would be thrilled to take everyone’s property, and every right they have as well as toss every Christian into the collusuem for saturday night lion feedings. Why not cruise over to radfem while you’re at and see what they think of Christians.

The SPLC is possibly the best funded communist center in the country. Goals of communism are to destroy the family, Christianity and give all power to the State. The SPLC is the most is so far left even for manboobers.