The other day we took a look at some of the more reprehensible opinions of Tom Martin, one of the UK’s most prominent Men’s Rights Activists and a man who evidently believes that child prostitutes are taking the easy way out to avoid having to get real jobs. He returned with even worse stuff, which I highlighted in my previous post.
Happily for all of us, not all of Martin’s views are this reprehensible. Many are merely ridiculous. So, today, let’s look at the Lighter Side of Tom Martin, as evidenced by some of his recent comments here on Man Boobz.
Martin apparently spent last Sunday working on a video project which involved him buttonholing passers-by on the streets of London and asking them questions in order to “prove” his various crackpot theories about gender. Here’s how he explained one aspect of his video research:
After shooting my video experiment tomorrow to discover who is more sexist on the street, women or women, I will be shooting another short, investigating if there is a correlation between unfunny women and prostitution ethic. I believe women could be as funny as men on average if they tried, but instead, invest in whoring strategies. I have a reliable street experiment to investigate this hypothesis also …
If I can establish that women can be as funny as men (in a zero prostitution environment), then this video experiment will be released in a news piece, and used as a springboard to pre-sell the feature-length documentary it will form a part of, on a related topic.
Good luck with that!
Martin also took on the contentious (to him) subject of male baldness, a topic of intense interest to him, due to certain factors with regard to gender and misandry … er, long story short, he’s bald. Sorry, balding.
After one commenter here suggested that Martin’s ambition was to become a sort of “Ann Coulter … with less hair and more swearing,” he took umbrage – not at the comparison to Coulter but at the bit about hair.
Well Cassandra, there are five new baldness treatments in the pipeline, but no drugs for treating a receding personality, so what are you going to do?
In a followup comment, the man whose favorite word in the English language is “whore,” used as an insult, declared we were being a bunch of evil meanies for even mentioning the whole (lack of) hair thing:
Cassandra, thanks to your receding personality (for which there is already a cure – renunciation therapy), I have decided for my filmed experiment tomorrow to also measure the degree to which each sex is prepared to make physical insults about the other sex.
Even if you specifically were fat for instance, and it was all your own fault because you refuse to get a job, I would never mention it in a debate with you. I debated an obese woman once. She ordered a pizza whilst we were still on stage, but I did not refer to it at the time, because of the most basic standards of decorum.
This I believe was an attempt at a joke.
How many manboobzers are prepared now to concur that Cassandra was being a douche by picking on an involuntary physiological characteristic of a debating opponent? And then encouraging others to do the same?
Of course, in Martin’s mind, mocking women as fat whores is totally cool, because:
Fatness is a choice, ladies, and so is being a whore. Going bald (currently) is not, due to poor efficacy of available treatments, including transplants. That will change, if Aderans, Histogen, Replicel, Allergen and Tsuji-Lab among others have anything to do with it. All you need to do in the meantime is shut the fuck up until they sort it out. The apparent acceptability of attacking the bald though, is a great example of the lack of equality men have. People do not generally attack or humiliate women who are going bald – but when it’s a man…
Uh, yeah, that’s why virtually every bald or balding woman wears a hat or a wig, while bald or balding men just comb it over or shave it all off.
Evidently Martin feels that even a mention of his lack of hair is some kind of hate crime. Here, prominent Bald Rights Activist Larry David tries to convince authorities to investigate a similar hate crime against him.
Note to Martin: Larry David’s show, “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” is fictional.
(Note: Tom Martin has confirmed that this is indeed him posting comments here on Man Boobz by sending an email from the account associated with his website Sexismbusters.org. Also, he’s retweeted quotes from his comments here. Contact him via his web site if you are skeptical.)
it’s actually everyone but me, toysoldier, the most super special and important person in the world, is wrong, especially that stupid meaniehead david futrelle
the details are important with ts
On the actual planet of reality, PZ Myers’ makes some good points about what the change in test scores actually means:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/07/18/watch-out-for-the-gmws-genetically-modified-women/
As I recall it Tommy-Boy’s definition of a whore is any woman who has benefited from any act, of any man; be he alive or dead, who has not paid cash for it.
In short, being a woman = being a “hoor”.
A bunch of co-workers and I were bored one summer at work, and we all did some internet IQ tests for shits and giggles. Not saying we’re generally stupid, but what are the odds of a bunch of average office peons all having an IQ of over 150? And we ALL had IQs over 150.
“it’s actually everyone but me, toysoldier, the most super special and important person in the world, is wrong, especially that stupid meaniehead david futrelle”
Ah yes, right, sorry.
Ithiliana — this is the simple version, but people have been getting smarter in general (just google the Flynn effect, my explanations won’t do the issue justice) — “Their grandmothers were just as smart, but were molded in ways that limited expression of their intelligence.” — is reminding me of just how recently “gain a child loose a tooth” level shit stopped being relevant, the nutrition theory might apply to whatever we’re going to end up calling “oh look, women have the same IQ scores as men” (seeing how Flynn’s already got one effect named after him, idfk what they’ll call this one)
@Unimaginative
I’ve taken a few IQ tests and gotten different results. On ones that are more language oriented I score 150 -170. But on spatial or mathematical ones I score around 120-130.
“And we ALL had IQs over 150.”
o.O? I HAZ DOUBTZ (about that test) — <0.13% of people score >145. Mensa level is about 140 (about because they want the top 2% and where exactly that falls depends on the test…)
Apparently your office should all try joining Mensa. (Actually, don’t, they just want money so you can have a fancy label, I tend to laugh at people who actually join Mensa)
One theory I’ve heard about the Flynn effect (this was in the New Yorker) is that IQ tests tend to reward a certain kind of categorization that is more common in industrializing nations. For example, if you are asked which of these doesn’t belong, and the question is hammer, saw, block of wood, and scythe, the IQ test says the block of wood, because it isn’t a tool, while some people might saw scythe, because all the rest are used for the same project, the the Flynn effect might be caused by more people using the kind of categorization the IQ tests favor.
Yep, pretty much, and this is probably what it is that sticks in his craw:
And be scorned as sluts and/or “hoors” (regardless of whether a transaction or barter was involved or not), unlike those who were dropping their hats.
@ Argenti, yeah, I have the same doubts. Actually, I did a bunch of googling about IQs in general after that, and I now think a person’s IQ is just not a very useful datum. The thing that really made me go HMMMM was Malcolm Gladwell’s book Outliers (which I listen to on road trips, because it’s fascinating and makes the trip go by painlessly). In it, he talks about a long-term study done on genius children in the early 1900s, and it found that IQ, in and of itself, is not a very good indicator of a child’s ultimate success in life (for the various ways that success is defined in Western society).
(And no, I didn’t go looking review the primary sources, just going by Gladwell’s recounting of it.)
Tommy: Male pattern baldness also correlates with increased risk of prostate cancer, and heart disease.
And I suspect the underlying correlation isn’t going to be obviated by countering the phenotypic expression by making hair grow again.
Male pattern baldness also correlates with increased risk of prostate cancer, and heart disease.
I can see the complaint. Contra your argument baldness, qua baldness, isn’t fatal. It is, however (in part because of the social pressures you cite) likely to be profitable. Antibiotics are only money-makers when people get sick, vanity treatments are big sellers, year in; year out.
And make no bones about it, it’s a vanity treatment. I like my hair. I enjoy the way it feels when I drag it across my back. I like braiding it. I like the way it looks, but if (when) it goes away, I’ll still be me. I might, for all those reasons I gave, spend some money to keep it, but I’m not going to pretend that, if I don’t (or if I can’t afford it) that it’s in any way comparable to someone who is dying.
As to this: 2-D, several people have died from lack of hair, as the bullying, marginalization and depression has driven them to suicide… Bald people are perceived as less socially competent, less physically attractive, less trustworthy, and less popular… is pretty fucking rich coming from you, Mr. Tom, “All women are Who*es” Martin.
For men, you have all the sympathy in the world. Women… they have to go around abasing themselves before you will entertain the possibility they aren’t in need of being taxed to penury.
You should go running naked through nettles when sunburned.
Tommy: I was finishing with a girlfriend recently…
Cool Story Bro.
I’d pass a lie detector on this one. [regarding blather about child prostitutes being informed actors]
Yeah… but you know what… Lie detectors are bunk. Anyone who knows that, can lie to them. More to the point, insomuch as they do work, they measure not “truth” but belief. We know you believe that. That you believe it is what disgusts us about you.
Unimaginative — um, short version, as the longer version feels like a combination of bragging and a pity-party, Gladwell’s data fits my anecdotes. IQ supposedly measures some sort of outside-the-box thinking (with a standard test o.O?) while, at least in America, worker drones are who gets paid. Yeah sure, entrepreneurs might make more than a stable, boring job would, or they might end up completely fucking broke — a certain degree of “do not ask wtf the question means, just answer the question” is required to “succeed” (I’m kind of wary of that term, seeing how I know a genius or two who’s defended it as making money, no matter the cost, money = success, full stop; which just appalls me)
I’ve only ever done one IQ test in my life, not that i’d remember them if I had done more*..
..So I went and Googled a bit just to see some random sample IQ test questions.. and wow. About 75% just look like everyday knowledge questions for a start. And if i’ve learnt anything from D&D, it’s that knowledge and intelligence aren’t the same thing!
Of course, those could just be really shitty internet tests and not representative of “well-designed” ones. But I don’t know.. to me it seems weird to try to test intelligence through simple one-line questions, rather than looking at a person’s overall problem solving skill and how fast they adapt to different situations/solve the problems.
I’m not an expert on these tests though, unless 5 seconds on Google makes you an expert now. 😀
*Attack of the Sieve Brain, coming soon to a theatre near you.
@Wordspinner
I can’t speak to IQ tests in particular, but crosscultural studies have found consistent differences in how we categorize objects based on whether we come at it from independent or interdependent modes of thinking. In general, on a test like that, people from independent cultures are more likely to choose the block of wood, while those from an interdependent culture are more likely to choose the scythe, based on the same rationales that you mentioned.
Shade — the length of time it takes to answer the question is supposed to matter, yeah. And I know white wolf (vampire, oWoD) way better than D&D but no, knowledge =/= intelligence…VtM uses intelligence as IQ, and wits as how fast your PC thinks, basically. (Utterly off topic, but omgs do PCs using non-character knowledge to “solve” things annoy me…yes, great, you know that clans weakness, but does your character?!)
Urgh, yeah, metagaming. I remember having to deal with that a lot.. Metagamers are even worse than powergamers. D:
hey Shade, i downloaded Warlock and lost 5 hours to it yesterday when i was home sick from work (and consequently small child free). There are a lot of things that like to attack you in it! and the mana collection took a few minutes for me to get organised…
BigMomma: How are you enjoying it so far? 😀
I find a good way to deal with the roaming animals is to station a couple of archer units next to a city, then you’ll have those plus the city’s own attack to deal with any animals that come near (also, enchanting their attacks with the frost spell gives them a bit of extra punch).
Once you get access to hiring a hero, those are good for sending around to deal with the actual animal dens that pop up since they’re pretty tough units.
Steelebutt Varhorn: However, if we accept my theory- Martin could have been assured financial compensation by feminists, much moreso than he lost. And now that he’s got exposure, it’s possible he’s been ordered by his bosses to “reveal” himself as an unspeakably, almost comically, foul individual. His name is being dragged through the mud, but given the extent of the feminist coffers, I could see him playing along for the right price.
Wow… and you support this twaddle how? Other than “I am sure it is true”. Because we’ve seen 800 comments worth of your analysis (quite apart from the sterling examples of your thoughts here, under both your name and Torvus Butthorn’s), and the amazing tour de force which was anti-manboobz.
You will need to do better than Aristotle on the teeth of women on this one.
Varpole: This sort of thing: “Again, I pop on quickly once in a while to scan the latest Boobzland has to offer. Many of my comments were made on the clock, at work, in quick bursts, when I had some downtime. I know most of you get on and stare slack-jawed at the screen for hours, but I’ve learned to be efficient; I’ve had to, in my line of work,” is why we call you disingenous.
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That’s from 1623, to 0011, on July 13-14. You telling us you were putting in eight hours on a Friday night?
Before that we see you posting at these times; which run right round the clock.
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So either you have some really odd working hours (for an urban professional), or you are fudging, just a bit.
I know which of those I believe.
Varpole: Vile strawman. I’ve copped to my mistake- . But from a logical point of view, your gormless acceptance of Futrelle’s assertion is troubling and telling, indicative of low intelligence.
Um… let’s see. Dave has not lied to us in the past. He reported a testable fact.
The intelligent thing to do, according to your, “efficient” brain, is to cal him a liar? Why? What have you got to sustain that idea?
Espcially as, once again, our past experience of his honesty was sustained; by your own admission you have lied to us, more than once (because you didn’t announce yourself as yourself when you returned in this incarnation).
It’s daft to say, “this person, who has been honest in the past, is to be disbelieved.” This certainly isn’t making the “logical conclusion” you are saying supports the idea that Tom Martin is a feminist plant.
Futrelle did indeed launch a smear campaign against me- it’s the first step in doxxing.
Bullshit. It’s holding you accountable for your words. It’s stopping your dishonest misrepresentations that you had someone who agreed with you,
Regardless, I maintain that Boobzland requires the injection of compassion and truth. If I had to adopt a moniker to further said goal, so be it.
Again, not what you did. You adopted “a moniker” to pretend someone else agreed with you. You were perfectly able to inject your ideas. You were getting pasted, and decided to manufacture an ally.
@Shade, i definitely feel a newbie on it – certain of the basics from Civ are there but the spell casting is a new (and interesting element) that i need to understand better to get the most from it. i think after the initial few hours, (which coincided with the kids getting home sadly) i was just getting the hang of the combat tactics but that’s a useful tip on the frost spell. Mostly i was just using the fireball spells to weaken a local rival mage. Yes, i got 2 heros (i was playing on easy level, i confess) and used the troll to bash the shit out of anything that got in my way.
i want to get back in to it so i can get better…i’ve been playing Civ for so long, actually this kinda reminds me a little of one of the Civ mods which was set in a fantasy world.
I’m trying to figure out how paying Tom “Penguins are Hoaring It Up” Martin to file a suit alleging misandry is a good plan.
It only works if they can be sure it will lose. So it requires that Misandry be something the law is guaranteed to decide isn’t true. Otherwise there is the risk that the case will be decided in Martin’s favor, and so backfire on the Feminist Conspiracy.
This seems to be a tacit admission on Varpole’s part that Misandry isn’t a logically defensible concept.
Let’s see… I realise my talent as a writer wasn’t quashed a-borning by a vile woman, but let’s see how many ways I can think to replace that word; of the top of my head, using no reference.
Revolting, repugnant, despicable, loathesome, disgusting, reprehensible, apalling, wretched, dishonest, malfeasant, scrofulent, effulgent, maggot-ridden, cromulent, slimy, misleading, willfully obstuse, pathetic, bathetic [ah, the joys of apposite, if subtle, distinction], lackwitted, misbegotten, morally bankrupt, vapid, amoral, opressive, deranged, effluvious, denialist, revisionist, unreasonable, invidious, sycophantic lickspittle… and that’s the end of the two minutes I gave myself.
That you can’t think of those words isn’t why you failed as a writer, it’s that you never thought some variation on the theme might make your message more interesting (and less mockworthy).