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A Voice for Men continues to spread its message of peace, love, and f*cking people’s sh*t up

Poor Paul Elam. Here he is, the self-annointed leader of the world’s greatest 21st century human rights movement, and for some strange reason people keep mistaking him for some sort of two-bit hatemonger.

No, really!

In his latest post on A Voice for Men, Mr. Elam laments the evil way one Australian news site took AVFM’s rallying cry  – “Fuck Their Shit Up” — and made it seem kind of mean. Also, they added an “ing” to “fuck.” Elam writes:

[Journalist Tory] Shepherd (or her editors) gave a subheading to her piece which read:

Hate site’s motto is ‘F***king their s**t up

Misuse of the transitive verb aside, and ignoring the fact that even when properly quoted it is not the sites motto (which is “Take the Red Pill”), the use of that phrase in the sub-header was calculated to make AVfM appear to be a hate site.

How unfair to tag a website with the slogan it uses constantly! And, really, how could anyone see “fuck their shit up” as anything but a spirited call for peacefulness, understanding, and love?

Elam continues:

It is intended to make us look as though we have violent leanings; that we are a threat to the personal security of feminists, and indeed to women in general.

Because of this potential for misunderstanding, Elam has decided to retire the catchphrase in favor of one that will more accurately convey AVFM’s message of love.

Oops, sorry. That would be a logical thing to do, and Elam is clearly a man beyond mere logic.

Instead, he decided to see how many times he could use the phrase “fuck their shit up” and variants thereof in the course of a single blog post. To make counting easier in the quotes that follow, I will put each use of the phrase in bold.

I have a personal, deeply personal message for [Tory Shepherd] and for two others of her ilk associated with this “story.”

Tory Shepherd, I am here to fuck your shit up.

Betty McLellan, I am here to fuck your shit up

Michael Flood, I am here to fuck your shit up.

And in case any of the three of you are as stupid as you sound, I mean it literally. I want your shit fucked up in a permanent and irreversible way. I want the harsh, unforgiving light of truth to shine on you and other hateful swine that spread bigotry and violence under the guise of advancing the cause of women.

Nothing hateful to see here, move right along!

Oh, wait, there’s more:

Do I want to fuck these peoples shit up? Oh yes, I certainly do. And it has already begun to happen. …

This, and by that I mean the truth, is fucking their shit up. It is happening in the best possible way and all their powerless wailing and lies about FTSU meaning violence won’t stop it.

The growth of this movement depends, wholly and completely, on our ideas being exposed to rational people who value fairness and justice. We are now getting that exposure, and it is scaring the living shit out of the likes of McLellan, Shepherd and Flood.

That fear looks damned good on them. …

We are dealing with liars and bigots. They have no sense of honor or decency.  When I call Michael Flood a sociopathic pig, it is not an adolescent ad hominem used in the absence of substance, but an unavoidable conclusion rooted in the reality of his conduct as a human being. …

We are not compelled to play nice with these hateful ideologues any more than we would feel compelled to politely discuss race relations with the Ku Klux Klan, or debate reproductive rights with people who bomb abortion clinics.

Our one and only job is to fuck their shit up; to make them suffer the pain of truth, and to keep doing it till they have no place to hide. …

All we have to do is fuck their shit up, then wake up tomorrow and do it again. They are powerless to stop it.

And … scene!

So that’s eight uses of Elam’s favorite catchphrase in one post. Paul and hate make eight! Oh, wait, the title of the post is also “Fuck Their Shit Up.” So that’s nine. Oh, and he used the acronym FTSU twice, too, once in the post and once in his bio. That’s eleven.

Keep digging, Paul! And take the rest of the MRAs down to the center of the earth with you, while you’re at it.

Oh, and apparently AVFM’s JohnTheOther has written an entire post of his own, also attacking Shepherd, also complaining about the evil of people quoting AVFM’s favorite catchphrase (and sometimes even adding “ing” to it), and quite possibly accusing her of supporting mass murder. I’m not sure of the details. I just glanced at it. I refuse to read the whole thing on general principle. Life is short, and JtO’s posts are really, really long.

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Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

This is about to be one of those times an MRA says “clicks the links (it isn’t as bad as David says)” and its actually worse, isn’t it?

Sharculese
8 years ago

Why don’t you actually try clicking on the goddamn links? They’re screenshots from a feminist website whose members do fundraising for the Southern Poverty Law Center.

were already aware of your weird stalky obsession with radfemhub, thx. yall deserve each other.

Sharculese
8 years ago

@argenti

it’s a bunch of agent orange screen caps. because they still think that proves something.

Sharculese
8 years ago

srsly hr you guys and radfemhub are just the right size to engage in a long irrelevant feud with each other and i totally encourage both of you to do just that instead of bothering other people

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“it’s a bunch of agent orange screen caps. because they still think that proves something.”

Well, it does proof one thing — radfemhub might actually have a point about men infiltrating women’s spaces (now, if only they could not lump trans* women in with men, they’d have an actual point that didn’t make other feminists hate them)

Kind of have to love how agent orange did exactly what they accuse men of doing though…

Hershele Ostropoler
8 years ago

AVfM helps SPLC fundraising efforts, I’m sure. Though presumably they don’t intend to.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

denotes a quote which you could mine and take out of context to continue trying to make MRAs look violent.

“Let’s face it guys if it was about size or domination, or patriarchy or anything other than power, wouldn’t we be kicking the shit out of women on a daily basis in the streets? The only reason men don’t randomly pound the shit out of women who can’t keep their mouths shut, is because they don’t mean anything to us and they have no power over or in our lives. They are not worth the trouble! That’s the only reason there isn’t bodies strewn all over the streets.”

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/domestic-violence-a-long-winded-response-to-paul/

Please tell me how this quote has been taken out of context.

Rutee Katreya
8 years ago

Oh please. Jezebel has a feature called “Fuck, Marry, Kill” where three men are lined up and readers encouraged to contemplate which one they would have sex with, which one they would consider as a partner and which one they would murder.

But that’s just all in good fun!

We have a lot of fools in our comments today, don’t we? Dude, that is a common game. Not ‘common among women’, not ‘common amongst feminists’. ‘common in our culture, amongst everyone’. ‘Kill’ just means that’s the one you like least for some warped reason, not that you will actually kill them. That’s not even the littlest bit equivalent, however much you wish it were so. I mean, you could say it doesn’t say positive things about MEriken culture, no doubt, but it is hardly an indictment of feminist violence XD

This is what you have to put alongside “THE TIME HAS COME TO FUCK THEIR SHIT UP”, huh? XD

nwoslave
8 years ago

@Argenti Aertheri
“(now, if only they could not lump trans* women in with men, they’d have an actual point that didn’t make other feminists hate them)”

Well there’s no such thing as trans anything. Since we’re entertaining the ridiculous, why not trans species as well. Can you imagine a childs confusion just trying to fill out a parental form? “Well my mom-dad-mom-chimp #4 was a man, who transed to a woman, who went gay while being respecied, who afterwards transed back to a man, where I was implanted from a turkey baster sperm joint between my two lesbian mom/dads of which both transed back and forth repeatedly, after shacking up with the family dog, who also transed.”

That’s not likely to be a big hit in the old MRA department.Hwne you do and say ridiculous things you rightfully are ridiculed. Somehow this excapes the collective brainpower of the herd.

cloudiah
8 years ago

They’re hit and run trolls/fools today. No stamina.

doctornic
8 years ago

I think Tuley is right. They are being literally metaphorical about their metaphors. In a literal way. Wait, what?

RubyHypatia
RubyHypatia
8 years ago

That guy is one classless dude.

NekoOnna
NekoOnna
8 years ago

Jezebel also has a prominent disclaimer at the top of the FMK posts saying they don’t actually endorse murder. Bad taste? Sure. Misandry? Possibly. Advocating Violence? Not even close. Where is the disclaimer in front of the FTSU rants? Oh yeah- there isn’t one.

Erl
Erl
8 years ago

Oh please. Jezebel has a feature called “Fuck, Marry, Kill” where three men are lined up and readers encouraged to contemplate which one they would have sex with, which one they would consider as a partner and which one they would murder.

But that’s just all in good fun!

Others have touched on this, but it’s also a question of the relationship between rhetoric and real-world outcomes. You bet your ass that if Hitler had ended speeches with “Fuck, Marry, Kill: the armies of Western Europe, the noble womenfolk of the Third Reich, the Jews!” that we wouldn’t play that game anymore.

But of course FMK isn’t actually related to any such atrocity. Whereas the violent rhetoric Elam produces is not dissimilar to the rhetoric leading up to many instances of actual violence.

Not that I feel obliged to defend Jezebel, but come the hell on.

Nanasha
Nanasha
8 years ago

They’re so angry that they can’t force women to be with their shitty, violent, abusive selves, so they think that acting like HUGE ABUSIVE JERKS and advocating for the removal of women’s rights to be treated equally to men is actually going to win anyone over?

“Oh watch out, wimminz- if you don’t let us get the LEGAL RIGHT to rape, beat and abuse you, we’ll rape, beat and abuse you ANYWAY!”

Er…..was that supposed to convince me? Really?

jumbofisch
8 years ago

NWO what were you huffing today? I didn’t know trans people considered themselves another species….

jumbofisch
8 years ago

Well there’s no such thing as trans anything. Since we’re entertaining the ridiculous, why not trans species as well. Can you imagine a childs confusion just trying to fill out a parental form? “Well my mom-dad-mom-chimp #4 was a man, who transed to a woman, who went gay while being respecied, who afterwards transed back to a man, where I was implanted from a turkey baster sperm joint between my two lesbian mom/dads of which both transed back and forth repeatedly, after shacking up with the family dog, who also transed.”

Like serious do you even know what trans means? It has utterly nothing to do with “crossing species” unless you think men and women are a different species or something….oh wait…

Whats it to you if someone modifies their body anyway? Do you freak out each time someone gets body modifications like ear rings or tattoos?

Also transed?????? dog trans???? respecied???? chimp #4??

I have no idea whats up with your weird sexual fantasy about trans people and animals but keep it to yourself.

Hershele Ostropoler
8 years ago

I was going to say “if all that makes people happy, what of it” when I realized Slavey doesn’t actually want people to be happy. He’s deeply unhappy because he’s internalized the social roles that have been imposed on him, which is why he’s so resentful of people who manage to buck some of that and simultaneously so angry at anyone who encourages him to.

Fembot
Fembot
8 years ago

Hwne you do and say ridiculous things you rightfully are ridiculed. Somehow this excapes the collective brainpower of the herd.

Yes, doing and saying ridiculous things will get you rightfully ridiculed. Yet this escapes the brainpower of MRAs posting on a blog site dedicated to mocking misogyny.

Fembot
Fembot
8 years ago

@Erl

They play “Shag, Marry, Kill,” with men and women on Andy Cohen’s live Bravo show. It is a very silly game. And if that is the best example of men’s oppression that you can think of, Charlotte, you might as well just go back to bed and call in sick.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

I love how a few nutters on radfemhub means all feminists advocate murder. Why is AVFM completely devoid of logic and common sense? how many times do we have to repeat that we don’t support radfemhub and their ideas? Any time women speak up about their rights, MRAs will silence us by pulling this bullshit. They are pushing for a culture where women shut up and, like Elam blatantly states, make us fear for speaking up.

Consider this. There is a very clear and even rather unfriendly rift between radical feminists and liberal “fun feminists.” The ideas about sexuality, the acceptance towards transpeople and even the attitude towards men is very obviously different to anyone with an ounce of reading comprehension and self awareness. However, with MRAs, not so much. They all seem to quietly support each other and rarely, if ever, call each other out. For example, they’ve been quite silent over Eivind Berge. But hell, even if you look carefully you can tell that there is some, albeit small, differences in tone and ideas between MRA sites. Reddit Mens Rights is one of them, they are more moderate than AVFM. Given between the two, I’d say r/mensrights is the better of the two (though still problematic)

So how is it I and others can see slight differences in rhetoric and ideas on MRA sites, yet MRAs can’t see the HUGE differences between rhetoric and ideas on Feminist sites. Or maybe they aren’t as dumb as they seem and this is all just a clever tactic into getting feminists to shut up by accusing them of advocating murder of males because some idiot radfem I’ve never even heard of before them said it?

No. I won’t stop speaking up for women’s rights when something is clearly unfair, or pointing out when MRAs are being assholes. And no amount of FALSELY ACCUSING me of advocating murder or being ok with people who advocate murder just because I speak up for women is going to stop me.

ozymandias42
8 years ago

You know, genderfluid people aside, usually people transition *once*. Or at most twice, in the rare event that it turns out that they were actually cis.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

Well there’s no such thing as trans anything. Since we’re entertaining the ridiculous, why not trans species as well. Can you imagine a childs confusion just trying to fill out a parental form? “Well my mom-dad-mom-chimp #4 was a man, who transed to a woman, who went gay while being respecied, who afterwards transed back to a man, where I was implanted from a turkey baster sperm joint between my two lesbian mom/dads of which both transed back and forth repeatedly, after shacking up with the family dog, who also transed.”

I don’t know which is worse, the fact that you are so full of hate and completely ignorant about this topic, or the fact that you actually think you’re being clever.

Fail NWO. Fail to the highest degree, even for you.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

For someone who claims to be fighting for men`s rights, NWO, you sure seem to have a lot of hatred for any man who isn`t cis-gendered and straight. But I guess those f*gs are`nt really men, right?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

To translate NWO — he’s ranting that only humans have a concept of trans*-ness, thus it doesn’t exist, which is funny, considering I already told him about fish changing genders. Let me remind you NWO, multiple species are protogynous hermaphrodites. And a few are protoandrous hermaphrodites. Seriously, I know you want to believe that gender changes are something feminists made up, but nature’s been doing it since the flatworm evolved (which was a long ass time ago, but then again, you don’t even believe evolution happened). Anyways, the concept, in humans, is a whole lot older than feminism.

Wtf forms require one to put one’s parent(s) gender anyways? Schools usually guess based on the names (which has its own issues) — but once one graduates, when the fuck does this even come up?

themisanthropicmuse
themisanthropicmuse
8 years ago

“Well there’s no such thing as trans anything.”

How about trans fat, trans ams, the trans siberian orchestra?
Don’t worry brother, I know that all those things have also been faked by the illuminati to dupe sheeple into accepting the validity of the word ‘transgender’ for dubious reasons unknown… Those diabolical bastards.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“Do you freak out each time someone gets body modifications like ear rings or tattoos?”

Hey NWO? My ears are gauged large enough you can see through them, but only at the right angle, and I frikken’ love it.

But no, that’s impossible, or something, because only humans pierce things.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

@Argenti

Clown fish being one of them! when the female of the group dies, the dominant male will become female. Finding Nemo got it all wrong, when Nemo’s mother dies his father should have became his mother (though I guess you could argue this didn’t happen because he wasn’t in a group, or maybe he wasn’t dominant enough…misandry!!!)

Interesting how basically the alpha fish ends up qualifying to be female (it’s based on size, and female clown fish tend to be bigger than the males) I’m sure NWO’s head will explode now as he dismisses clown fish as being tools of the femisandryarchy xD

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Quackers — Fish are weird (which is why I love them). “femisandryarchy” = lol, yes!

At a guess, Nemo’s father didn’t become his mother because then a children’s show would’ve had to deal with gender changing animals and well, that’s disney isn’t it?

Fembot
Fembot
8 years ago

Animals don’t use toilets, therefore toilets shouldn’t exist! Off to the woods with you all!

Sharculese
8 years ago

@crumb

you cant really shame owlslave on that point. he hates gay people almost as much as he hates immodestly dressed women.

2-D Man
2-D Man
8 years ago

Well there’s no such thing as trans anything. Since we’re entertaining the ridiculous, why not trans species as well. Can you imagine a childs confusion just trying to fill out a parental form? “Well my mom-dad-mom-chimp #4 was a man, who transed to a woman, who went gay while being respecied, who afterwards transed back to a man, where I was implanted from a turkey baster sperm joint between my two lesbian mom/dads of which both transed back and forth repeatedly, after shacking up with the family dog, who also transed.”

What is that?

No, seriously, what is that?

2-D Man
2-D Man
8 years ago

Ah, the bolding doesn’t show up very well. I was trying to highlight the phrase, “parental form”.

I still don’t know what that is. Who fills out parental forms? And who makes them fill those out?

Sharculese
8 years ago

Big Daddy govt obviously

Sylocat
Sylocat
8 years ago

Consider this. There is a very clear and even rather unfriendly rift between radical feminists and liberal “fun feminists.” The ideas about sexuality, the acceptance towards transpeople and even the attitude towards men is very obviously different to anyone with an ounce of reading comprehension and self awareness. However, with MRAs, not so much. They all seem to quietly support each other and rarely, if ever, call each other out.

The entire MRM is based on a blatant falsehood (namely, the lie that men are a persecuted and disenfranchised minority), so it primarily attracts people who have an axe to grind.

2-D Man
2-D Man
8 years ago

2-D Man: Why don’t you actually try clicking on the goddamn links? They’re screenshots from a feminist website whose members do fundraising for the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Hippie Redneck: 1) Because I don’t trust Paul Elam.

2) Because I’m busy. Seriously, today I was making a nice, dark scotch ale, but I don’t think I properly mixed it before extracting my sample to measure the specific gravity because my measurement was 1.074, but the recipe said it should be 1.085. Not only that, but the brewing took extra long because the obscene amount of sugar that went into that batch (for those not in the know, 1.074 is an absurdly high S.G. and will probably get me a beer around 7% ABV) wound up forcing me to use two kettles instead of one, and I didn’t RTFM of the yeast package, even though I needed to because I’d never used wet yeast before, but now it seems to be bubbling away just fine.

All of the above is more relevant to this discussion than your idiotic red herring about the SPLC and does more to answer your questions than you did mine: why didn’t you just link to the feminist website?

(Besides, if all of those do refer to RadFemHub, as others have alluded to, you could just link to their front page. You’re about as likely to find hate there as you are to find violence- or rape-apologia at AVfM.)

Sharculese
8 years ago

i fucking love this article description on avfm

In his analysis of feminist governance in the country of Sweden, James Williams gives us two analogous descriptions. The Terminator, and Hitler. It may well be that by the time things run their course in that country, neither will be sufficient. Nor would anything else we can imagine.

are feminists like the terminator, or are they like hitler. we can’t decide, but what we can tell you is that theyre actually double super hitler.

2-D Man
2-D Man
8 years ago

Big Daddy govt obviously [makes people fill out parental forms]

Those… BASTARDS!

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

are feminists like the terminator, or are they like hitler. we can’t decide, but what we can tell you is that theyre actually double super hitler.

But the real question remains: If we compare Double Super Hitler and the Terminator side-by-side, can we accurately determine which of them would win in a fight?

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
8 years ago

Well, let’s see, one’s an Austrian obsessed with notions of physical perfection who managed to reach high office in a country in which he wasn’t born, and the other was a fictional character played by an Austrian obsessed with notions of physical perfection who managed to reach high office in a country in which he wasn’t born.

I hope that helps.

Fembot
Fembot
8 years ago

In his analysis of feminist governance in the country of Sweden, James Williams gives us two analogous descriptions. The Terminator, and Hitler. It may well be that by the time things run their course in that country, neither will be sufficient. Nor would anything else we can imagine.

What a bunch of idiot fucking assholes.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
8 years ago

AVFM has been linking his doxing a feminist post to MR subreddit again. They took it down, again.
He may very well want to FTSU but what he is doing is trying to get some “true believer” to do it for him.

Fembot
Fembot
8 years ago

@thebewildreness

That is very interesting. Can you go into more detail for me? Do you know which feminist post he is doxing?

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

You’d think, given NWO’s deep hatred and fear of trans* folk, he’d take a little time to find out what being trans* actually means. Well, you would, if he were anybody else. This is pretty par for the course for NWO.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
8 years ago

I’m sorry, I should have been clearer. His post that contained the doxing of a feminist is what he linked on MR subreddit.
It is the same woman he has published the personal info on before. He raised money so that he and the rest of the troops could investigate a list of women who comment on the Hub. This was some months ago. Most of their guesses were wrong, so a whole bunch of women got a heaping helping of harassment right out of the blue.
A visit from law enforcement served to confirm that he got one right. He has been publishing her personal info every few months and linking his posts to other MRA sites. It may just be his effort to prove that the d00dz got something instead of nothing for their money, but it may well be that the purpose of continuing to post her contact info is to encourage an ongoing campaign of harassment, or perhaps a physical confrontation.
Perhaps I am using the term doxing incorrectly. He is publishing personal info on a person who has not shared that info herself.

Fembot
Fembot
8 years ago

@thebewilderness

Thanks. I had to look up “doxing” since I didn’t know what it means, but I think you used it correctly. I was just interested in what Elam was doing. I tried to Google it, but ended up getting pissed off at the first article I read and the subsequent delusional comments. Those people are so fucked up. And Elam just confirms the misogynistic bias in his comments to females, calling them “cupcake” and “entitled” and “how dare you express an opinion” and “stop trying to silence us!” I really can’t wait until the main stream media gets a whiff of these guys. Can you imagine John Stewart, Steven Colbert, or Tosh ripping these guys a new one on TV? I pray for it every day 😀

Fembot
Fembot
8 years ago

I mean Jon Stewart, duh

Noadi
Noadi
8 years ago

@Fembot: Considering recent behavior by Tosh I suspect ripping on them isn’t what he would do. Stewart or Colbert on the other hand, oh how I would love to see them tackle the MRM.

Bee
Bee
8 years ago

I really can’t wait until the main stream media gets a whiff of these guys. Can you imagine John Stewart, Steven Colbert, or Tosh ripping these guys a new one on TV? I pray for it every day 😀

I really can’t because, well, Tosh, y’know, and as far as I’ve ever noticed, Jon Stewart is the kind of guy who thinks it’s okay to position himself in the middle on questions like Are Women Human – yes/no? because to pick a side would be scary and radical. Although Samantha Bee did do this, that one time.

But I have to say, the MRM really marginalizes/ridicules itself. It would be one thing if the MSM could be counted on to laughingly point out how fucking pathetic they are, but I have a feeling it would be more along the lines of “Look how scary!” Which is exactly what Elam, etc. want — credibility and attention.

Nah, I’d rather they remain ignored by most and thoroughly mocked for their views by the rest. I mean, they fucking LOVE David and the attention they get on this blog. They’d fucking explode if mentioned on a national TV show.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

Yeah, before you go hoping the MRM gets serious media exposure, imagine what Fox News would do with them. Or Rush Limbaugh.