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“Sometimes I wonder if they’d have us living in a wasteland fighting over scraps while occasionally taking one of us hostage for breeding.”

The feminist utopia. (Franz von Stuck, “The Battle over Woman,” 1905)

So over on the Men’s Rights subreddit the resident dudes (and small but statistically significant population of dudettes) were getting all worked up at the notion of men standing up for women, and getting into fisticuffs over them, and all that sort of thing.

And then SuicideBanana said this:

You know that’s the feminist ideal. You see it blatantly in radfemhub, but I’ve seen more moderate feminists swoon over the idea. Sometimes I wonder if they’d have us living in some wasteland fighting on another over the scraps to survive while occasionally taking one of us, the strongest, hostage for breeding. …

That’s why when some drunk asshole or something comes over to me and tries to start a fight while there are other people around I try to avoid it. I do so because I know somewhere there could be a feminist watching who would be rubbing her hands together over it and getting wet panties of seeing two men duking it out blow for blow while daydreaming about her utopia.

Upvoted!

Oh, Men’s Rights subreddit, don’t ever change.

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Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
12 years ago

Of course. Everyone knows that if two guys get in a brawl, that all women in the vicinity will sit around laughing and doing that thumbs up/down thing like from the movie Gladiator.
/sarcasm

Okay, so they think that if two guys fight over a woman, it’s the woman’s fault. By that logic, if two guys fight over a TV, is it the TV’s fault? How dare the TV have such a clear picture and provoke people into fighting!

creativewritingstudent
creativewritingstudent
12 years ago

@Kendra

They’ll probably blame the TV for their ban from the electronics department too, and the fact they had to pay for damaged merchandise, and their court date…

HeatherN
12 years ago

@Kendra:

And when two guys get into a fight over sports teams, it’s the sports teams’ faults, of course. (I’m looking at you Yankees and Red Sox). lol

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
12 years ago

I’m sure most women probably think it’s immature for men to get into fist fights.

Falconer
12 years ago

Is it just me, or does the woman in the picture look supremely bored by the whole fight?

I don’t know, something about the whole concept behind the picture makes me think that, whatever the outcome, what happens to the woman is going to be pretty much the same. Why should she have a stake in a fight that makes no difference to her?

NOT SAYING ALL MEN ARE BRUTES WHO HANDLE WOMEN ROUGHLY, NWOSLAVE, SO JUST HOP IT.

Fembot
12 years ago

My post wouldn’t go through. Have I been banned?

Dracula
Dracula
12 years ago

I’m sure most women probably think it’s immature for men to get into fist fights.

Some women do think prison rape is hilarious, though. Know any women like that, Ruby?

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
12 years ago

Oh Criminy! Did you ever see two or more d00dz doing the dominance dance over a fire?
Six inches of snow on the ground and we had to open the doors because the heat was unbearable.

Kyrie
Kyrie
12 years ago

Wait Ruby, what if your boyfriend gets in a bar fight with someone BAD. Is it funny, hot, immature? All of the above?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

“My post wouldn’t go through. Have I been banned?”

The mod queue eats posts with “lots of links” — I have yet to figure out what exactly counts as lots though. You probably just got flagged by the auto-spam filter, it isn’t very bright.

“Did you ever see two or more d00dz doing the dominance dance over a fire?”

Oh gods, I really hope my former roommate never starts that, there’s enough motor oil in his standard bonfire (to which I am no longer invited if I keep complaining about burning oil and the environment…)

Dracula
Dracula
12 years ago

Motor oil? Cheater.

firinm1lzr
firinm1lzr
12 years ago

That’s pretty much exactly what I DON’T think about whenever I’m someplace where it looks like a barfight might break out (which hasn’t happened more than a handful of times in my life, so I’m wondering just how often people really try to pick fights with this guy).

I don’t think the other guys are the ones picking fights, to be honest.

VoIP
VoIP
12 years ago

Hey guys, that was VoIP. Can you change the name?

Magpie
Magpie
12 years ago

I did see a woman encourage two drunk men to keep fighting once. Don’t know if she started it, they were already going when we got there. Every time they stopped, she’d go and talk quietly in the ear of one, then the other, and back to the first one till they went back out in the carpark where all their “friends” stood around and cheered them on. They blokes were falling-down drunk and didn’t really want to fight.
I can almost guarantee that woman wasn’t a feminist, though.

Nanasha
Nanasha
12 years ago

I guess I never got the memo where women were bestowed with mind-control powers that automatically made men into drooling slaves with no free will.

Also, what is up with the idea that all people are interchangeable if they just share a certain amount of similar appearance factors? It seems to stem from the interchangeable parts/capitalism/consumerism that first world countries seem to follow like a god- the idea that you’re replaceable at your job, that if your spouse thinks you’re getting a bit too old and gray, they can just replace you with a “younger model” with no ill effects or anything, and the idea that at some point, you’ll just lose value as a human being and everyone will wish they could kill you were it not for human rights that make involuntary euthanasia illegal.

I think it’s a sad state of affairs when people with privilege have to shout loudly “I’m not replaceable! I am really a special snowflake!” and then with the same breath they also say, “but YOU, you are replaceable, just in case you were getting it into your head that *I* am replaceable! NO! It is actually completely opposite!”

A world where some people are disposable and replaceable is a world where EVERYONE is disposable and replaceable.

I don’t know if I really want to live in that kind of world with no way to change it, to be honest.

Raoul
Raoul
12 years ago

I don’t think radfems want men fighting over scraps in some post-apocalyptic thunderdome-cum-caveworld. But I do think a few MRAs, or at least their buds on the “alt-rightist” front, would welcome that outcome. Go read Jack Donovan sometime.

jumbofisch
jumbofisch
12 years ago

thunderdome-cum-caveworld

I read that as thunderdome-cat-catworld and I like that picture much better.

Raoul
Raoul
12 years ago

Cats make anything better. But hey! Why
aren’t you reminding everyone I’m just a troll?

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

Two cats enter, one cat leaves!

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

Oh hai troll. Happy?

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
12 years ago

Can’t we all just get beyond Thunderdome?

SWGM
12 years ago

…so, wait, I’m a *bad* feminist if I like the idea of watching two oiled-up, bikini brief-clad, grunting hunks wrestling and then having sex with the winner (and probably the loser, too)? Because…if that’s bad, I’m not sure I wanna be good.

Shiraz
Shiraz
12 years ago

Actually, I’d rather see “Dogs and cats, living together. Mass hysteria!” Than some dystopic version of Fight Club.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago

“Actually, I’d rather see “Dogs and cats, living together. Mass hysteria!””

Also staring the human Chris Griffan, a hallucinating abusive drunk, and a frazzled mother! Now playing at my parents house 24/7! (The pets are hilarious though, the dog’s tags had to be filed down a bit because he kept jumping for the reflection on the ceiling…to which the cat say “wtf is his problem? I’ll be over there“)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

“Sometimes I wonder if they’d have us living in some wasteland fighting on another over the scraps to survive while occasionally taking one of us, the strongest, hostage for breeding”

In the never-going-to-happen scenario described, why wouldn’t the women pick the most attractive men, rather than the strongest ones? Are they back to pretending that women have sex for mysterious reasons that have nothing to do with physical attraction again?