Sorry to return so quickly to the fetid mind of MRA blabologist JohnTheOther, but, well, you’ll see why I have.
Here is Mr. TheOther in AskReddit, responding to the question “Women of Reddit, how do you feel about cumshots?” (No, he is not strictly speaking a “woman of Reddit,” not like that’s going to stop him.) Enjoy the irony of the A Voice for Men second banana rehashing, apparently with utter sincerity, an argument once set forth, rather infamously, by a feminist fellow named Hugo Schwyzer. And enjoy the also-very-special response from fellow MRA SuicideBanana, whom we met earlier in the week.
I know Mr. TheOther is concerned about people “quote mining” comments, and presenting them out of context, but in this case, there is no further context. His comment, which I have presented unedited in screenshot form, isn’t in response to any other comment; it’s simply an answer to the question I alluded to above. Mr. TheOther does respond to SuicideBanana’s remarks about him being an advocate and facilitator of violence, as you can see if you clicky click here, but sheds no more light on the issue of porno cumshots as a “pseudo-mystical representation of the sexuality of the viewer.”
It’s weird how consistent MRAs are at finding something that is, in fact, rooted in sexism, and then getting it completely ass-backwards. They can look at the fact that the overwhelming majority of porn is made by male producers for a male audience and is designed to play into male fantasies and see no problem with any of that, but once you point out that this means women are pretty obviously going to be more successful than men when the job requirements are quite literally “give straight guys boners,” that’s a terrible injustice that must be remedied. But not by, like, encouraging porn producers to make movies that appeal to women, or anything. I’m sure that would be misandry, too, somehow.
I honestly don’t know how porn actors do it.
One would think that having a director, two or three cameramen, a sound guy and a lighting guy in the room would kind of spoil the mood.
How do any other kind of actors do it?
You either get really good at holding on to a mood internally no matter the distractions, or you learn to simulate a mood externally even though you’re not feeling it.
…Also I hear a lot of the guys take Viagra.
Are we taking bets on how long Varpole’s flounce will last? I think he’s just taking a break and hoping everyone will forget his failed attempt at sockpuppeting.
Farewell, antimanboobz, the pointless blog that nobody read.
Obviously you made this site to cash in on the status quo 😉 Controver$y
Holly: ” Make your partners feel like suckers for fucking you, and you’re going to get awfully tired out having to find a new bridge to burn every time you want to get laid.”
Or, if you’re like me, and stubborn to a fault with a very healthy dose of not ever wanting to let anyone have the satisfaction of belittling you, or to have them get even a slight chance to do so, you refuse refuse refuse, and get labelled either a prude, or someone who doesn’t REALLY love them. And the more pressure, the more stubborn you become, along with very cranky feelings.
I really, really do not like to feel as though I have given in.
(sorry if I’m garbled. This ginger is sort of horrifically sunburnt, and probably suffering a titch of sunsickness.)
two months. I have to say I didn’t think he would be quite as active as he was. I figured maybe five posts, and about a month.
But he couldn’t hack it. No John the Baptist he. A couple of months of no one but us (and Huuck, if there is such a person) and he fold his tent.
Where is the conviction? if he is doing such important work he ought to be willing to take the petty slings and arrows of our jealous nature.
Maybe he wasn’t being honest with himself? Perhaps he expected the MRM to flock to his banner?
We will never know.
Film comeshots started as a way to reduce the risk of pregnancy (since skin flicks are as old as the movie camera). The don’t seem to have existed before films. I suspect that as a narrative device the moves needed an ending in a way postcards, and figurines didn’t.
And the medium being more visceral, it bled into photo, and cartoon, porn.
Looking the ways the visual narrative has changed, video, with the much cheaper production costs moved to a more free form (Ugly Georg in NYC in the early ;80s) and the misogynistic aspects of the industry became even more pronounced.
we read it…
I like how Antimanboobz is all “I can’t possibly continue this blog after David’s said mean things about me,” when the entire purpose of the blog was to say mean things about David.
I think he’s trying to get people to think Manboobz somehow shut him down, but it’s coming off a lot more “can dish it out but can’t take it.”
Whaaat? Anti-manboobz is gone? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
What is this shit about men being treated poorly in the porn business? You know who has the highest salary in porn? The dudebros who make and sell it, and it is almost all men making and selling it.
My sense is that he is implying that David was going to doxx him.
Big, bad David.
Founder and mod of r/beatingwomen (Yes, that particular lie will never die. How convenient that r/mr has banned David, so that they can lie about him there with impunity. Reddit is A W E S O M E.
Don’t cross him, he’ll get you.
Serves me right for checking this site at work; I get a dick drawing.
i like how one blog comment, which david hasnt repeated since because seriously, that would be stupid, constitutes a ‘smear campaign’
Filetofswedishfish said: Or, if you’re like me, and stubborn to a fault with a very healthy dose of not ever wanting to let anyone have the satisfaction of belittling you, or to have them get even a slight chance to do so, you refuse refuse refuse
Right there with ya buddy. That whole casual sex thing is unfathomable to me-how can you fuck someone you can’t trust completely?
I mean I know people are cool with that but I’m SO NOT. Wish I was :/
Silly DSC, don’t you know everything has to be about men, all the time and everywhere or else it’s misandry?
OK, let me preface this by stating that JtO is a prize buffoon, I find him more amusing than most other MRAs. It goes without saying that I totally disagree with him on almost everything that he says.
But he has the makings of a point, albeit a confused one. The “cumshot” IS all about the male hetero viewer feeling like the woman on screen is on the receiving end of the viewers sexuality, inasmuch as the male actor is doing it on behalf of the viewers. That’s why it’s known as the money shot.
hmmm…why are female porn stars paid more? I’d think it has something to do with their entire bodies on screen screeching and moaning and actually selling it rather than just a male pornstar thrusting. I’d also think it has something to do with female pornstars being slapped, choked, insulted, spat on, having their bodies bent in many uncomfortable looking positions, having all their body parts used, humiliated, degraded, and generally being submissive to please their male audience and yes, cummed on.
But hey, if male pornstars want to step up and do all those things, maybe I’ll do more than just laugh in disgust and MRAs who whine about male pornstars making less.
Equal pay for an equal job done right? well the role of male and female pornstars is not equal. Not by a fucking longshot.
Well, to be fair, it’s likely his blog’s entire audience would have seen it. XD
Varpole’s audience, I mean. Not David’s.
My brain is just on a loop of “Ugh, yow, yikes, whut?”
I’d never seen that particular dollop from Schwyzer before. That was bizarre, and completely ignores the context of like 99% of porn. (the remaining 1% falling under the category of “fetish”)
I actually understand JtO’s argument, although I think it’s typical of the MRA mindset. It doesn’t matter how the woman feels about it, it’s REALLY all about the man watching the porn. =P
@Quackers: Which is why male pornstars make more money doing gay porn. They do all that extra work and get compensated for it.
Women do not exist except as objects of mens’ desire. To suggest otherwise is to insult male sexuality and misandry.
“Or, if you’re like me, and stubborn to a fault with a very healthy dose of not ever wanting to let anyone have the satisfaction of belittling you, or to have them get even a slight chance to do so, you refuse refuse refuse”
Cosigning. I am to all intents and purposes not persuadable. If something sexual doesn’t appeal to me, I’m not doing it, and attempts to talk me into it after I’ve clearly said no are not going to be well received. Trying the “but if you loved me you would do it, why are you not more accepting of male sexuality?” argument on me is going to result in me dumping you, so you’re not going to get laid at all, at least not with me.
Whenever anyone has tried that approach with me I’ve ended up telling them that if whatever it is that I’m not interested in is really important to them then they should probably go find someone who’s into it. Which of course means us breaking up, since I’m not poly, so they get to choose whether or not this is something they can live without or not, and if they say “sorry, this isn’t something I can live without” and walk away that’s fine, but I’m not poly so it does mean that we’re breaking up. As a young person I kept expecting people to go “oh, OK, guess this just isn’t meant to be then, see you around”, and was rather surprised that instead people* would usually redouble their attempts to manipulate me into stuff. Which is how I figured out that it’s usually an attempt to manipulate and exert dominance, and rarely a good faith effort to get one’s needs met.
*Note that I’m only talking about 3 people. Most of the guys I’ve dated have not been assholes and have not tried to pull this shit.