Clop clop clopping along with Epic Atheist Brony, MRA extraordinaire [UPDATE: Probably a troll.]

People like NWO are the reason why so many people exhibit their true desires for roles in their sexuality. It’s like men who want to be “sissified” (because there’s nothing more gross and powerless than a girl AMIRITE?) and then dress up in some shitty wig and ill-fitting women’s clothes and act like that’s totally hot and shit. They are so obsessed with the dichotomy of gender, that expressing what they truly want has to be dirty and wrong and sexualize and it has to be framed in the language and behavior of degradation. It shows that so many people are not only shunting others into tight, ill-fitting boxes, but they are also doing the same to themselves, and longing to break free of them, but feel the intense stigma and abuse they will suffer for doing so is more frightening than simply allowing themselves to be who they are.

Plus NWO obviously has rape trauma and other fucked up mom-incest/rape/abuse history, so his behavior, while illogical and irrational, is very understandable.

It still doesn’t give him free license to be a total asshat, just like the fact that my mom was horribly and pervasively sexually molested as a child did not give her the right to go WAY too far into detail about what rapists do to little girls when my sister and I were in early elementary school, nor did it excuse her “competing” with us by treating every man in every room sexually as though we were competing for his affection. It did not excuse her dismissiveness, her outright mocking of me and teasing/berating me about being a lesbian just because I did not have a boyfriend in the 7th grade.

We’re all working through our own shit, but it is important that in the meanwhile, we don’t smear that shit all over everyone else around us. NWO is failing miserable in that regard.

VOIP: The sissy fetish is not the same as drag. It’s this horrible fucked up tangle of wanting women to “force” you to wear women’s clothing and then humiliate you for it, because being feminine is so shameful and dirty, while maintaining that this doesn’t mean being a woman is shameful. Somehow, humiliating people for being feminine doesn’t mean you consider femininity to be humiliating.

Disclaimer: It’s probably possible to act on fantasies of being forced to act as if you were trans without being transphobic and/or misogynistic.
Caveat: the sissy fetish culture as seen on the internet does not acheive that.

I’ve been thinking about something actually, on the sexual interest/ponies issue (I think about weird shit all the time for no real reason, feel free to ignore me if you like 😛 ): is it, or should it, really be considered bestiality if a creature is sapient, even if the creature is (what we would consider) animal-shaped?

I mean, the general distinction is the “ickyness” factor, but since we try not to base things on that but rather on consent, and obviously a sapient pony could consent, would that change things?

Most people would still call it bestiality because the creature is animal-shaped and therefore they’d be squicked out by it, and people are squicked out by a lot of things that aren’t harmful (and then, of course, they base their bigotry on it). Calling sex with a sapient pony “bestiality” strikes me as similar to calling “gay sex” whatever the derogatory-word-of-the-day is (sodomy, etc). Definition-wise you could say it’s correct, but the derogatory usage would sort of override that.

Of course, since humans are the only sapient creatures we know of in the real world, this situation isn’t likely to come up outside of fiction. 😛

This post by me was brought to you by the number 5, and the letters W, T and F.

Shade — I’m just going to pretend you said aliens there, because I’ve already pondered that one (Jack Harkness) — I’d say you’d have to be incredibly clear on what you mean, and what that means to your species, but yeah, I think workable consent could happen. I’d just be very very wary of taking any definitions as assumed. Also, you’d need to be damned clear on you safe-words, what will injure your species, wtf anatomy is present — that last one maybe less so with other mammals, since it isn’t that different, but aliens = who the fuck knows. (And that last clause? That’s why I love Doctor Who, because “who the fuck knows” is my preferred take on the universe)

This reply brought to you by the number 24+ and the letters DW, because I’ve been awake too long, and Doctor Who.

Like, the world is full of angry old white men, Nansha, it’s called “Fox News’s principal demographic.”

OMG even Plato knew better, back when Patriarchy ruled the roost. http://paws.wcu.edu/dhale/ancient/pdf/PlatoBkVFemaleParticipation.pdf

You don’t have to worry about insulting the sapient animals. They don’t exist.

I’m not at all squicked out by the actual wanking to cartoon horses — who the fuck cares? What can make me uncomfortable is that it sometimes seems like little girls can’t have anything without somebody else making it all about sex. Like they’re little sex-objects-in-training, and we need to make them understand what that role requires as early as possible.

But again, if people aren’t actually making the show itself more overtly sexual, or otherwise changing the watching experience for the young viewers, I have nothing to complain about because nothing bad is happening. I’m wrapping it all up in my head with purity balls and a million other things, but those things are different.

You know, there are plenty of people who have been victims of sexual or physical abuse who are not total NWO-level asshats. I’m thinking his asshattery is adequately explained by his…being an asshat. There’s no need to speculate about abuse.

@Argenti- NWO has specifically mentioned several times on various threads about how his “feminist mother” basically prostituted him out to her feminist friends for sex and sexually abused him as well. He uses this as justification for why TEH FEMINIZTZ are EBILS.

Of course, he *could* be making this up, but I like to try and believe it when someone comes out as a victim of abuse because I know exactly how people treated me when one of my exes raped me in a “non-traditional” way and all I got was skepticism and denial from friends. 🙁

Nanasha– I think you may be confusing NWO with Toysoldier.

Right, Antz, not Toysoldier, thanks Hellkell.

Nanasha – I think you’re confusing NWO and Zarat. I believe that was Zarat who said that, we told him he should probably get counselling for it and he hasn’t been back since.