Poor Paul Elam. Here he is, the self-annointed leader of the world’s greatest 21st century human rights movement, and for some strange reason people keep mistaking him for some sort of two-bit hatemonger.
No, really!
In his latest post on A Voice for Men, Mr. Elam laments the evil way one Australian news site took AVFM’s rallying cry – “Fuck Their Shit Up” — and made it seem kind of mean. Also, they added an “ing” to “fuck.” Elam writes:
[Journalist Tory] Shepherd (or her editors) gave a subheading to her piece which read:
Hate site’s motto is ‘F***king their s**t up
Misuse of the transitive verb aside, and ignoring the fact that even when properly quoted it is not the sites motto (which is “Take the Red Pill”), the use of that phrase in the sub-header was calculated to make AVfM appear to be a hate site.
How unfair to tag a website with the slogan it uses constantly! And, really, how could anyone see “fuck their shit up” as anything but a spirited call for peacefulness, understanding, and love?
Elam continues:
It is intended to make us look as though we have violent leanings; that we are a threat to the personal security of feminists, and indeed to women in general.
Because of this potential for misunderstanding, Elam has decided to retire the catchphrase in favor of one that will more accurately convey AVFM’s message of love.
Oops, sorry. That would be a logical thing to do, and Elam is clearly a man beyond mere logic.
Instead, he decided to see how many times he could use the phrase “fuck their shit up” and variants thereof in the course of a single blog post. To make counting easier in the quotes that follow, I will put each use of the phrase in bold.
I have a personal, deeply personal message for [Tory Shepherd] and for two others of her ilk associated with this “story.”
Tory Shepherd, I am here to fuck your shit up.
Betty McLellan, I am here to fuck your shit up
Michael Flood, I am here to fuck your shit up.
And in case any of the three of you are as stupid as you sound, I mean it literally. I want your shit fucked up in a permanent and irreversible way. I want the harsh, unforgiving light of truth to shine on you and other hateful swine that spread bigotry and violence under the guise of advancing the cause of women.
Nothing hateful to see here, move right along!
Oh, wait, there’s more:
Do I want to fuck these peoples shit up? Oh yes, I certainly do. And it has already begun to happen. …
This, and by that I mean the truth, is fucking their shit up. It is happening in the best possible way and all their powerless wailing and lies about FTSU meaning violence won’t stop it.
The growth of this movement depends, wholly and completely, on our ideas being exposed to rational people who value fairness and justice. We are now getting that exposure, and it is scaring the living shit out of the likes of McLellan, Shepherd and Flood.
That fear looks damned good on them. …
We are dealing with liars and bigots. They have no sense of honor or decency. When I call Michael Flood a sociopathic pig, it is not an adolescent ad hominem used in the absence of substance, but an unavoidable conclusion rooted in the reality of his conduct as a human being. …
We are not compelled to play nice with these hateful ideologues any more than we would feel compelled to politely discuss race relations with the Ku Klux Klan, or debate reproductive rights with people who bomb abortion clinics.
Our one and only job is to fuck their shit up; to make them suffer the pain of truth, and to keep doing it till they have no place to hide. …
All we have to do is fuck their shit up, then wake up tomorrow and do it again. They are powerless to stop it.
And … scene!
So that’s eight uses of Elam’s favorite catchphrase in one post. Paul and hate make eight! Oh, wait, the title of the post is also “Fuck Their Shit Up.” So that’s nine. Oh, and he used the acronym FTSU twice, too, once in the post and once in his bio. That’s eleven.
Keep digging, Paul! And take the rest of the MRAs down to the center of the earth with you, while you’re at it.
Oh, and apparently AVFM’s JohnTheOther has written an entire post of his own, also attacking Shepherd, also complaining about the evil of people quoting AVFM’s favorite catchphrase (and sometimes even adding “ing” to it), and quite possibly accusing her of supporting mass murder. I’m not sure of the details. I just glanced at it. I refuse to read the whole thing on general principle. Life is short, and JtO’s posts are really, really long.
my face
my palm
they have joined in beautiful congress
what is life
why.
He wants to *literally* fuck their shit up? Their literal shit? What does that involve?
@Graham: I literally think that literal people who use literal as some form of asshat emphasis should literally be smacked.
Literally fucking their shit would I presume involve collecting their shit (I hope they charge him for it!), and fucking it.
Seems like that might be a good match for his skill set and capabilities.
LITERALLY!
@graham. Bad tacos. Too much beer. A really spicy curry. Basically he wants to feed them. See? Peace and love!
Coprophilia. For sure.
How dare people suggest that we’re a threat to the safety of feminists! BTW, people who I think are feminists, I’m going to fuck your shit up. Just so you know.
Should we start calling him No Self-Awareness Man?
“Accuse me of making violent threats? I’ll show you violent threats!”
#abuserlogic
Paul Elam: literally a shit fucker.
I clicked through to the post to see if David was hiding some context, some part where Elam explains that “fuck their shit up” is a metaphor for peaceful ideological change.
The post image was of a boxer standing over a defeated opponent. Erm.
The closest he gets to justifying it as non-violent is this bit:
So you see it’s just a needlessly aggressive and violent metaphor for MRAs, er, continuing to exist. Get up in the morning, scratch your ass, shit out a couple “yeah right on Paul” comments on AVfM? You are Fucking Their Shit Up. And if people are offended by your comments, that’s like double FTSU points.
That’s almost sadder. I mean, it’s not violent I guess, yay for that, but it shows just how incredibly myopic and petty their idea of “activism” is.
JtO’s argument:
Shepherd interviewed Betty McLellan. McLellan contributes to Radfem hub. Other people on Radfem Hub proposed getting rid of men through eugenics, and other terrible things. Therefore, everyone associated with Radfem Hub advocates mass murder. AVfM opposes Radfem Hub. Therefore everyone who criticizes AVfM must agree with every post and/or comment on Radfem Hub. Therefore Shepherd advocates mass murder.
Also, by calling MRAs “extremists” Shepherd allies herself with US military aggression. Therefore, Shepherd is also to blame for drone strikes in Pakistan, apparently.
At the end, he highlights a call to contact Shepherd, and for some reason — inexplicable, since we all know they are all about peace and love — he feels the need to remind them not “to include threats of violence, or damage to property.”
I’ll just say, that this is an unusually bad piece of writing, even for JtO. Incomplete sentences, clashing verb tenses, a terrible semicolon massacre about 2/3 of the way through that still has my eyes bleeding…
Does JtO actually support mass murder of the English language? To quote JtO, I wouldn’t bet on no.
Okay, so Elam meant literally fucking their shit up metaphorically. Is this a literal metaphor or a metaphorical metaphor? Is it literally a metaphorical metaphor, or?
This literally makes my brain freeze.
I find it pretty odd (and quite telling), Futrelle, that you try to infer from these quotes that Paul & co. are advocating physical violence against women (even though they have explicitly condemned it countless times), and completely ignore it when feminists openly advocate violence against men and little boys, promote neglect of male infants, sex-selective abortions, eugenics, and did I mention violence against little boys?
I also love how you omitted the link in Paul’s article to an article at Fathers 4 Equality which PROVES what a sociopath Michael Flood is. Since you’re too much of a fucking coward to show it, I’ll do it myself: http://www.f4e.com.au/blog/2011/11/17/michael-flood-when-equality-becomes-the-new-enemy-of-feminism/
Just give it up. You’re fighting a losing battle.* And no, trying to discredit my links just because they came from MRA websites will not help you.
*denotes a quote which you could mine and take out of context to continue trying to make MRAs look violent.
So, did Steele Sorebuttpole ever send Elam an email regarding Tom Martin? Any denouncing child prostitution?
This is one of the best things I’ve ever read on this site. “Since I’m obviously smarter than you, let me explain that I misuse words so badly that I just declared that I really want to have sex with your feces forever.”
FTSU was really damn popular in middle school. I don’t think I’ve heard the phrase between then and now.
So when I call Paul Elam a sociopathic pig, it is not an adolescent ad hominem used in the absence of substance, but an unavoidable conclusion rooted in the reality of his conduct as a human being. …
Elame, if the shoe fits…
I’m more fascinated by the discovery that there’s a university in Australia which employs both a woman who writes for RedFemHub and a man who writes for A Voice for Men.
This fracas should, nay must, end with them falling in love.
Really, Elam? You’re going with “I like seeing people in fear” in your blog post about how you’re being misrepresented as violent? Okee doke.
“We hate you!” … “How dare you call us a hate site!? Now we REALLY hate you for calling us haters!” You almost feel bad for them, they make the mocking almost too easy.
Quoting from Cliff’s quotation:
Uh, I suggest you search google groups for the soc.men newsgroup archives. It’s been more than “just a very few years” that MRAs have been online. They just didn’t catch on via usenet, and seem to be struggling with blogs.
Was John the Other the VERB! VERB! ONOMATOPOEIA! (Hey! I spelled that right my first try!) guy?
no that was paul-e
3 years later and flabtrelle still hasn’t gotten over the fact that he got spanked in the debate ;(((((((((((((((((
Even better.
“Our successes are due to the righteousness of our cause! Our failures are due to our many powerful enemies!“