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Clop clop clopping along with Epic Atheist Brony, MRA extraordinaire [UPDATE: Probably a troll.]

You remember the Men’s Rights Bronies we met not so long ago? Well, I have discovered another one, this one on Twitter! In addition to being brony and a “highly active MRA,” he is also – brace yourself for this – an atheist who loves to wear fedoras and talk in public about what he likes to do with his penis. (And they say stereotypes aren’t true.) His personal creed? “Love & tolerance.”

Anyway, his name is Epic Atheist Brony, and here’s his Twitter profile.

[NOTE: Mr. Brony seems to be a troll. See update below for details.]

Here are some recent highlights from his Twitter timeline. (Note: “clopping” is Brony slang for masturbation.)

Love & tolerance, everyone!

But you gals will have to enjoy your love & tolerance in the kitchen, while the clearly superior Epic Atheist Brony whacks it to cartoon ponies and tweets about which cartoon ponies his penis likes the most.

UPDATE: It seems likely that Mr. Brony is a troll/Poe. “His” original Twitter profile pic was a photo of a guy in a fedora, supposedly him. Trouble is, the actual guy in the pic stepped forward and explicitly denied being Mr. Brony (and, for that matter, being a “sexist fucktarded meme-spewing Redditor.”) Here’s the pic the real fedora-wearing dude posted as evidence. Thanks to @mister_smiley on Twitter for the link.

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M Dubz
M Dubz
12 years ago

@cloudiah *ahem* *puts on Helpful Neighborhood Anthropologist Hat* While most cultures of which we have written record do have many roles broken down by gender, and in many cases the nature of those gender roles do leave women with less access to power, this is neither universal, nor universally expressed.

For example- In Ptolomeian (sp?) Egypt, women commonly owned property, had divorce rights, and many of the dynasty’s most powerful rulers were female. Compare that with contemporary Roman society, where women were traded like chattel, and only Vestal Virgins had freedom of movement.

For another example- Among the Trobriand Islanders, sex before marriage was common and normative, as was divorce. They also thought kissing was gross 😀

Lots of other examples available upon request, but those were the two I could think of off the top of my head.

M Dubz
M Dubz
12 years ago

Part of the issue re: gender roles is that (as has been mentioned upthread) most historians and anthropologists have been male, or operated under a patriarchal model. Many male anthropologists, for example, have had difficulty gaining access to women’s rituals and bonding experiences when studying them in the field, while women have had better access to the rituals of all members of the community. There are some great ethnographies where multiple anthropologists, both male and female, have studied communities at different times, and come to radically different conclusions about gender roles and power in those communities.

M Dubz
M Dubz
12 years ago

See, for example, Malinowski’s extensive writing on the (male dominated) kula exchange in the Trobriand Islands, and Annette Weiner’s later look at (female dominated) funeral exchanges of skirts and banana leaf bundles. Both of these rituals have both economic and ritual importance to Trobriand society, but Malinowski completely ignored the importance of female exchange patterns because he was locked into a patriarchal way of thinking.

Weiner’s book is called Women of Value, Men of Renown.

Now I promise I’m shutting up about feminist interpretations of ethnographic theory.

Dracula
Dracula
12 years ago

Now I promise I’m shutting up about feminist interpretations of ethnographic theory.

You’re more than welcome to keep going as far as I’m concerned.

Nanasha
Nanasha
12 years ago

Thanks, David. You did a better job of making the point I was trying to make. Kink in and of itself is not necessarily problematic but how it often manifests absolutely IS. If we are willing to be critical to the manboobz we also have to be critical to ourselves.

And, by the way daeksidecat, I was not minimizing or attempting to explain away his behavior by calling out abuse. However, we must also realize that even the trolls are human and are just as likely to have had fucked up things happen to them that influences their perceptions and interactions. I find it funny that you find it perfectly ok to lambast someone for poor behavior until it becomes possible that person might possibly act that way for a reason that serives directly from abuse and sexist indoctrination.

As an abuse and rape survivor, I take these topics very seriously. And I find that atteepts to silence honest conversation about abuse and rape are nott conducive to good dialogue and understanding. It is your right to feel offended and triggered, but you already knew that this is a probability on this site (see the disclaimer at the top). You have the right to ignore me, disagree, even turn off your computer, but it is NOT your right to tell me what I can and cannot say or how I should express myself.

Thiis is yet another situation where I wish people could just beam understanding to one another. No matter how I attempt to phrase my thoughts in a respectful and inclusive way, it still manages to raise a wide swath of ire.

TheNatFantastic
12 years ago

@M Dubz

I am seconding Dracula’s interest in this topic.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

M Dubz, I’d like to hear more too. Beats reading Nanasha and the point missing each other over and over.

ozymandias42
12 years ago

Thirding Drac’s interest.

Molly: I think it’s… telling… that there isn’t a kink (at least, that I’m aware of) for dressing women up in stereotypically male clothing to humiliate them. Also, I think a lot of it comes down to mindset? Sissification is a *very different* thing if you’re aware that dressing like a feminine woman isn’t actually humiliating in real life.

Viola: I would assume that “speciesqueer” is, a la genderqueer, related to species identification. I’m still backing “xenophile.” 😛

Cliff Pervocracy
12 years ago

I like how NWO’s latest argument is that France, India, and Japan have identical cultures.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Cliff: Identically different, no less.

Dracula
Dracula
12 years ago

It’s especially funny considering that 2,000 years ago there was no France.

M Dubz
M Dubz
12 years ago

I am both flattered and humbled that you guys want me to keep going (I was an anthro major at a women’s college. This is basically what I spend 4 years of my life doing AND I MISSSS IT). I will have to crack open my theory binders when I get home.

Also, @Cliff- The Japanese had female warriors akin to samurai. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onna_bugeisha. So that kind of disproves OWLY’s theory right there.

Myoo
Myoo
12 years ago

@Nanasha

As an abuse and rape survivor, I take these topics very seriously. And I find that atteepts to silence honest conversation about abuse and rape are nott conducive to good dialogue and understanding.[…]

But see, Nanasha, no one is trying to silence honest conversation. Obviously, people can talk about rape and abuse here, what they shouldn’t do is talk about other people’s rape and abuse without at least their acknowledgement, and they definitely shouldn’t try to use other people’s rape and abuse to diagnose their behaviour.
As an example, several gay, trans* and asexual people are told that they are that way is because they were abused, it is dismissive of people’s feelings and experiences.

And that doesn’t mean that:

[…]it perfectly ok to lambast someone for poor behavior until it becomes possible that person might possibly act that way for a reason that serives directly from abuse and sexist indoctrination.

Nwoslave is an asshole, it is perfectly ok to lambast him for his awful behaviour, but it is not okay to say that the way he acts is due to being abused.

cloudiah
12 years ago

Do go on, M Dubz. (I mean, once you have your binders.) This is exactly what I was hoping for. NWO won’t listen, but the rest of us will.

aworldanonymous
12 years ago

I fourth Drac’s interest, I’m actually looking into maybe studying cultural antrhopology in university if psych turns out to be less interesting than I imagined it would be.

M Dubz
M Dubz
12 years ago

@aworldanonymous- OMG DOOOOO IT. I started school as a psych major, took an athro class as a whim, and never looked back.

The problem that I found is that the American academy, when it comes to psych, is really invested in white Western middle class people as the Default Example. Studying cultural anthro allows you a keen glimpse into human psychology outside of what we often perceive to be normative. I spent a lot of time studying religion, which meant learning about spirit possession, faith healing, psychosomatic diseases (that kill), and why the Torah is magic (please note that I am being a bit flippant for effect here). And as you deconstruct the internal logic behind these commonly held beliefs that are so antithetical to what most Western Psychology would perceive as “standard” it gives you a greatly expanded view of the human condition.

Shadow
Shadow
12 years ago

@Owly

How is it possible that the exact same socialization took place 2000 years ago in France, Japan and India?

One word, Hijras. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia) (I have this feeling that we talked about this before here too, prolly refuting this brick wall’s ass as well). When you decide to flap your ignorant mouth about other cultures, make sure you know a little something about them first.

aworldanonymous
12 years ago

@ M Dubz

My experience might be a bit different considering I live in Canada, but I’ve got intro to psych and intro to cultural anthro lined up in my first year courses, so I’m giving both a shot.

M Dubz
M Dubz
12 years ago

Also, we have potential examples of individuals with potentially genderqueer presentations going back tens of thousands of years. While it’s impossible to say with 100% accuracy what these examples in the archaeological record might have meant while the individuals were alive, it’s a pretty good reminder that gender roles are never so cut and dry.

http://www.idavallen.org/artiklar/transvikings.html

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=gWYg1QBAFW0C&oi=fnd&pg=PA51&dq=siberia+warrior+woman+burial&ots=uCvc-Fq-iS&sig=dMxyQOXmTEHbzTyVVagFo4R_o3c#v=onepage&q=siberia%20warrior%20woman%20burial&f=false

M Dubz
M Dubz
12 years ago

@ shadow- I was JUST ABOUT to bring them up! And hijras have been around for a WHILE, they’re not exactly a new thing.

ShadetheDruid
12 years ago

Another vote for moar anthro stuff (not that you need more 😛 )! I’m a D&D’er, so stuff about real world cultures (and especially things related to gender and roles) is always useful for making shit up for fictional worlds, plus it’s just interesting stuff.

Shadow
Shadow
12 years ago

@aworldanonymous

Unfortunately, it’s more or less the same for us in Canada. If you’re at York I highly recommend Cultural Psychology. It was an amazing course, and it really puts things into a global perspective.

@M dubz

Yeah, being South Asian, I always find it amusing when Owly goes on about how everyone presented as their gender until feminism came along and fucked shit up. The hijra are so ubiquitous in our culture that you find reference to them literally everywhere. Which isn’t to say that genderqueer or trans people are treated better in South Asian societies.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
12 years ago

Getting back to the speciesqueer/xenophile for a moment, in paranormal* romances (especially erotica), anything sentient is game. Werewolves, vampires, aliens, shapeshifters of any variety, demons. Everything usually has a human form, but not always. I haven’t read them, but I’ve heard that there exist TWO (2!) separate stories that feature sex between a human-shaped woman and a sentient tree.

*sub-genre of romance, for those who don’t know, that encompasses any setting other than this Earth, of whatever time period.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
12 years ago

According to some research I did for a class a million years ago, there are a surprisingly large number of similarities between Indian and Japanese culture. (Of course, that statement immediately begs qualification, because WHICH Indian and Japanese cultures? But it surprised me at the time.)

ShadetheDruid
12 years ago

Oh, and i’m liking “xenophile” as well, mostly because I like the word “xeno”. 😀