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Things I learned from Reddit: Feminists can’t be atheists. Also, they shouldn’t ever try to translate ancient Greek.

Things I learned on Reddit today.

1) From a_weed_wizard in the Men’s Rights subreddit, I learned that feminists cannot be atheists:

GirlWritesWhat agrees:

I’m not sure where those downvotes came from, since everything GirlWritesWhat says is by definition true.

2) From AskHistorians, I learned that feminists trying to correctly translate ancient Greek are evil man-hating monsters. Check out the downvotes on EggyMc!

Obviously, she’s retranslating with malice aforethought!

In this case, it’s easy to tell where at least some of the downvotes are coming from:  A link on the Men’s Rights subreddit.

MRAs: protecting ancient Greek history from MISANDRY since 2012!

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scrapemind
8 years ago

There seems to be a lot of transphobia among radical feminist. TERFs are assholes. Am I trans yet? Does that mean I a man or am I the first FAAB trans woman?

I guess you’re a cis woman, as your last sentence implies. But I guessed Veronica was trans as soon as she said “radicals,” and clicking on her Twitter confirmed my prejudice.

jumbofisch
jumbofisch
8 years ago

Why do you care so much that she is trans scrape?

Veronica K. B. (@VeronicaInPink)

Because it makes my dislike of the TERFs “gratuitous”, amirite?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“confirmed my prejudice”

*slow clap*

Well, at least scrapemind calls it like it is?

Kyrie
Kyrie
8 years ago

So you’re prejudiced against trans people? What exactly is the point of your magic power of knowing if people are cis or trans?

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Scrapemind, only you seem to care so much what someone is, why is that? Being so ignorant should be painful.

scrapemind
8 years ago

Scrapemind, only you seem to care so much what someone is, why is that? Being so ignorant should be painful.

I find it interesting to observe differences between human groups. Apparently observing group differences makes one ignorant. Willful ignorance of group differences makes one enlightened.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“What exactly is the point of your magic power of knowing if people are cis or trans?”

And I want to play this game now — so scrapemind, what am I? (Oh gods, this is going to be hilarious, merely asking “what am I?” is pretty hilarious really)

cloudiah
8 years ago

scrapemind sounds to me like a budding NWOslave. Is it just me? That whole fixation on trans people, coupled with the ignorant vs. enlightened crap…

I don’t hate all rad fems, just the ones who attack trans folks.

scrapemind
8 years ago

I had no information to jump to a conclusion on what Argenti Aertheri was. I googled the name and if that’s her deviantART, I guess she’s female. Sorry if that wasn’t hilarious.

Veronica K. B. (@VeronicaInPink)

I find it interesting to observe differences between human groups.

But that is not what you were doing now was it? You were dismissing my point based on this. I have heard the term “argumentum ad feminam” before, maybe there’s a need for an “argumentum ad trans feminam” now too?

Snowy
Snowy
8 years ago

I find it interesting to observe differences between human groups. Apparently observing group differences makes one ignorant. Willful ignorance of group differences makes one enlightened.

No, obsessively trying to figure out if people are trans or not makes you ignorant. Thinking that someone calling TERFs bigoted radicals is “gratuitous” makes you ignorant. Not doing this doesn’t make someone enlightened, it’s just a baseline behavior of not being an asshole. But please, enlighten me. Why is it so important for you to know and comment on who is trans and who is cis? Why does this interest you so deeply?

scrapemind
8 years ago

I commented on it because I picked up a hint of the fight between women’s liberation and transgender activism, which I like to watch.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

You weren’t “observing differences,” you were making a half-assed attempt at shit-stirring. Unfortunately for you, the shit’s headed in your direction. Whoops.

jumbofisch
jumbofisch
8 years ago

Uhhh that has nothing to do with anything at all in this thread. Again there is no reason besides transphobia that you are obsessed about someone’s gender identity because its utterly irrelevant to anything being discussed right now.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

This fool hasn’t been reading here long if he thinks this isn’t a trans-inclusive place.

scrapemind
8 years ago

I didn’t expect a fight to break out in these comments. The regulars here are third-wavers.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Bullshit. You’re a disingenuous trolling twerp. You knew better.

You and Ruby really are made for each other.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

The regulars here are third-wavers.

I bet a million Internet Dollars you don’t even know what that means.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“I had no information to jump to a conclusion on what Argenti Aertheri was. I googled the name and if that’s her deviantART, I guess she’s female. Sorry if that wasn’t hilarious.”

Is that conclusion based on the many pieces that were for class, or that my photos of orchids keep turning out to be the best of my conservatory photos? Oh, you mean my profile pic, which is pretty obviously a costume…

Female doesn’t really answer the cis or trans* question btw.

Also, ick, I’m going to have censor that if our trolls are going to be digging it up. (FYI scrapemind, the profile info is from years ago, I don’t recall DA having an other option back then, I guess I should thank you for my finding that?)

Snowy
Snowy
8 years ago

Aww the little troll thought he was going to cleverly provoking some kind of transphobia fueled fight among the feminists. So sorry to disappoint, asshole.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

Well at least the trolls are taking shifts at the minute, rotation is so much better than two days straight of Owly.

scrapemind
8 years ago

Cliff, I don’t know the technical definition of third-wave feminism. What the term means to me is that, in opposition to radical feminists, lesbian separatists, and other second-wave feminists, they are pro-Slut Walk, pro-BDSM, pro-porn, and pro-trans. You can see the two waves fighting each other in Ms. Magazine comment threads.

Argenti, I guess cis.

Kyrie
Kyrie
8 years ago

Against lesbian separatism? I wouldn’t promote it, but they’re not actually hurting anybody, are they?

scrapemind
8 years ago

Against lesbian separatism? I wouldn’t promote it, but they’re not actually hurting anybody, are they?

They’re excluding trans women.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

What the term means to me is that, in opposition to radical feminists, lesbian separatists, and other second-wave feminists, they are pro-Slut Walk, pro-BDSM, pro-porn, and pro-trans.

The word you’re looking for is “sex-positive,” not “third-wave.” And do you actually have a problem with it or are you just sniping?

Also stop fucking guessing people’s gender identities, or I’m going to start guessing your gastrointestinal ailments. I GUESS UNCONTROLLABLE FARTING.

jumbofisch
jumbofisch
8 years ago

Wow you are a nasty troll aren’t you, trying to make people go all transphobic on someone because you find it “interesting”.

Fuck you.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I find it interesting to speculate on what a sad life scrapemind must have in order to find pleasure in attempting to pit strangers against each other online.

Kyrie
Kyrie
8 years ago

I don’t really much about lesbian separatism, to be honest.

Veronica K. B. (@VeronicaInPink)

You can see the two waves fighting each other in Ms. Magazine comment threads.

Do you troll there too?

I’m not a trans activist, but some of my friends are. I’m more interested in feminism in general, and those interests include trans women’s rights as well as women’s rights that don’t affect me directly – and all the issues in between. Several of the rad fems I have interacted with actually find that them and I have had much in common – well aside from raging haters like Cathy Brennan of course …

jumbofisch
jumbofisch
8 years ago

Do you normally try to out queer people in a group you think will be queerphobic for your own sick amusement?

scrapemind
8 years ago

Do you normally try to out queer people in a group you think will be queerphobic for your own sick amusement?

She was already out. Also, I didn’t think this group would be queerphobic. As I said, you’re third-wavers, which to me means the sort of people who would use the word queerphobic in the first place. I just commented on her trans-ness because I was reminded of the Trans Wars.

Cliff Pervocracy
8 years ago

I just commented on her trans-ness because I was reminded of the Trans Wars.

Oh cool, you’re an asshole.

…No particular reason, I was just reminded of something. I like to reveal personal information and see if someone gets attacked when I’m reminded of things. I’m whimsical like that.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Because it’s fun for me to watch people get attacked. No particular reason, I just enjoy it.

/sarcasm

jumbofisch
jumbofisch
8 years ago

She was already out

You do realize you can be out to some people and not others right? I had no idea she was trans, nor did probably most of the commenters.

Also, I didn’t think this group would be queerphobic.

Yes you did:

I commented on it because I picked up a hint of the fight between women’s liberation and transgender activism, which I like to watch.

You said you were trying to out her so you could watch us attack her for being trans because “you like to watch” you sick fuck.

As I said, you’re third-wavers, which to me means the sort of people who would use the word queerphobic in the first place.

But you didn’t know that, you implied you thought we were 2nd wavers.

I just commented on her trans-ness because I was reminded of the Trans Wars.

Again we were not even talking about radfem’s transphobia, there was no reason to bring it up unless you were hoping we would harass her over it or trying to dismiss what she was saying on grounds of her being trans.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Scrapemind must be awesome at parties.

“Oh, hey, remember that time when you were violently beaten as a child? Something that Bob said just reminded me of that, thought I’d ask if you remembered. Wait, why are people giving me appalled looks?”

Veronica K. B. (@VeronicaInPink)

I rarely comment here, but I have been reading the blog for a long time. I wouldn’t have been doing either if I thought this place was transphobic.

My comment was obviously directed at the blog post and making the point that feminism makes total sense from a rational point of view, aside from certain “outliers” …

At no point was trans anything relevant.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“Argenti, I guess cis.”

And you guess wrong! See, this is what happens when you make assumptions based on limited choices and a tiny photo (in costume no less) — genderqueer here, that photo is from a shoot while posing as one of the wayward Victorian girls from Emilie Autumn’s book…since the only men in The Asylum are doctors/guards and royal assholes, yeah… (well, I could’ve gone for the naive photographer, but I decided not to steal the only decent male role from my photographer)

I’m wearing about an hour’s worth of make up there btw, my photographer got a good chunk of The Asylum read while I was futzing with brushes.

And now I’m going to catch up on the rest of this thread and try not to be too creeped out that one of our trolls dug up a photo of me, I may seriously need to change that pic.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Shorter version — *points to avatar* androgynous ninja.

“At no point was trans anything relevant.”

Actually relevant? Nope; Relevant to his bigotry of the hour? Apparently.

Bigotry aside, scrapemind is a lulz troll if he’s just trying to pull up random shit to piss us off — not that that makes him better, but maybe he’ll go away if we don’t feed the troll.

red_locker
8 years ago

Scrapemind probably imagines peoples personal indentities as something akin to volatile chemicals in a high school lab, there to just mix together for shits and giggles.

Be careful, Scrapemind, that shit may burn ya.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

red_locker — for extra stupid, the photo he’s going on (in my case) was for shits and giggles. Basing my gender on cos-play, that is the sort of hilarity I was expecting I guess.

And this thread needs a derail, so let me note that I’ve also done Shuichi (the pink haired one) —

http://youtu.be/mpu4CMCpUZQ

And my avatar is Haku (Naruto spoilers from episode 20-something) —

http://youtu.be/mfI368VgU6c

hieropants
hieropants
8 years ago

The higher your testosterone, the more prone you are to crime.

Interestingly, it appears that increasing people’s testosterone levels leads to more fair behavior, whereas the perception of increased testosterone leads to more aggression. Apparently human social behavior is actually really complicated.

Leeloo Dallas Multipass

So either I’m not actually a feminist, not actually an atheist, or a number of MRAs don’t know what they’re talking about. I know which one I’d bet on!

Veronica K. B. (@VeronicaInPink)

Yeah, I remember when I had a lot of testosterone in my blood, I was such an angry monster. Killed kittens at least once a day, and I would always run over squirrels with my car.

Nope, that didn’t happen. I loved kittens then, and I love kittens now. Losing the T made my nipples a lot more sensitive though. Some of the MRAs should try it. It may distract them for a while. Couldn’t hurt …

VoIP
VoIP
8 years ago

Shut the hell up, scrapemind. None of the feminists here hate trans people.
Veronica, you own and don’t ever stop being you.

VoIP
VoIP
8 years ago

Ugh, if you come back to this thread, I’m interested in what you said here:

Re: Taiping Rebellion

Both sides did use conscription tactics. Taipings often went into villages to compel local people to serve. The Qing army , on the other hand, was pretty much all compulsory. Manchu noblemen served in the cavalry and the sharpshooter brigades as part of the requirements of their position, and most of their frontline infantry were Han conscripts. Most of the navies of both armies was simply stolen from private shipowners and repurposed.

I know the Taipings conscripted people, but I was under the impression that the ethnic Manchu part of the Qing army was hereditary and the ethnic Han part was voluntary.. Are you saying the Green Banners conscripted? Do you have a source on this? Because Chinese history is not my field at all and I would love more info. Catch you in the other thread.

Andy
Andy
8 years ago

I don’t know why I care…but I do because one of the people pissed me off. Someone said something like, “Are you HER best friend too? Do you know what she whats to do with her life? Do you know what her dreams and aspirations?” Some of you guys make some good points and I respect your opinions, but I didn’t respect this. When I say were best friends thats exactly what I mean. We are both each others best friends. “What does she get from the relationship?” Umm what the fuck? She gets me and I what do I get, I get her. That’s the meaning of a relationship, that your TOGETHER. Jesus. Yea, I’m her best friend, I know ALL ABOUT HER BECAUSE IM HER BEST FRIEND. I know she loves horses, gets really upset when she see’s a dead animal, wants to be a designer, is a good student, loves her family, likes hiking, likes wine, wants to move to france when she’s older, but just for a little bit, she likes dressing up on saturday nights (its okay that some girls like to dress up she is not submitting to me or something, she liked doing this before I met her and will like dressing up her whole life, some women like to look pretty and it doesn’t mean their submitting to men, she expects me to dress up too even though im really casual, its more I’m submitting to her lol) and she is pretty much nice to everybody, but her main interest is horses and wants to make it in dressage. Its not a bad thing to want to look good for your boyfriend. My girl wants to look good for me, she’s told me, and I want to look good for her, I’ve told her. I told her today some women think its bad to dress up and put makeup on, that they think its submitting to men, she just laughed. One thing I think you guys are right about are the MRA sites that have fetishes over foreign women…It is creepy, the site I was reading before I read the other ones today that I thought was pretty good was(decided not to say it, but it was more of one of those “game” sites or whatever”, but I found some other ones that are kinda weird..anyway I get your point on some of those. But one person said that men are born criminals. Umm, no. I don’t think that at all. Most girls say that girls are meaner to each other than guys are to each other. But think what you will. This is my last post and I’m not posting on this site anymore, but I might read the replies to this. I think some of you guys have a problem with men because the guys your attracted to don’t like you. I think the MRA guys have a problem with women because they’re not able to attract one. That’s why you always have to try to emasculate a male poster by calling them “cupcake” or something and thats why MRA guys have to call American women skanks. Both sides are compensating for the fact they really just aren’t too happy in their lives. By the way, Prague is the coolest city in the world, I went to a lot of the prague Fringe festival plays, and some of them had feminist themes you guys would like, the ones I went to were the funny ones though. My girl liked one the best where it was this one british guy made a lot of self-depracating jokes about his attempts at finding a girl, and then finally got over his insecurity. Anyway good luck…with all this.

Andy
Andy
8 years ago

And yes, I haven’t been very sobber while posting on here.

speedlines
speedlines
8 years ago

That was interesting.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Andy — sobriety aside, you think you could hit enter once in a while? They don’t even need to be proper paragraphs, just break that fucking wall o’ text up a bit would you? (That doesn’t happen to be Czech vodka does it? If it is, please pass the bottle)