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Clop clop clopping along with Epic Atheist Brony, MRA extraordinaire [UPDATE: Probably a troll.]

You remember the Men’s Rights Bronies we met not so long ago? Well, I have discovered another one, this one on Twitter! In addition to being brony and a “highly active MRA,” he is also – brace yourself for this – an atheist who loves to wear fedoras and talk in public about what he likes to do with his penis. (And they say stereotypes aren’t true.) His personal creed? “Love & tolerance.”

Anyway, his name is Epic Atheist Brony, and here’s his Twitter profile.

[NOTE: Mr. Brony seems to be a troll. See update below for details.]

Here are some recent highlights from his Twitter timeline. (Note: “clopping” is Brony slang for masturbation.)

Love & tolerance, everyone!

But you gals will have to enjoy your love & tolerance in the kitchen, while the clearly superior Epic Atheist Brony whacks it to cartoon ponies and tweets about which cartoon ponies his penis likes the most.

UPDATE: It seems likely that Mr. Brony is a troll/Poe. “His” original Twitter profile pic was a photo of a guy in a fedora, supposedly him. Trouble is, the actual guy in the pic stepped forward and explicitly denied being Mr. Brony (and, for that matter, being a “sexist fucktarded meme-spewing Redditor.”) Here’s the pic the real fedora-wearing dude posted as evidence. Thanks to @mister_smiley on Twitter for the link.

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Nanasha
Nanasha
8 years ago

People like NWO are the reason why so many people exhibit their true desires for roles in their sexuality. It’s like men who want to be “sissified” (because there’s nothing more gross and powerless than a girl AMIRITE?) and then dress up in some shitty wig and ill-fitting women’s clothes and act like that’s totally hot and shit. They are so obsessed with the dichotomy of gender, that expressing what they truly want has to be dirty and wrong and sexualize and it has to be framed in the language and behavior of degradation. It shows that so many people are not only shunting others into tight, ill-fitting boxes, but they are also doing the same to themselves, and longing to break free of them, but feel the intense stigma and abuse they will suffer for doing so is more frightening than simply allowing themselves to be who they are.

Plus NWO obviously has rape trauma and other fucked up mom-incest/rape/abuse history, so his behavior, while illogical and irrational, is very understandable.

It still doesn’t give him free license to be a total asshat, just like the fact that my mom was horribly and pervasively sexually molested as a child did not give her the right to go WAY too far into detail about what rapists do to little girls when my sister and I were in early elementary school, nor did it excuse her “competing” with us by treating every man in every room sexually as though we were competing for his affection. It did not excuse her dismissiveness, her outright mocking of me and teasing/berating me about being a lesbian just because I did not have a boyfriend in the 7th grade.

We’re all working through our own shit, but it is important that in the meanwhile, we don’t smear that shit all over everyone else around us. NWO is failing miserable in that regard.

VoIP
VoIP
8 years ago

Nanasha:

People like NWO are the reason why so many people exhibit their true desires for roles in their sexuality. It’s like men who want to be “sissified” (because there’s nothing more gross and powerless than a girl AMIRITE?) and then dress up in some shitty wig and ill-fitting women’s clothes and act like that’s totally hot and shit.

Um, being into drag is not problematic or horrible, nor is it the result of hating women, it’s a fine thing to be.

Plus NWO obviously has rape trauma and other fucked up mom-incest/rape/abuse history, so his behavior, while illogical and irrational, is very understandable.

What?

viola
8 years ago

VOIP: The sissy fetish is not the same as drag. It’s this horrible fucked up tangle of wanting women to “force” you to wear women’s clothing and then humiliate you for it, because being feminine is so shameful and dirty, while maintaining that this doesn’t mean being a woman is shameful. Somehow, humiliating people for being feminine doesn’t mean you consider femininity to be humiliating.

Disclaimer: It’s probably possible to act on fantasies of being forced to act as if you were trans without being transphobic and/or misogynistic.
Caveat: the sissy fetish culture as seen on the internet does not acheive that.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Re: NWO’s “mommy issues” — afaik, he’s just never mentioned her, so for all we know his “mommy issue” is that she died while he was young or something. NWO = fucked up, he’s made that quite plain to see, no need to speculate as to why he’s fucked up.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

I’ve been thinking about something actually, on the sexual interest/ponies issue (I think about weird shit all the time for no real reason, feel free to ignore me if you like 😛 ): is it, or should it, really be considered bestiality if a creature is sapient, even if the creature is (what we would consider) animal-shaped?

I mean, the general distinction is the “ickyness” factor, but since we try not to base things on that but rather on consent, and obviously a sapient pony could consent, would that change things?

Most people would still call it bestiality because the creature is animal-shaped and therefore they’d be squicked out by it, and people are squicked out by a lot of things that aren’t harmful (and then, of course, they base their bigotry on it). Calling sex with a sapient pony “bestiality” strikes me as similar to calling “gay sex” whatever the derogatory-word-of-the-day is (sodomy, etc). Definition-wise you could say it’s correct, but the derogatory usage would sort of override that.

Of course, since humans are the only sapient creatures we know of in the real world, this situation isn’t likely to come up outside of fiction. 😛

This post by me was brought to you by the number 5, and the letters W, T and F.

VoIP
VoIP
8 years ago

VOIP: The sissy fetish is not the same as drag.

Wow, I had no idea. Interesting.

is it, or should it, really be considered bestiality if a creature is sapient, even if the creature is (what we would consider) animal-shaped?

If it has a mind, I don’t think fucking it would be wrong. In fact, I’m not squicked out by the thought at all.. I do, however, watch a lot of sci fi.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Shade — I’m just going to pretend you said aliens there, because I’ve already pondered that one (Jack Harkness) — I’d say you’d have to be incredibly clear on what you mean, and what that means to your species, but yeah, I think workable consent could happen. I’d just be very very wary of taking any definitions as assumed. Also, you’d need to be damned clear on you safe-words, what will injure your species, wtf anatomy is present — that last one maybe less so with other mammals, since it isn’t that different, but aliens = who the fuck knows. (And that last clause? That’s why I love Doctor Who, because “who the fuck knows” is my preferred take on the universe)

This reply brought to you by the number 24+ and the letters DW, because I’ve been awake too long, and Doctor Who.

VoIP
VoIP
8 years ago

Re: NWO’s “mommy issues” — afaik, he’s just never mentioned her, so for all we know his “mommy issue” is that she died while he was young or something. NWO = fucked up, he’s made that quite plain to see, no need to speculate as to why he’s fucked up.

Yeah, I have no idea how Nanasha got from “This dude is a massive tool” to “Therefore, he was raped by his mom.”

VoIP
VoIP
8 years ago

Like, the world is full of angry old white men, Nansha, it’s called “Fox News’s principal demographic.”

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“This dude is a massive tool” and thank you for reminding me that exists, I got bored with the text backstory and gave up.

scarlettpipistrelle
8 years ago

OMG even Plato knew better, back when Patriarchy ruled the roost. http://paws.wcu.edu/dhale/ancient/pdf/PlatoBkVFemaleParticipation.pdf

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

If it has a mind, I don’t think fucking it would be wrong. In fact, I’m not squicked out by the thought at all.. I do, however, watch a lot of sci fi. – VoIP

Yeah, that was my thought process too. Also, yay sci fi. 😀

Just seems like a natural evolution of the concept of consent, even if there’s no actual real-world application for it. Well, apart from relating to prejudice vs people with fetishes for sapient ponies living in a fictional universe (or should that be ponyverse?), furries, etc.

Though I was thinking more of mythology than sci fi, since there’s a lot of concepts there that would make this issue even more complex, like all of the half-human, half-animal creatures. Personally, sapient ponies aren’t my thing, but a centaur woman on the other hand.. it’s probably not going to bother me that she has the body of a horse (apart from in practical ways, obviously).

Argenti: I did think of aliens as well, though I decided to make my post relevant to the topic so I stuck to sapient animals. 😛 Though there’s also the issue that the average person isn’t going to see sex with a humanoid alien as bestiality, despite them being a different species.

At that point you’d probably get (actually, i’d say it’s probably guaranteed) people being judgey and insulting to people who like the ponies while considering, say, an Asari from Mass Effect to be super hot.

I guess what I was getting at is I don’t see a way of describing sex with a sapient animal as “bestiality” without it being insulting (to both the human and the sapient animal), considering the connotations the word has in everyday usage. Whether this is a huge deal or not, I have no idea, it just seems like something to think about if we’re going to go for the next step in acceptance for people’s preferences.

Vitamin D
Vitamin D
8 years ago

You don’t have to worry about insulting the sapient animals. They don’t exist.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

I’m pretty sure that’s obvious. Do we need a /hypothetical tag to go with the /sarcasm tag now?

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

I’m not at all squicked out by the actual wanking to cartoon horses — who the fuck cares? What can make me uncomfortable is that it sometimes seems like little girls can’t have anything without somebody else making it all about sex. Like they’re little sex-objects-in-training, and we need to make them understand what that role requires as early as possible.

But again, if people aren’t actually making the show itself more overtly sexual, or otherwise changing the watching experience for the young viewers, I have nothing to complain about because nothing bad is happening. I’m wrapping it all up in my head with purity balls and a million other things, but those things are different.

TheNatFantastic
8 years ago

@Viscaria

This is what gets me about the MRA bronies. It’s like they saw something that was designed for little girls so they just had to make it theirs. And, I’ll be honest, it seems like (this guy or similar MRA bronies) are just saying they whack off to it in order to make it something that’s especially *not* suitable for little girls.

Obviously this suspicion doesn’t apply to other bronies, pegasisters, or non-binary-sentient-horse-aficionados, or any of the people who do whack off to it but are content not to tell the entire internet about it. Hell, I’ve liked loads of programmes I’m supposed to be too old for… it’s just that with the MRA ones it does seem to be this desire to make anything about/for girls to be all about them.

captainbathrobe
captainbathrobe
8 years ago

You know, there are plenty of people who have been victims of sexual or physical abuse who are not total NWO-level asshats. I’m thinking his asshattery is adequately explained by his…being an asshat. There’s no need to speculate about abuse.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Plus NWO obviously has rape trauma and other fucked up mom-incest/rape/abuse history, so his behavior, while illogical and irrational, is very understandable.

WHAT THE FUCK? I think NWO is disgusting and I have no idea what made him that way, and I’m not going to speculate out my ass about it.

If he wants to tell us why he’s awful that’s his business. Save the internet diagnoses.

Nanasha
Nanasha
8 years ago

@Argenti- NWO has specifically mentioned several times on various threads about how his “feminist mother” basically prostituted him out to her feminist friends for sex and sexually abused him as well. He uses this as justification for why TEH FEMINIZTZ are EBILS.

Of course, he *could* be making this up, but I like to try and believe it when someone comes out as a victim of abuse because I know exactly how people treated me when one of my exes raped me in a “non-traditional” way and all I got was skepticism and denial from friends. 🙁

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

That wasn’t NWO. That was AntZ.

Orion
Orion
8 years ago

Nanasha– I think you may be confusing NWO with Toysoldier.

Myoo
Myoo
8 years ago

@Nanasha

@Argenti- NWO has specifically mentioned several times on various threads about how his “feminist mother” basically prostituted him out to her feminist friends for sex and sexually abused him as well. He uses this as justification for why TEH FEMINIZTZ are EBILS.

I think you are mistaking nwoslave for… Toysoldier, maybe? Nwoslave has never said that.

Myoo
Myoo
8 years ago

Right, Antz, not Toysoldier, thanks Hellkell.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Myoo, you’re welcome. Now I should get some useful knowledge in my head.

ostara321
ostara321
8 years ago

Nanasha – I think you’re confusing NWO and Zarat. I believe that was Zarat who said that, we told him he should probably get counselling for it and he hasn’t been back since.

nwoslave
8 years ago

@aworldanonymous
“So what you’re saying is that gender is predetermined by sex, and that socialization has absolutely nothing to do with it?

My god man, how dense are you, I’m just out of high school and I know that genetic determinism is bullshit.”

I have every culture throughout all of history to back me up. How is it possible that every culture in all of history has been socialized when up until recently they’ve been largely seperated? You can hop on a plane to china today and be there pretty darn quick. The wright bros first flight was in 1903. So even a 100 years ago it took a huge amount of time. How about a thousand years ago?

If every culture everywhere in all of history we can clearly see women being more emotional, how can it be socialized? How could every culture show men and women as being different in the same way when they where completely seperated?

A thousand years ago for the average person living a France, Japan was a fairy tale, so was India. It might as well not even existed. Yet when you read actual first hand accounts of men and women in each of these cultures, men and women each acted differently according to their gender.

How is it possible that the exact same socialization took place 2000 years ago in France, Japan and India? Anywhere that has first hand written records in all history show men and women as acting identically different. You’re telling me this is socialization?

viola
8 years ago

I may once have written porn involving an AI in a human-sized scorpion-shaped body, and a human. I’d have written straight-up scorpion porn, but the AI was the easiest way to explain why the scorpion was made of glass.
(I asked friends of mine for writing prompts, so it’s very nearly almost not my fault.)

If there were sapient nonhumans I don’t think there would be anything wrong with informed-consensual and mutually enjoyable sex. It’s just body shape. None of the shapes of human body prohibit sex with other humans*, so why should nonhuman shapes be out of bounds, if they contain people capable of informed consent?

*Children can’t consent because of the development of their minds, not the size of their bodies.

aworldanonymous
8 years ago

@Viscaria & TheNatFantastic

This is why a lot of the MLP fandom isn’t really in favour of the clop side of things. There are a good number of us who enjoy the show as it is and don’t feel the need to “make it ours” by sexualizing everything in it. So we resent those who do, because they’re essentially ruining the very idea of the show.

TheNatFantastic
8 years ago

@aworldanonymous

I kind of see what you mean, but I’d disagree (with my interpretation of what you just said) insomuch as I really don’t give a toss (sorry) if someone wants to masturbate to it because they want to, but the MRA guys seem to only be saying it in order to make the point that it is ‘theirs’. Like, I don’t want to police anyone’s desires, if they’re honest – but I do want to speak out against MRAs vindictively trying to ruin something for the people it’s aimed at.

Sorry if that doesn’t make sense, I’m really tired.

aworldanonymous
8 years ago

@ TheNatFantastic

That’s exactly the point I was trying to get at, I’ve got nothing against clop itself, it’s just a variety of porn. It’s the motives behind a large portion of it that I’m opposed to, I rarely see clop that isn’t vindictively trying to ruin MLP for the people it’s aimed at.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

I feel this discussion has been interesting. 😀 Now i’m just waiting for Mr Owl “Wave My Penis At Kids” Slave to come along and tell us we’re all disgusting.

scrapemind
8 years ago

Wow, Nanasha tried to ask why men are into sissification and tried to look for unfortunate implications in the fantasy, and she got slapped down by the sex-positives. I’m not complaining, though. I don’t want to interrogate my fantasies for wicked thoughts.

TheNatFantastic
8 years ago

Yo, Scrapemind – I’ve seen you on the other threads. Stop hanging around trying to stir up trouble. If there is a disagreement it’s not going to come from you ‘noticing’ something and trying to pit people against each other. You vastly overestimate yourself. Now toddle along.

aworldanonymous
8 years ago

@Scrapemind

I know you think you’re a brilliant strategist, in the style of maybe Gary Kasparov, or Napoleon. But trying to manipulate people like that only really works on TV. I’m sorry that you can’t live out your power fantasy but that’s real life for you.

ostara321
ostara321
8 years ago

Wow, scrapemind tried to stir up shit again and got told to shut it by the regulars. I’m not complaining though. I don’t really care to see any of the other bullshit zie might write.

darksidecat
8 years ago

@Nanasha, your thing about NWO was fucked up, even setting aside the confusion with toysoldier/Antz. Using someone’s being the victim of abuse or molestation as a weapon in unrelated conversations is a totally fucked up thing to do. It’s not acceptable behavior. I’ve spoken on other threads about how I was the victim of abuse and incestuous molestation, and if someone tried to bring that up as evidence that I hate all men or to internet diagnose me, I would hope people would point out to them how this is fucked up.

Sharculese
8 years ago

Wow, Nanasha tried to ask why men are into sissification and tried to look for unfortunate implications in the fantasy, and she got slapped down by the sex-positives. I’m not complaining, though. I don’t want to interrogate my fantasies for wicked thoughts.

this is some sad ass attention seeking shit

Nanasha
Nanasha
8 years ago

@darksidecat – so it is completely unreasonable to think that perhaps unexamined hatred and bigotry being repressed and coming out via intense backlash against anything that challenges existing power structures may have its roots in abuse and indoctrination into dominant privilege structures?

I admit I misspoke when I attributed Antz’s story to NWO but it still does not invalidate the fact that other posters were calling him out about “secretly” wanting to fill female roles. It is like the violent homophobe who is also a secret homosexual or the horrible racist who is half POC. Internalizing self hatred for desiring non traditional roles or behaviors is common in people lile this.

Notice also that I explicitly said that this does not excuse his behavior one bit.

jumbofisch
8 years ago

Nanasha seriously?

Some men are into the “sissification” kink like how some women are into being dominated/humiliated, and yeah people do find it “hot and shit” even if you don’t. Both play into society norms but I don’t see why you would target that kink alone because there is a lot of problematic kinks. No one is doing that because that’s the only way they can play out their fantasy, that is their fantasy. I don’t really understand whats with all the kink hate in this thread. -_-

TheNatFantastic
8 years ago

@Jumbofisch

Are you including me in that? Just because I’m aware I don’t always express myself very well. My comments were supposed to be pro-kink/anti-MRA, and I’m sorry if I mangled my meaning.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Nanasha, it’s not unreasonable to think that per se, it’s unreasonable as shit to claim that’s what NWO’s problem is. In other words, keep it to yourself because you don’t know, and you look ignorant speculating.

ozymandias42
8 years ago

I don’t have any problem with “clopping” any more than I have a problem with other porn based on children’s material (Harry Potter anyone?), as long as the people into it make damn sure a kid who doesn’t want to see it couldn’t stumble across it by accident. (In that way, MLP porn might actually be more ethical than Harry Potter– the target audience of MLP is *far* less likely to be using the Internet without supervision.)

I think, if the subject of sex with sapient non-humans comes up, we should invent a non-bestiality term for it. Xenophilia, maybe?

I think it’s possible to *simultaneously* believe that sissification is a perfectly awesome kink that many people enjoy and there’s nothing wrong with that, and also that it’s probably an outcome of a misogynistic society and many of the people who are into it are into it in a somewhat problematic way. Also, sissification and crossdressing aren’t the same thing.

jumbofisch
8 years ago

Opps no I wasn’t referring to you nat, the other kink shaming thing was earlier in the thread.

TheNatFantastic
8 years ago

Cool, I just get paranoid that I’d messed up. Figured it was better to ask 🙂

MollyRen (@MollyRen)
8 years ago

I think it’s possible to *simultaneously* believe that sissification is a perfectly awesome kink that many people enjoy and there’s nothing wrong with that, and also that it’s probably an outcome of a misogynistic society and many of the people who are into it are into it in a somewhat problematic way. Also, sissification and crossdressing aren’t the same thing.

I’m with Ozy on this one. I’ve seen sissification done decently at parties where the dude is just having fun being super pink and sparkly, and sissification where I wanted to tie them to a chair and force them to read Feministe for a week. 😛

A lot of kinks have the same problematic elements as the larger culture, and you can both be kink-positive and critique these underlying problems.

viola
8 years ago

Ozymandias: From the world of LARP, I offer you “speciesqueer”.

darksidecat
8 years ago

so it is completely unreasonable to think that perhaps unexamined hatred and bigotry being repressed and coming out via intense backlash against anything that challenges existing power structures may have its roots in abuse and indoctrination into dominant privilege structures?

IT IS NEVER OKAY TO USE A PERSON’S DISCLOSURE OF HAVING BEEN MOLESTED, RAPED, OR ABUSED AS A CHEAP WEAPON AGAINST THEM. IT IS NEVER OKAY.

I don’t give a fuck about your pet theory of NWOrigins, I really don’t. I am pissed off by the fact that you tried to throw someone being molested, raped, abused, etc. in their face to make a cheap point. I have had this done to me around my gender, sexuality, politics, etc. and it’s hurtful, dismissive, and cruel. It makes people afraid to disclose or share their history out of worry it will be constantly thrown in their face and used against them, it can be triggering to have others bring it up out of the blue, and it is just plain hurtful.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

How is it possible that the exact same socialization took place 2000 years ago in France, Japan and India? Anywhere that has first hand written records in all history show men and women as acting identically different.

NWO, how can something be “identically different?” Plz explain to my poor ladybrain.

You do realize history is written by people, and that majority of people writing history has been men, right?

cloudiah
8 years ago

Leaving aside for the moment the awkwardness of the phrase “identically different,” there are both historians and anthropologists paying attention to this blog who can address the question of whether all cultures demonstrate the exact same roles for men and women throughout history. I hope they will. I mean, I could try, but it would be embarrassingly amateurish.
And why limit it only to societies/cultures with a written history?