Things I learned on Reddit today.
1) From a_weed_wizard in the Men’s Rights subreddit, I learned that feminists cannot be atheists:
GirlWritesWhat agrees:
I’m not sure where those downvotes came from, since everything GirlWritesWhat says is by definition true.
2) From AskHistorians, I learned that feminists trying to correctly translate ancient Greek are evil man-hating monsters. Check out the downvotes on EggyMc!
Obviously, she’s retranslating with malice aforethought!
In this case, it’s easy to tell where at least some of the downvotes are coming from: A link on the Men’s Rights subreddit.
MRAs: protecting ancient Greek history from MISANDRY since 2012!
Blitzgal: it’s epic! BUt here’s a quickie overview:
http://studentactivism.net/2012/01/22/hugo-schwyzer-is-still-doing-harm/
Re Hugo
He wrote a post about how he once tried to kill his ex-girlfriend because she was raped and (he decided) her life was ruined. He was intending it to be a murder/suicide, but somehow they were rescued (can’t remember how). The point of this story was supposed to be about how this was a transformative experience for Hugo that was important to his recovery and oh look what a wonderful person he is now that he found God and yadda yadda.
It was one of the most disgusting displays of self-absorption that you’ll ever read. No real sense of guilt, no desire to make amends – it was all about Hugo and his journey of self-discovery.
scrapemind — so wait, men are inherently criminal? But feminism is wrong? I really can’t tell if you’re pro-MRM, or just pro-ev-psych. If you’re pro-prison-rape you should get together with Ruby.
“He was intending it to be a murder/suicide, but somehow they were rescued (can’t remember how).”
You can’t remember how because he couldn’t keep that part of the story straight — in one version it was the neighbor’s smelling gas, in another it was some shit about how he wanted to be saved and called a friend.
And he posted that all because someone asked him how to forgive himself for letting a dog out in coyote territory (the dog was fine) — he compared trying to kill his ex (and himself) with accidentally letting a dog loose.
I’d forgotten the bit about the dog. Hugo’s ability to avoid taking responsibility for his actions really is kind of amazing. Attempted murder is an accident, like unintentionally letting the dog out. Is the oven a stand-in for the coyotes in this scenario?
“Attempted murder is an accident, like unintentionally letting the dog out. Is the oven a stand-in for the coyotes in this scenario?”
He claimed it was an poorly thought out example or something similar — about the only thing he’s ever said that I’ll believe actually. I don’t recall it being poorly thought out because he did something so much worse though, just poorly thought out in general.
In other words, he yet again failed to take responsibility for what he said and basically attributed it to lack of coffee (or whatever, I guess he’d see coffee as not being “post addiction Hugo”).
And then he took the post down because of some vague legal thing, but assured his readers he isn’t being sued or arrested or anything like that. I know children with more sense of responsibility than him >.<
Oh, he also described the post-rape sex he had with his ex as “desperately hot” — the whole thing made slime molds seem less slimy than him.
Ugh Hugo!!
I’m not sure what the feminist community ever saw in him…most times I read his work I felt I needed to take a shower, he had some powerful stink about him that I had a difficult time putting a finger on
The higher your testosterone, the more prone you are to crime. That’s why men are more criminal than women. I don’t believe in feminism or the cargo cult attempt at a male equivalent to feminism. Ruby seems to be too biological determinist for feminists to accept her as one of them, but there’s no reason for me to get together with her. Prisons shouldn’t allow rape, and it’s not funny because it happens to a criminal.
Here’s a lovely irony given how the MRM feels about both the word creep and Hugo – that feeling that pillowinhell is talking about? It’s there because Hugo is a creep. He’s also not bad looking, from a rich family, and tall, all of which are supposed to be things that lead to men not being seen as creepy according to the people who whine about the use of the word creepy. And yet still, lots of women find Hugo very creepy indeed, and did even before his “btw I kind of tried to kill my ex, oopsie” revelation.
Really? A direct, causal relationship? Well I suppose that would be almost impossible to show, but a study showing a high correlation between crime and testosterone levels would be fascinating! I’d love to see your source.
The samples couldn’t be entirely random, obviously, since the criminals would most likely have to be pulled from the prison system. A matched study, then? The authors of your source selected a number of inmates, and matched them to non-incarcerated controls that are relatively similar in terms of SES, race, age, gender, etc.? Matched studies are not very generalizable, which is why they’re not particularly common, but it would have the benefit of helping to overcome confounding variables that lead to incarceration — race being the big one, of course. Then, they measured the testosterone of the participants in both the active and control groups, and found the active group to have significantly higher levels? Wow! Please, I’d love a link, this study sounds very interesting.
“Ruby seems to be too biological determinist for feminists to accept her as one of them, but there’s no reason for me to get together with her. Prisons shouldn’t allow rape, and it’s not funny because it happens to a criminal.”
Viscaria answered the rest, but this bit? Pre-“prison rape is hilarious” we grudgingly dealt with her desire to ev-psych everything — e.g. women want wealthy men because ev-psych (I’m still waiting for an answer as to how artists manage to get laid then)
Cassandra — re: Hugo and “creep” — I had to screen shot this when it happened because ALL THE IRONY — he did a piece at Jezebel on creep-shaming.
@ Argenti
I read that! From what I remember there were a lot of comments going “um, so…don’t you think this is a little…um…”.
Viscaria, I can’t speak the language of science as you can, but the point is that men are universally more criminal than women. I can’t show that testosterone causes it, but that’s no reason for me to drop everything and believe that any sort of society can exist, even one where women are more criminal than men.
scrapemind, I wasn’t trying to fling a bunch of high-falutin’ words at you to make you feel bad. The reality is, my scientific education is far from extensive; I haven’t even managed to complete a Bachelor’s degree. It just happens that what little education I have received focused on human participants research, so I know some of the lingo.
But you don’t need to know the lingo to grasp the point I was trying to make, and should have made in simpler terms: claiming that testosterone causes crime is a huge, huge claim. It’s one that sweeps away dozens upon dozens of other factors that may contribute to crime, many of which have already been examined in the social science literature. You can’t simply state that massive claim matter-of-factly, as if it were something “everybody knows”, without backing it up with something.
Let’s start with defining “more criminal” then eh? Plenty of cultures have had no concept of criminality that compares to modern Anglocentric definitions (and that’s ignoring the problem of whether drug possession should actually be counted here).
Here, simple non-science question — upon what exactly do you base this view? Are we having more BRAINFAX? (You might want to start with this wiki — which basically sums to “it is actually socialization”)
Wishing not to interact with selfish people like that simply isn’t the same thing as wanting to marry someone who’s being oppressed.
I’m not sure I understand the intersection of “you’re being oppressed” and “therefore, I should marry you.” If someone’s being oppressed, my first reaction is, “hey, can I do anything to stop that?”
Feminist: Check
Atheist: Check
Do I approach feminism from a point of faith? No.
I applied critical thinking and rational thought and found that feminism mostly makes a lot of sense. Aside from bigoted radicals that is.
Veronica, everyone will know you’re trans if you take gratuitous shots at radical feminists.
No problem. It is stated pretty clearly on my Twitter profile anyway.
Hey scrapemind why don’t you fuck off and stop obsessing about other people’s gender identities?
+1 to Snowy. Like, what the hell?
Viscaria:
I don’t want to tell people how to troll-stomp, but that reply always seems like validating the premise. Surely women don’t turn to feminism to find boyfriends anyway, and if that’s a turn-off, good riddance.
But again, I don’t want to tell people how to troll-stomp, and I’m seeing it only from the outside; as a man(gina), I get a different set of insults.
scapemind:
“You used big words, that makes me right and you wrong.”
(Also, I’ve been trying not to mock people’s nyms, because low-hanging fruit, but I couldn’t resist.)
There seems to be a lot of transphobia among radical feminist. TERFs are assholes. Am I trans yet? Does that mean I a man or am I the first FAAB trans woman?
Yeah, I totally agree, that’s what I tried (very poorly) to express. It’s like when people say “feminists are ugly!” sometimes my first thought is to object, to point to “pretty” feminists, etc., but that’s paying attention to the wrong thing. The important thing is that it DOESN’T FUCKING MATTER if we’re all hideous women that nobody would ever want; and I don’t want to be with anybody who doesn’t get that. I hope that’s clearer >.> I am terrible with words sometimes.
I know a good number of cis feminists, and they aren’t TERFs by a long shot.
scrape-dude probably just checked my Twitter profile. As if “outing” me would make any difference to my post.
He also seems to think that my dismissal of parts of radical feminism was gratuitous, as if I needed other reasons than the fact that I’m a target of their bigotry. Or maybe “gratuitous” is another one of those big sciency words he don’t understand.
In any case, just because some people use feminism as a platform for their hatred, doesn’t mean that is what feminism is about. It won’t make me less of a feminist, on the contrary in fact.