So over on the Men’s Rights subreddit the resident dudes (and small but statistically significant population of dudettes) were getting all worked up at the notion of men standing up for women, and getting into fisticuffs over them, and all that sort of thing.
And then SuicideBanana said this:
You know that’s the feminist ideal. You see it blatantly in radfemhub, but I’ve seen more moderate feminists swoon over the idea. Sometimes I wonder if they’d have us living in some wasteland fighting on another over the scraps to survive while occasionally taking one of us, the strongest, hostage for breeding. …
That’s why when some drunk asshole or something comes over to me and tries to start a fight while there are other people around I try to avoid it. I do so because I know somewhere there could be a feminist watching who would be rubbing her hands together over it and getting wet panties of seeing two men duking it out blow for blow while daydreaming about her utopia.
Upvoted!
Oh, Men’s Rights subreddit, don’t ever change.
“why wouldn’t the women pick the most attractive men, rather than the strongest ones?”
Protection against saber tooth tigers of course! Or maybe lions…oh wait, those find men just as tasty as women…idk (it’s the mammoths, something about hunting mammoths, or maybe updated to elephants…)
But if the women needed protection they’d want men around all the time. See, MRAs, you need to think your weird negative utopias through before sharing them with the public.
Don’t we just make men fight for yuks, or possibly because we’re evil, inscrutable, and deeply stupid/devious? And then we have sex with the winner of the fight because whatever. It’s part of our evil plan to make men fight more. I guess what I’m saying is that we’re all on our periods and we don’t really know what we’re doing, but we’re MAD.
I think I liked it better when we were making men become feminist-white-knight-manginas with our sexy sexy vaginas.
@ SWGM
This fantasy needs more “men look into each other’s eyes mid-wrestle, start passionately making out, viewer gets to join in later”.
“This fantasy needs more “men look into each other’s eyes mid-wrestle, start passionately making out, viewer gets to join in later”
I agree, though I just want to watch 😀
Apparently Franz von Stuck made a second version of “Der Kampf ums Weib” too.
One that features the dudes hugging
http://www.canvaz.com/de_gallery/13962.htm
The woman, of course, is not pleased about that.
I love how MRAs habitually cough up all sorts of sexist fantasies and then try to blame them on “feminism”. So somehow they are BOTH saying that feminists are to blame for the patriarchy AND that we live in a world ruled by women.
I also love how they seem to think that feminism means women have lives like in Sex and the City (it would never occur to them that most feminists would find SATC… well… sexist).
Um, where do I sign up?
why wouldn’t the women pick the most attractive men, rather than the strongest ones?
Aren’t those one and the same? Because I don’t have it in me to be shallow two different ways.
I’m beginning to think there will be no forced mating at all.
Pretty sure one of the first historically relevant stories depicting this mindset isn’t actually Star Trek…
It’s Helen of Troy.
A lot of dudes try to fight this guy? Shocking. I really hope he says ‘Wait, if you hit me the feminists win!’
It makes no sense anyway. Everyone knows the feminist super secret evil plan is to make all men effeminate so that they will submissive and stay at home with our kids (not theirs necessarily, though) while we go have have fun. This is why we don’t want men to be strong, smart, courageous and fast.
(I know, our plan contains a lot of non sequitur. It’s a work in progress)
“That’s why when some drunk asshole or something comes over to me and tries to start a fight while there are other people around I try to avoid it. I do so because I know somewhere there could be a feminist watching who would be rubbing her hands together over it and getting wet panties of seeing two men duking it out blow for blow while daydreaming about her utopia.”
Riiiiight, of course, THAAAAATTTT’S why you’re scared to stand up for yourself against a surly drunk, cuz you might make a scheming feminist horny. I understand.
Here it is in color.
http://www.canvaz.com/de_gallery/14004.htm
Stuck has an interesting aesthetic.
Argenti: (considering the number of men who don’t want kids, this should really be seen as a good thing even by the MRM)
No. Because the MRM also wants “Paper abortions”, where they can just walk away, no strings attached if they offer to cover the cost (sometimes only “their share”) and the woman refuses.
Pretty sure one of the first historically relevant stories depicting this mindset isn’t actually Star Trek…
It’s Helen of Troy.
Who’s as fictional as Star Trek. Except in the “Big Book of Learnin'”, that is.
My god. Is this the speech this dude delivers when someone steps up to him? What a mouthful. Just say you’re a new dad, or have a weak immune system or something.
Pecunium — re: “paper abortions” — I know, and it’s just frikken’ weird. Men more or less get to control whether a condom is used, considering none of the female birth control methods offer STD protection, you’d think they’ be happy with condoms. But apparently saying use a condom makes me a misandrist.
“Stuck has an interesting aesthetic.” — I like it, but I have a thing for renaissance chiaroscuro. (warning, the examples get NSFW about 3/4th of the way down, the text bits are all old paintings though)
Since I’ve been reading at Manboobz, the phrase “paper abortion” (along with “male disposability”) have joined the list of “words that prove these people are misognistic asshats with whom there is no point to try to engage.”
“But apparently saying use a condom makes me a misandrist.”
According to MRAs, it is a woman’s job to make sure no STDs are spread or pregnancy occurs. Asking a man to shoulder the burden is misandry, because men can’t control their penises, and they shouldn’t have to. All vaginas should be safe. And available to MRAs, but not other men, ie manginas.
Fembot — brilliant, just fucking brilliant. Does that only apply to those “bad girl” STDs, or yeast infections too? What about incurable STDs? Even if she got it from a rapist she should never have sex again?
And what if he acquires an STD from rape? He’s a pariah, or she has to be monogamous even if they divorce or he dies?
Reductio ad absurdum, I love it. Considering the point is probably to enforce monogamy and ban divorce, all the above would probably be cool with them, except the answer to the last one would be b, not a) he’s a pariah. A woman in his position would be, but men? Never! That’d be misandry, and making women pariahs isn’t because um…
I can’t even guess, the sarcasm broke, any guesses anyone?
Except in the Iliad, she actually hates her lot in life and wants the whole thing to be over. In one scene, Aphrodite browbeats her into staying and looking pretty for the Trojan troops.
I missed the forced-breeding-of-men bit of The Iliad too.
Argenti: there is a female condom. (though I must shamefully admit that I have yet to manage to put it correctly, stupid thing)
Kyrie — sorry, that was the point of “more or less” — I was thinking that while women can prevent pregnancy, even if an abusive partner is engaging in reproductive coercion, there’s not much women (and other vagina having people) can do about STDs if their partner isn’t willing. I was unclearly lumping all condoms together and excluding female condoms from female birth control methods, and should’ve been clearer on that. Mea culpa.
Point was that in a (cis) heterosexual relationship, she can prevent pregnancy, to a degree, even if he’s trying to force pregnancy, but can’t prevent STDs without his consent. I was thinking worse case there though, not healthy relationship sexytimes — should’ve included that I meant men have ultimate control over STD protection if they’re being abusive assholes though, yeah.