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Men’s Rights Redditor: “Men … need to start putting … government agents who violate their rights in the dirt.” [+54 upvotes]

Today, in the Men’s Rights subreddit, we find Demonspawn, a long-time fixture in Reddit’s MRA circles, getting dozens of upvotes for a comment in which he advocates murdering family court judges and other government officials:

Demonspawn is responding to a post from Robert Franklin on Fathers and Families about Dan Brewington, “[a]n Indiana man fac[ing] five years in prison because he criticized the judge and the custody evaluator in his divorce and custody case.”

Or at least that’s how Franklin wants to frame the issue. While conceding that Brewington “often used intemperate language” on his blog, Franklin downplays what seems to have been a relentless four-year harassment campaign from the troubled father. According to a report on the case on the Eagle Country Online website:

[P]rosecutors argued that Brewington took his postings beyond being critical of the court system. They became personal against anybody who became involved with his case.

“This was sick revenge dragging my wife and kids into the matter,” Humphrey said during his testimony. “I don’t know of many cases where a subject has more clearly expressed his intent to do harm.” …

Brewington …  called [custody evaluator Edward] Connor a child molester and prostitute in his “Internet rampage,” contacted the Children’s Home of Northern Kentucky where Conner is involved as a board member, and sending mass e-mails to Connor’s colleagues and legal professional around the area. …

Connor’s wife, Dr. Sara Jones-Connor, reaffirmed what her husband shared with the judge.

“For over four years we have dealt with his attacks on a daily basis,” Jones-Conner said.

And Franklin leaves out the most serious of the accusations against Brewington: that he threatened to murder the judge.

Brewington’s cellmate at the Dearborn County Law Enforcement Center for two-and-a-half months, Joseph McCaleb, had sent a letter to jail officials on September 25 after being concerned with what he heard from Brewington.

 “He talked about following (Judge Humphrey) home, shooting him, and dumping him in the river,” McCaleb said of Brewington’s alleged “detailed and thought out” plan.

I should note that after testifying that Brewington’s threats seemed serious, McCaleb later concluded that they weren’t; and Judge Brian Hill did not take his testimony into consideration when sentencing Brewington.

Was Brewington’s sentence fair? I don’t know. But Franklin’s posting was misleading, to say the least, if not dishonest.  And while a few people raised questions about it, no one on the Men’s Rights subreddit bothered to spend the two minutes on Google that would have turned up the story I’ve been quoting from, instead relying entirely on Franklin’s, er, incomplete account.

Whether or not Brewington’s threats were sincere, Franklin’s post had Demonspawn and many others on the Men’s Rights subreddit thinking violent thoughts themselves. Here are some more selections from the discussion there. Note that every single violent comment I quote below got upvotes from the regulars.

Here, Boss_Money invokes the memory of Tom Ball, who killed himself in hopes that his dramatic suicide would encourage other MRAs to start firebombing courthouses and police stations:

Later in that same thread, coldacid suggests that suicide is a much less effective strategy than murder:

Anxdiety, meanwhile, shares his fantasies of violent “retribution.”

Boss_Monkey returns with a miniature manifesto for armed revolution:

And whats_up_doc suggests that violence may be the only solution:

The Men’s Rights subreddit is by and large the most “moderate” of all the major Men’s Rights forums online. But this is the language, and the thinking, of a hate movement. Anyone who really cares about improving life for men needs to call this kind of thing out, and make clear that it is completely unacceptable in any rights movement worthy of the name.

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Cliff Pervocracy
12 years ago

Steele, I don’t want to argue with you, because you’ll “win” by sheer obsessive endurance again.

I’m gonna go play videogames.

Sharculese
12 years ago

More to the point, Sharculese has no basis for attributing the label “stalker” to me.

beyond that youre creepily and obsessively stalking a fucking a blog. no, i guess not.

Steele
Steele
12 years ago

Trufax: When me and my girlfriend went on a date, we just batted our eyelashes at a nearby nondescript male and he paid for both our dinners, and for the gas. Then we cruelly cackled and denied him the sex he was due.

Trufax: This is Boobzland’s idea of witty banter. It’s actually hilarious to watch.

blitzgal
12 years ago

Hmmmm. For the life of me I can’t remember with 100% certainty whether he said the woman was a prostitute or not.

We were posting our comments at the same time, so I hadn’t seen your story when I wrote that and wasn’t responding to it. It was just pure happenstance that the subjects were so closely related.

Steele
Steele
12 years ago

you clearly have a lot of spare time then.

Not so much. Efficiency, my friend. When I have downtime at work, I may pop onto Boobzland. I may do 40 crunches. I may call my significant other. And this is all on the clock. I know to inefficient louts, it may seem I’m on a lot- I assure you, I’m not.

Efficiency.

Sharculese
12 years ago

mikey, if youre actually a ‘wealthy urban professional’ than what’s with the sad little sulk about the nasty feminists who ruined your dreams?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

“More to the point, Sharculese has no basis for attributing the label “stalker” to me.”

*sigh* I forget that I have to make painfully detailed points with you, so let me try that again. You got called a stalker, and instead of addressing the claim, or pulling a “fuck you I’m leaving”, you claimed you aren’t a stalker because of factors that have fuck all to do with whether you (or any other “wealthy urban professional and educated individual”) is actually a stalker.

In other words, in this round of Spot That Fallacy!! we have a red herring!! — an appeal to wealth even, don’t see many of them around here.

Sharculese
12 years ago

Not so much. Efficiency, my friend. When I have downtime at work, I may pop onto Boobzland. I may do 40 crunches. I may call my significant other. And this is all on the clock. I know to inefficient louts, it may seem I’m on a lot- I assure you, I’m not.

you post for hours at a time, over and over, frequently late at night. do you think saying shit like this isnt completely transparent.

you started a blog just to whine about how david was a meanie. seriously champ, youre fooling no one.

Steele
Steele
12 years ago

mikey, if youre actually a ‘wealthy urban professional’ than what’s with the sad little sulk about the nasty feminists who ruined your dreams?

I wanted to become a writer. I do well nonetheless; I’m satisfied. But I remain angry at the misandry that touched my life personally. And it’s a reason I support the Movement.

Sharculese
12 years ago

why do these dudes always thinking screaming ‘ACTUALLY IM INCREDIBLY WEALTHY AND POWERFUL IRL’ helps their case, instead of making it sadder than they spend their free time freaking out about a blog

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

Doing crunches on the clock = efficiency!

blitzgal
12 years ago

The evidence seems to point to the wage gap drastically eroding in the coming generation.

Your article clearly states that only single women without children are earning more than their male counterparts (8% more). The original point about pay disparity stands:

But the progress doesn’t seem to last as workers age and start families. Census data show that when full-time workers of all ages are factored in — regardless of marital status or whether they have children — women made 77 cents for every $1 men earned in 2009.

Steele
Steele
12 years ago

you post for hours at a time, over and over, frequently late at night. do you think saying shit like this isnt completely transparent.

At night- only a few times. Once, I believe. I wanted to hone my rhetoric skills against some easy targets.

And with that, I’m off. Gotta get some work done. Then I have a date with my signficant other, who is grateful as heck to have snagged someone like me.

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

That is indeed part of the reason; that situation can be analyzed as a cultural problem, but it’s not a result of direct discrimination.

Do you even know what happens when women try to insist that no, actually, they aren’t going to have/raise a child? Seriously now.

Trufax: This is Boobzland’s idea of witty banter. It’s actually hilarious to watch.

Of course you’re the audience; you’re a straight honky dude! No entertainment is made without being made to amuse you.

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2010/10/24/for_young_urban_professionals_at_least_a_pay_gap_in_reverse/

Did you read your own source for comprehension, you nitwit?

Steele
Steele
12 years ago

But the progress doesn’t seem to last as workers age and start families. Census data show that when full-time workers of all ages are factored in — regardless of marital status or whether they have children — women made 77 cents for every $1 men earned in 2009.

Those people are older- makes sense. And as I said, this is just the first piece of evidence. Give it ten years.

Sharculese
12 years ago

I wanted to become a writer. I do well nonetheless; I’m satisfied. But I remain angry at the misandry that touched my life personally. And it’s a reason I support the Movement.

and what exactly do you think blaming strangers on the internet is gonna do to fix your shitty writing?

blitzgal
12 years ago

Then I have a date with my signficant other, who is grateful as heck to have snagged someone like me.

This is an MRA’s idea of witty banter. It’s actually hilarious to watch.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
12 years ago

I’m amused that he calls it “the Movement”.

Sharculese
12 years ago

This is an MRA’s idea of witty banter. It’s actually hilarious to watch.

it’s really telling, that he thinks weve never heard the ‘goin clubbing’ defense before

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

What is Steele’s pay gap complaint here anyways? The gap will close soon and thus feminism is already pointless? How does that follow?

Besides well, hello Spot That Fallacy!! we have a cart before the horse!

Circular cause and consequence – where the consequence of the phenomenon is claimed to be its root cause

blitzgal
12 years ago

Those people are older- makes sense. And as I said, this is just the first piece of evidence. Give it ten years.

You’re still cherrypicking your evidence. it is only women without children who make equal pay. Someone still has to have children. And any woman who does is going to make significantly less money in her lifetime than a man will, even a man who has children. You obviously think that’s just peachy, which is why you’re a douche. Flounce already, will you? Go back to your shitty writing.

Steele
Steele
12 years ago

Of course you’re the audience; you’re a straight honky dude! No entertainment is made without being made to amuse you.

To use a cliche, “LOL”. Talk about an all-purpose excuse. Or maybe just projection and paranoia?

There are plenty of funny non-Straight White Dudes. You, at least if your Internet persona is any indication, are not one of them.

Steele
Steele
12 years ago

Sorry, Straight ionky Dudes. When in Rome.

Steele
Steele
12 years ago

Ionky! Honky.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

“To use a cliche…projection and paranoia?”

http://youtu.be/OHVjs4aobqs

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