The other day we took a look at some of the more reprehensible opinions of Tom Martin, one of the UK’s most prominent Men’s Rights Activists and a man who evidently believes that child prostitutes are taking the easy way out to avoid having to get real jobs. He returned with even worse stuff, which I highlighted in my previous post.
Happily for all of us, not all of Martin’s views are this reprehensible. Many are merely ridiculous. So, today, let’s look at the Lighter Side of Tom Martin, as evidenced by some of his recent comments here on Man Boobz.
Martin apparently spent last Sunday working on a video project which involved him buttonholing passers-by on the streets of London and asking them questions in order to “prove” his various crackpot theories about gender. Here’s how he explained one aspect of his video research:
After shooting my video experiment tomorrow to discover who is more sexist on the street, women or women, I will be shooting another short, investigating if there is a correlation between unfunny women and prostitution ethic. I believe women could be as funny as men on average if they tried, but instead, invest in whoring strategies. I have a reliable street experiment to investigate this hypothesis also …
If I can establish that women can be as funny as men (in a zero prostitution environment), then this video experiment will be released in a news piece, and used as a springboard to pre-sell the feature-length documentary it will form a part of, on a related topic.
Good luck with that!
Martin also took on the contentious (to him) subject of male baldness, a topic of intense interest to him, due to certain factors with regard to gender and misandry … er, long story short, he’s bald. Sorry, balding.
After one commenter here suggested that Martin’s ambition was to become a sort of “Ann Coulter … with less hair and more swearing,” he took umbrage – not at the comparison to Coulter but at the bit about hair.
Well Cassandra, there are five new baldness treatments in the pipeline, but no drugs for treating a receding personality, so what are you going to do?
In a followup comment, the man whose favorite word in the English language is “whore,” used as an insult, declared we were being a bunch of evil meanies for even mentioning the whole (lack of) hair thing:
Cassandra, thanks to your receding personality (for which there is already a cure – renunciation therapy), I have decided for my filmed experiment tomorrow to also measure the degree to which each sex is prepared to make physical insults about the other sex.
Even if you specifically were fat for instance, and it was all your own fault because you refuse to get a job, I would never mention it in a debate with you. I debated an obese woman once. She ordered a pizza whilst we were still on stage, but I did not refer to it at the time, because of the most basic standards of decorum.
This I believe was an attempt at a joke.
How many manboobzers are prepared now to concur that Cassandra was being a douche by picking on an involuntary physiological characteristic of a debating opponent? And then encouraging others to do the same?
Of course, in Martin’s mind, mocking women as fat whores is totally cool, because:
Fatness is a choice, ladies, and so is being a whore. Going bald (currently) is not, due to poor efficacy of available treatments, including transplants. That will change, if Aderans, Histogen, Replicel, Allergen and Tsuji-Lab among others have anything to do with it. All you need to do in the meantime is shut the fuck up until they sort it out. The apparent acceptability of attacking the bald though, is a great example of the lack of equality men have. People do not generally attack or humiliate women who are going bald – but when it’s a man…
Uh, yeah, that’s why virtually every bald or balding woman wears a hat or a wig, while bald or balding men just comb it over or shave it all off.
Evidently Martin feels that even a mention of his lack of hair is some kind of hate crime. Here, prominent Bald Rights Activist Larry David tries to convince authorities to investigate a similar hate crime against him.
Note to Martin: Larry David’s show, “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” is fictional.
(Note: Tom Martin has confirmed that this is indeed him posting comments here on Man Boobz by sending an email from the account associated with his website Sexismbusters.org. Also, he’s retweeted quotes from his comments here. Contact him via his web site if you are skeptical.)
themisanthropicmuse said:
I’ve never heard *anyone* say pimps are just brokers before. How does one get this out of touch with reality?
You’ve never heard anyone say it before, because it is an original thought from me. The fact that you have to check if you’ve heard it before to work out whether the analysis has legitimacy or not says a lot.
Brokers or agents or managers arrange gigs, and take a cut of the profits.
Pimps or madams or “traffickers” arrange gigs, and take a cut of the profits.
Some acts can get by without an agent, but most acts prefer to have an agent.
Likewise, prostitutes can get by without a pimp, but most prefer pimps.
Incidentally, anecdotal evidence from the US, says a pimp’s life expectancy is even lower than a prostitute’s – so don’t take the line too seriously, that the pimp is using the prostitute.
Pulling out Dworking is like Godwinning to these people!
Someone…
Dworkin, dammit! She isn’t a gerund!
This thread is amazing.
Tom tries to convince Steele of his sincerity, but it isn’t Dworking.
Somehow I don’t think it’s the feminists who are confused on this particular matter…
@captainbathrobe Have you been dworking out?
@everyoneelse This is going to be one of those nights where I don’t want to go to sleep for fear I will miss the GREATEST THREAD EVER, isn’t it?
@ cloudiah
Honestly, I’m thinking of making some coffee.
Yeah he took part of our feminist mangina training program. It’s base of operations is in (land of David). I personally underwent mangina training myself in the school of white knighting.
I have 100 feminist lovers, and we cow testicles every day for dinner with a seasoning of man-tears from men who were falsely accused. My life is good, how about yours?
@ cloudiah,
We might have to break out the Red Bull to go along with the popcorn.
*is in Chicago (land of david)
captainbathrobe: “Of course! It’s the lizard people! Where’s NWOslave when you need him? He’d know about this stuff!”
They hate being called ‘lizard people’. Reptilians are a proud sort of lot, just like those grey aliens that make up the Illuminati who are keeping Andrea Dworkin’s reptilian spliced clone army under observation in area 51 until it is time for the Matriarchy to go forward with it’s evil plans for world domination.
I’m going into this seriously sleep-deprived, but will try to hang out as long as possible.
Steele, did you see where Tom called you a cowardly mangina? What is your response? Paul Elam is watching.
I have only recently started commenting regularly, but I’ve read Manboobz since basically the beginning, and this is only once of twice I can think of where MRAs have argued with each other (the other was that one MRA that denounced Tom Martin a few days ago–but even then, the second wasn’t even a troll, and he certainly wasn’t a regular).
Of course, it is only occurring because one troll thinks that the other is a feminist stooge, and the second troll isn’t responding so it is still upholding the “MRA trolls only fight with feminists, not other MRA trolls who disagree with them.”
@Torvus
Why are you calling Tom a mangina? So any man you don’t like is now automatically a mangina? How much more are you MRAs going to dilute the meaning of that word? Calling someone a mangina has about the same sting as calling them a poopyface. It means nothing.
They don’t just not fight with each other, the trolls hardly ever talk to each at all. It’s weird.
@Tom
Feminists are probably rolling their eyes at you when you talk to them because you’re a CREEP. In fact, I would even call you a SUPERCREEP. They’re probably just praying that you’ll shut the fuck up and go away.
Steelvus Buttpole: What is your position on Tom Martin’s positions? Would you please position the MRM in relation to Martin’s position?
Guys, don’t pick fights with the trolls right now, it’s so much funnier to watch them rant at each other.
no feminist organization that has £37,000 on hand gives a shit about making MRAs look bad in the comments to some blog
At this point, Boobzland is hardly “some blog”; it’s well known throughout both the femosphere and the manosphere.
But you’re right to a point- which is why it’s impressive, in its way. It makes sense to pick a sort of mid-level blog; it doesn’t have unlimited exposure, but it’s respected by those that do. Martin’s got to know that it’s only a matter of time before his revolting crap is picked up by the likes of Pandagon, Feministing, Pharyngula, Doyle, Deutsch or someone else with more clout than Futrelle. Then the local media. Then the national media. And at the end of this domino effect, the MRM is discredited, one of its “leaders” revealed as a foul child rape apologist.
I thought Tom Martin was leaving because of the censorship?
At any rate, this is fascinating but I’ve got a lot of meetings tomorrow. I’m going to bet that after a few more exchanges -if they have them- Steele will be won over by Martin’s persuasive arguments for “…the Movement.”
Martin is an amoral, text book huckster and Steele is hopelessly vapid and none too bright.
Should be a good read tomorrow morning
Steele, I would like you to explain to Tom exactly why you believe he cannot be an MRA. “Because you’re a terrible person” is not an acceptable answer – tell him what it is about his positions specifically that gives you the authority to boot him out of the MRM.
Tom Martin, what is your specific disagreement with Steele? Maybe we can bring you closer together, and heal this vile rift among MRAs. You’re hurting. Let us help.
Bostonian said,
Tom, the only one dead behind the eyes about men and boys is you. You are the one who argued that the boy who started being exploited by grown men at 7 was choosing that life.
Bostonian, when I was seven, I didn’t even know what sex was. I didn’t know where babies come from either. Why? Because nobody had explained it to me. However, a 7 year old boy, who is a prostitute, has clearly had it explained to him, and so does understand it! – because children are not idiots. They understand facts!
I am of the opinion, that children should be given sex education from the very earliest age, as part of their normal education. Withholding the information as we currently do, sends kids into a crazed frenzy to try it out all things sex-related once they do find out. When my class found out about sex, when we were 10 years old, we were literally running round the playground, in a mad frenzy, daring each other to strip, or groping each other, and so on – like dogs on heat, finally let off the leash. The school dance turned into a sudden snogfest, where our lives now depended on grabbing a member of the other sex, and getting it on.
It really was a very unseemly, unspeaking transition from child to adult. I didn’t say a single word to my first two girlfriends, nor them to me – we were too busy snogging, like our lives depended on it – and that was the norm. We’d been socialized not to talk about sex.
If 7 year olds already know what prostitution is, and what a bad idea it is for a career, and that sex is only really fun when it takes place between two people who are attracted to each other, then child prostitution will be a lot less likely to exist.
It’s like teen pregnancy in Europe. The countries that explain sex earlier on, have less teen pregnancy.
So, manboobzers position, that children are victims of child prostitution, is basically, another lack of a proper explanation, to the children at the sharp end.
Of course, early years education being so dominated by women, I think it unlikely that they’re ever going to give a straight up account of what prostitution is, and how best we as a society can avoid it.