Poor Paul Elam. Here he is, the self-annointed leader of the world’s greatest 21st century human rights movement, and for some strange reason people keep mistaking him for some sort of two-bit hatemonger.
No, really!
In his latest post on A Voice for Men, Mr. Elam laments the evil way one Australian news site took AVFM’s rallying cry – “Fuck Their Shit Up” — and made it seem kind of mean. Also, they added an “ing” to “fuck.” Elam writes:
[Journalist Tory] Shepherd (or her editors) gave a subheading to her piece which read:
Hate site’s motto is ‘F***king their s**t up
Misuse of the transitive verb aside, and ignoring the fact that even when properly quoted it is not the sites motto (which is “Take the Red Pill”), the use of that phrase in the sub-header was calculated to make AVfM appear to be a hate site.
How unfair to tag a website with the slogan it uses constantly! And, really, how could anyone see “fuck their shit up” as anything but a spirited call for peacefulness, understanding, and love?
Elam continues:
It is intended to make us look as though we have violent leanings; that we are a threat to the personal security of feminists, and indeed to women in general.
Because of this potential for misunderstanding, Elam has decided to retire the catchphrase in favor of one that will more accurately convey AVFM’s message of love.
Oops, sorry. That would be a logical thing to do, and Elam is clearly a man beyond mere logic.
Instead, he decided to see how many times he could use the phrase “fuck their shit up” and variants thereof in the course of a single blog post. To make counting easier in the quotes that follow, I will put each use of the phrase in bold.
I have a personal, deeply personal message for [Tory Shepherd] and for two others of her ilk associated with this “story.”
Tory Shepherd, I am here to fuck your shit up.
Betty McLellan, I am here to fuck your shit up
Michael Flood, I am here to fuck your shit up.
And in case any of the three of you are as stupid as you sound, I mean it literally. I want your shit fucked up in a permanent and irreversible way. I want the harsh, unforgiving light of truth to shine on you and other hateful swine that spread bigotry and violence under the guise of advancing the cause of women.
Nothing hateful to see here, move right along!
Oh, wait, there’s more:
Do I want to fuck these peoples shit up? Oh yes, I certainly do. And it has already begun to happen. …
This, and by that I mean the truth, is fucking their shit up. It is happening in the best possible way and all their powerless wailing and lies about FTSU meaning violence won’t stop it.
The growth of this movement depends, wholly and completely, on our ideas being exposed to rational people who value fairness and justice. We are now getting that exposure, and it is scaring the living shit out of the likes of McLellan, Shepherd and Flood.
That fear looks damned good on them. …
We are dealing with liars and bigots. They have no sense of honor or decency. When I call Michael Flood a sociopathic pig, it is not an adolescent ad hominem used in the absence of substance, but an unavoidable conclusion rooted in the reality of his conduct as a human being. …
We are not compelled to play nice with these hateful ideologues any more than we would feel compelled to politely discuss race relations with the Ku Klux Klan, or debate reproductive rights with people who bomb abortion clinics.
Our one and only job is to fuck their shit up; to make them suffer the pain of truth, and to keep doing it till they have no place to hide. …
All we have to do is fuck their shit up, then wake up tomorrow and do it again. They are powerless to stop it.
And … scene!
So that’s eight uses of Elam’s favorite catchphrase in one post. Paul and hate make eight! Oh, wait, the title of the post is also “Fuck Their Shit Up.” So that’s nine. Oh, and he used the acronym FTSU twice, too, once in the post and once in his bio. That’s eleven.
Keep digging, Paul! And take the rest of the MRAs down to the center of the earth with you, while you’re at it.
Oh, and apparently AVFM’s JohnTheOther has written an entire post of his own, also attacking Shepherd, also complaining about the evil of people quoting AVFM’s favorite catchphrase (and sometimes even adding “ing” to it), and quite possibly accusing her of supporting mass murder. I’m not sure of the details. I just glanced at it. I refuse to read the whole thing on general principle. Life is short, and JtO’s posts are really, really long.
which is of course why he’s the one showing up in someone elses comment section to make dumb potshots, duh
Oh please. Jezebel has a feature called “Fuck, Marry, Kill” where three men are lined up and readers encouraged to contemplate which one they would have sex with, which one they would consider as a partner and which one they would murder.
But that’s just all in good fun!
Hypocritical much?
My question is, what EXACTLY do they mean by “fuck their shit up”? It’s always left as vague as possible, with allusions to “evil feminist plots” (that are never specified) that must be defeated.
I’m not sure that “hot young conventionally attractive women have an easier time finding interested sex partners than most white, passive-aggressive misogynistic men” is really a great rallying cry to remove basic human rights for women.
If the great feminist conspiracy is to have women be treated like actual HUMAN BEINGS, then color me unconvinced that this is some kind of bad thing.
…why do people keep trying to insult David’s weight like this isn’t in the FAQ?
Get some new material.
how many times do we have to be like, ‘youre right, jezebel kind of sucks’ before you dudes will stop being like ‘but what about jezebel, huh, what do you have to say about that’
but seriously, if youre comparing a middle school lunchtime game to paul elams screaming violence tantrums than i dunno what to tell you besides get a sense of proportion
paul elam thinks that if he talks all the time about vaguely violent shit, but never actually tells anyone to go out and commit acts of violence then everyone is fooled. this is either because he is stupid or he thinks that his readers or stupid. or both.
RE Elam, I suspect that it’s because he knows that being more specific might get him in trouble with the authorities. He skirts just barely on the right side of the law from a technical point of view while pissing all over the spirit behind it.
OMG, there was a debate? Is there video-tape footage? Do they really rant and claim victory IRL as on the forums?
I feel like such a newbie right now!!!
Oh no, Jezebel author Every Woman Ever, you have let us down once again.
No, srsly, Jezebel is pretty terrible at feminism, this is not news, nor does it prove that playing FMK is somehow feminist and all the feminists love it.
Charlotte: But that’s just all in good fun!
Well… who there is saying they would, “literally” make that choice to kill someone?
Who there is saying, “fear looks good on them”?
It may be in less than brilliant taste (Jezebel often is, IMO), but I’ve yet to see anything there which said, And in case any of the three of you are as stupid as you sound, I mean it literally. I want your shit fucked up in a permanent and irreversible way.
It’s a bit telling that Elam, et al, have to make such a point that they don’t encourage violence. If they don’t mean to inspire violence, why make violent rhetoric such a large part of the motif?
Here’s the “debate” in question:
http://manboobz.blogspot.com/p/not-so-great-debate-on-domestic.html
Howard: There was an attempt at debate. Elam tried to take his ball and go home.
Then he declared victory, which is why his miserable lackies, and lickspittle minions, like meadering over here to mewl laboriously about his brilliance. (Varpole, not that I played with language. Four gibes, alternating ML and LM, twice. That’s the sort of thing you can teach yourself to do)
What amuses me is that they must think it some sort of victory, or they wouldn’t keep bringing it up.
Every time they do, it gets linked, and people who would otherwise live in blissful ignorance are apprised of it.
And thus expose Elam to more critical evaluation.
I am a radical feminist, and I dot no advocate mass murder. I also don’t wanna fall in love.
Anyone who enjoys seeing other people in fear is a shit-fuckin’ psychopath.
Do NOT, rather.
Awww, no videotape. Booooo!
And reading how it went–yeah, they seriously want to bring that up? It really does show how they think. “We yelled louder–we must have won!” “We got to heap abuse on people–we must have won!”
Yeah.
One of the trolls here kept posting something recently, about how they kept trying and trying, repeating the truth clearly, but we either could not understand them or claimed it was hateful garbage they were shoveling. Their conclusion is that every single one of us was somehow unable to understand complex things.
The much simpler idea that they were ranting hateful garbage just never was even considered as a possibility.
Hey, wasn’t Steele saying that the Men’s Rights Movement was about helping the exploited? And he was gonna go tell Paul Elam on TM?
…oh, Steele…?
I like how Hippie Redneck’s little link-dump of All The Terrible Things of Feminism points solely to AVfM.
See how terrible Paul Elam says feminists are?
(Psst. If you want to talk about the terrible things someone says, link to the things they say.)
You do know that Jezebel has been called out for misogyny on this very site, right?
2-D Man – It is a well-known fact in the MRA community that if you ever read feminist writing directly, you’ll grow hair on your palms and go blind.
I think we already established that context and consistency are misandry.
Also I think blogs written or read by women may also be misandry, in that they distract women from their sammich making and blow-job giving duties.
Wow, could I have fit the word “also” into that comment any more often? Apparently Steele’s shitty writing is contagious.
2-D Man: Why don’t you actually try clicking on the goddamn links? They’re screenshots from a feminist website whose members do fundraising for the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Is Charlotte Ruby’s slightly smarter but just as yappy and pointless sister?
Chalrotte, run along–we’ve said repeatedly that Jezebel sucks it, so back to the Treehouse with you.
Oh no, they’ve discovered that ALL FEMINISTS EVERYWHERE are represented by like thirty people on RadHub! Seriously, we don’t even like them, they’re usually jerks to trans women and sex workers, and sometimes even to straight women.
And I like how “made a donation to the SPLC” has gotten spin-doctored into “are the SPLC’s official fundraising team.”