I’m gonna keep talkin’ bout cats. Finally got the elusive Cat #2 to submit to brushing yesterday. His brother, fortunately the much hairier of the two, loooooooves brush time; but #2 most fervently Does Not Want. Until the day he learned that no one can resist the brushing charms of Step-Mommy Viscaria! Bf was 90% impressed and 10% jealous I managed to get his cat to passively accept something he usually gets in a big tizzy about.
ShadetheDruid
12 years ago
The only mildly funny (in a laughing at obvious stupidity kind of way) part of the whole Ruby situation is that she caused it in the first place, by linking to another site related to a different subject (if I remember), and not thinking that we would scroll down to see her laughing it up about prison rape and call her out on it.
Or maybe i’m just giving her too much credit, because she seems surprised every time someone doesn’t agree with her.
On cats, and the brushing thereof:
Both of mine love being brushed, though they react differently to it. One tries to eat the brush and anything attached to it, while the other goes into Ecstasy Mode (the same reaction it gives to prolonged scratching) and just dribbles all over the place.
Ruby Hypatia
12 years ago
Cute kitty airplane!
Still talking about me? No, it’s EVIL men who deserve to be raped, you know, the guys who have caused pain and suffering to others. Yeah, I have no sympathy for them. Karma would be wonderful!
Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago
“It’s generally discouraged here, and if placed in a desire, rather than a “cast yourself in their shoes” question it gets expunged, and the person who says it gets yelled at (see Ruby, and prisons).”
Yeah that’s basically that David said, to which Zek replied with a long comment that basically sums to “well it happened to ToySoldier” and this “I have been burned before and having to defend my own victimization is not something I’m keen on doing again =/ ”
And a claim that the MRAs here and radicals. The reply is here if anyone’s curious.
Cats! The narcissist ex had a very elusive bengal, who he swore was not going to let me pet her. Amazing what a slice of pepperoni will do XD
ShadetheDruid
12 years ago
Help, I think I just developed magical summoning powers, what do I do? :O
Still talking about me? No, it’s EVIL men who deserve to be raped, you know, the guys who have caused pain and suffering to others. Yeah, I have no sympathy for them. Karma would be wonderful!
Yes, because you still have the evil belief that people deserve to be raped.
So much so that you are still actively defending it. You are in the same camp as Meller, and NWO. The only difference is why you think people should be raped.
That means are not as good a person as you think (esp. because you think that committing fraud is deserving of rape, and don’t care that the man you said you would laugh heartily about learning had been raped is elderly, and a trifle frail).
That’s why I still talk about it. Because you still think it, and you pretend that we should ignore that.
CassandraSays
12 years ago
Quite apart from all the other reasons why your view on prison rape is disgusting (nobody “deserves” to be raped, or to have things happen to them that were not part of their sentence in general), you are aware that not everyone who goes to jail has hurt people, right? And that the most vicious prisoners are the ones who are likely to end up doing the raping rather than being raped? It’s not like Theoretical Prison Rapist is going to pause before he rapes someone and go, “wait, you’re in for tax evasion, or drug possession, or petty theft? I guess I’ll just let you go and find someone else to rape, then”.
Ruby has the same problem as the woman I was arguing with on Huffpo: She bascially thinks that anyone who doesn’t want to be raped in prison should just never go to prison.
But Ruby doesn’t care, because it pleases her to think of, “bad people” getting raped.
She’s a sadist at a remove. She gets her pleasure from the idea of people being tortured, and she doesn’t care whom it hurts, nor does it bother her if people who “don’t deserve it” get raped too. They are just collateral damage in her vengeance fantasies.
Zek conveniently can’t remember when, or under what name, he was abused here, or maybe it was on his own blog, but it was totally by manboobzers, and David should have banned them — wait, look over there, Toysoldier! I dunno, I looked at a few months’ worth of his blog, and it appears I am not the only person who finds it too boring to comment on.
ostara321
12 years ago
Still talking about me? No, it’s EVIL men who deserve to be raped, you know, the guys who have caused pain and suffering to others. Yeah, I have no sympathy for them. Karma would be wonderful!
NOW can we ban her? Seriously, she’s basically just all but asserted that she pretty much craves the attention. I still haven’t ruled out the possibility of her being an MRA fake feminist, but there seems to be too much commitment to it.
In any case, Ruby, I have no sympathy for you, because ruling out the possibility that you’re an MRA fake feminist, I think you’re a terrible person with some truly evil, hateful worldviews. And so much privilege shining out your ass, you think your bogus sense of “justice” can be instituted fairly. However; I still don’t think you deserve to be raped because rape is a terrible thing that NO ONE FUCKING DESERVES. The sooner you get that through your head and the sooner you realize that the whole “yeah, but THOSE people deserved it” thought process is the same exact bullshit rape apologists and MRAs use against women who dare to go somewhere alone/wear a short skirt/wear a lowcut top/flirt with a guy they just met, which is exactly why it’s so damn harmful and insidious because it can be used to justify the rape of ANYONE (see also: Mrs. Sandusky and the way she talked about her husband’s victims), the better.
Rape is not ok. Ever. Period. This is non-negotiable. I really don’t get why you keep posting “yeah, but for SOME people” like somehow it’s going to make us all go “oh, well, that’s ok”. It isn’t. Either re-examine your worldview or stop whining about how mean we all are for telling you how fucking terrible it is.
Argenti Aertheri
12 years ago
“Karma would be wonderful!”
Particularly the part where you’ll get yours for wishing rape on others…there’s this catch-22 about declaring someone evil enough to deserve Bad Things — what makes you special enough to make that call? And what prevents you from ending up on the Bad Things list? Because you say just certain types of criminals, but how many of the trolls here say all woman? Nobody gets to declare who deserves Bad Things (you’re welcome to hate whomever you want, but that doesn’t give you liberty to wish Bad Things upon them).
Y’all are right; let’s just have fun in this thread. I went to find kitties on Buzzfeed but first story was about Anderson Cooper officially coming out. You go, bud! YAY for him.
Zek is a liar. No one threatened him or TS here. Disagreeing with is not threatening.
We got a new kitty Friday night. She’s still adjusting from the shelter and being in foster (she’s 14), but she’s coming around. We’re waiting a bit longer before introducing her to the Three Stooges.
No, it’s EVIL men who deserve to be raped, you know, the guys who have caused pain and suffering to others.
So, what makes a person EVIL? (Everyone causes some pain and suffering to others at some point.) Are certain people intrinsically EVIL, or do they become so through their acts? Is a person’s EVIL status ever reversible? If a person is EVIL and deserving of rape, and then they get raped–are things fair now, or do they deserve to be raped again indefinitely because they’re still EVIL?
Does EVILness have a magnitude? Can one person be more EVIL than another? Should we reflect this in our administration of rape–should one person be raped several times and another only once, or should one person be designated for especially violent rape? How can we ensure this happens if we leave the rape administration up to random chance?
I don’t expect Ruby to answer these questions, of course, but I do wish she’d answer the question of how she avoids thinking about them.
ostara321
12 years ago
I can’t stop laughing at the fact that NWO will say this:
So if somethings fuck up, you broke it so you fix it.
after saying this:
Men’s voices have been systematically silenced in every political, educational and media venue for generations.
before which, he said this:
Take my damned vote, I’ve never voted anyway.
I’m not a fan of engaging in the whole “don’t vote, don’t complain” schtick, but honestly, I think it’s pretty hilarious that he’ll piss and moan about not having a voice whilst ignoring a chance to exercise one and finally declaring that someone else needs to speak for him. I can understand not voting, as I know sometimes feminists run into the problem where they feel no vote is a vote for someone they feel will speak for them, but a lot of feminists also understand that if no one is speaking for us now, that’s exactly why we’ve got to petition the hell out of the leaders we have now because no one else is going to do it FOR us.
This is exactly why the MRM will very likely never be little more than a bunch of bitter dudes whining on the internet. Accepting the fact that causing change (of any kind) takes a lot of time and hard work seems to be totally out of the question for them. And it’s pretty damn telling too. Expecting a group of people they routinely shit on to lobby for their hate-filled “cause” speaks volumes about their privilege.
Accepting the fact that causing change (of any kind) takes a lot of time and hard work seems to be totally out of the question for them.
In particular, they seem to really not want to take any kind of action that isn’t attack or defense, but is just plain old work.
A lot of what feminists do isn’t direct attacks on misogyny, but support for other women–sheltering women fleeing abusive situations, providing women with healthcare and legal representation, educating young women. You don’t really get to say “oh YEAH take THAT woman-haters” after you help women access mammogram screening. (Well, you can, but it’s a little more abstract.) It’s also a whole lot more work than just throwing stones at the other side.
I have seen absolutely zero equivalent activism from MRAs.
A call to arms that needs to be preserved for posterity! Take notes Ruby.
@Cassandra
Multiple people have brought up the reality of who usually gets raped in prison to Ruby. As far as I can tell (since she refuses to engage those arguments), she either still stubbornly clings to the idea that only the Deserving(tm) get raped in prison, or she would give those others a conciliary handshake and a “Sucks to be you, but you understand that those others need to be punished, don’t you? What’s that, they were the ones who were raping you? Oh well… Look! A three-headed monkey!!”
I’m gonna keep talkin’ bout cats. Finally got the elusive Cat #2 to submit to brushing yesterday. His brother, fortunately the much hairier of the two, loooooooves brush time; but #2 most fervently Does Not Want. Until the day he learned that no one can resist the brushing charms of Step-Mommy Viscaria! Bf was 90% impressed and 10% jealous I managed to get his cat to passively accept something he usually gets in a big tizzy about.
The only mildly funny (in a laughing at obvious stupidity kind of way) part of the whole Ruby situation is that she caused it in the first place, by linking to another site related to a different subject (if I remember), and not thinking that we would scroll down to see her laughing it up about prison rape and call her out on it.
Or maybe i’m just giving her too much credit, because she seems surprised every time someone doesn’t agree with her.
On cats, and the brushing thereof:
Both of mine love being brushed, though they react differently to it. One tries to eat the brush and anything attached to it, while the other goes into Ecstasy Mode (the same reaction it gives to prolonged scratching) and just dribbles all over the place.
Cute kitty airplane!
Still talking about me? No, it’s EVIL men who deserve to be raped, you know, the guys who have caused pain and suffering to others. Yeah, I have no sympathy for them. Karma would be wonderful!
“It’s generally discouraged here, and if placed in a desire, rather than a “cast yourself in their shoes” question it gets expunged, and the person who says it gets yelled at (see Ruby, and prisons).”
Yeah that’s basically that David said, to which Zek replied with a long comment that basically sums to “well it happened to ToySoldier” and this “I have been burned before and having to defend my own victimization is not something I’m keen on doing again =/ ”
And a claim that the MRAs here and radicals. The reply is here if anyone’s curious.
Cats! The narcissist ex had a very elusive bengal, who he swore was not going to let me pet her. Amazing what a slice of pepperoni will do XD
Help, I think I just developed magical summoning powers, what do I do? :O
Still talking about me? No, it’s EVIL men who deserve to be raped, you know, the guys who have caused pain and suffering to others. Yeah, I have no sympathy for them. Karma would be wonderful!
Yes, because you still have the evil belief that people deserve to be raped.
So much so that you are still actively defending it. You are in the same camp as Meller, and NWO. The only difference is why you think people should be raped.
That means are not as good a person as you think (esp. because you think that committing fraud is deserving of rape, and don’t care that the man you said you would laugh heartily about learning had been raped is elderly, and a trifle frail).
That’s why I still talk about it. Because you still think it, and you pretend that we should ignore that.
Quite apart from all the other reasons why your view on prison rape is disgusting (nobody “deserves” to be raped, or to have things happen to them that were not part of their sentence in general), you are aware that not everyone who goes to jail has hurt people, right? And that the most vicious prisoners are the ones who are likely to end up doing the raping rather than being raped? It’s not like Theoretical Prison Rapist is going to pause before he rapes someone and go, “wait, you’re in for tax evasion, or drug possession, or petty theft? I guess I’ll just let you go and find someone else to rape, then”.
Ruby has the same problem as the woman I was arguing with on Huffpo: She bascially thinks that anyone who doesn’t want to be raped in prison should just never go to prison.
Of course we have governments who have promised private companies they will have 90 percent occupancy of prisons which leads to overcrowding, and understaffing (because the same perverse incentives in Healthcare then apply to prisons: they become a means to an end, i.e. making money, and lose the focus of their mission; providing a needed service to all).
But Ruby doesn’t care, because it pleases her to think of, “bad people” getting raped.
She’s a sadist at a remove. She gets her pleasure from the idea of people being tortured, and she doesn’t care whom it hurts, nor does it bother her if people who “don’t deserve it” get raped too. They are just collateral damage in her vengeance fantasies.
Zek conveniently can’t remember when, or under what name, he was abused here, or maybe it was on his own blog, but it was totally by manboobzers, and David should have banned them — wait, look over there, Toysoldier! I dunno, I looked at a few months’ worth of his blog, and it appears I am not the only person who finds it too boring to comment on.
NOW can we ban her? Seriously, she’s basically just all but asserted that she pretty much craves the attention. I still haven’t ruled out the possibility of her being an MRA fake feminist, but there seems to be too much commitment to it.
In any case, Ruby, I have no sympathy for you, because ruling out the possibility that you’re an MRA fake feminist, I think you’re a terrible person with some truly evil, hateful worldviews. And so much privilege shining out your ass, you think your bogus sense of “justice” can be instituted fairly. However; I still don’t think you deserve to be raped because rape is a terrible thing that NO ONE FUCKING DESERVES. The sooner you get that through your head and the sooner you realize that the whole “yeah, but THOSE people deserved it” thought process is the same exact bullshit rape apologists and MRAs use against women who dare to go somewhere alone/wear a short skirt/wear a lowcut top/flirt with a guy they just met, which is exactly why it’s so damn harmful and insidious because it can be used to justify the rape of ANYONE (see also: Mrs. Sandusky and the way she talked about her husband’s victims), the better.
Rape is not ok. Ever. Period. This is non-negotiable. I really don’t get why you keep posting “yeah, but for SOME people” like somehow it’s going to make us all go “oh, well, that’s ok”. It isn’t. Either re-examine your worldview or stop whining about how mean we all are for telling you how fucking terrible it is.
“Karma would be wonderful!”
Particularly the part where you’ll get yours for wishing rape on others…there’s this catch-22 about declaring someone evil enough to deserve Bad Things — what makes you special enough to make that call? And what prevents you from ending up on the Bad Things list? Because you say just certain types of criminals, but how many of the trolls here say all woman? Nobody gets to declare who deserves Bad Things (you’re welcome to hate whomever you want, but that doesn’t give you liberty to wish Bad Things upon them).
His name is also interesting (and perhaps telling), as a зек/zek was a person sent to the gulag for having unsound political views.
So it appears he has a penchant aggrandising his oppression.
Y’all are right; let’s just have fun in this thread. I went to find kitties on Buzzfeed but first story was about Anderson Cooper officially coming out. You go, bud! YAY for him.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/anderson-cooper-officially-comes-out-as-gay
Also via Buzzfeed; baby alpaca is sleepy:
Zek is a liar. No one threatened him or TS here. Disagreeing with is not threatening.
We got a new kitty Friday night. She’s still adjusting from the shelter and being in foster (she’s 14), but she’s coming around. We’re waiting a bit longer before introducing her to the Three Stooges.
Oh, good for you for adopting an older cat! I feel so bad for them; they don’t often find homes.
hellkell: I’d lay money, at odds, on that. I commented there, which I am sure will be dismissed/twisted, but I put the ball back in his court.
So, what makes a person EVIL? (Everyone causes some pain and suffering to others at some point.) Are certain people intrinsically EVIL, or do they become so through their acts? Is a person’s EVIL status ever reversible? If a person is EVIL and deserving of rape, and then they get raped–are things fair now, or do they deserve to be raped again indefinitely because they’re still EVIL?
Does EVILness have a magnitude? Can one person be more EVIL than another? Should we reflect this in our administration of rape–should one person be raped several times and another only once, or should one person be designated for especially violent rape? How can we ensure this happens if we leave the rape administration up to random chance?
I don’t expect Ruby to answer these questions, of course, but I do wish she’d answer the question of how she avoids thinking about them.
I can’t stop laughing at the fact that NWO will say this:
after saying this:
before which, he said this:
I’m not a fan of engaging in the whole “don’t vote, don’t complain” schtick, but honestly, I think it’s pretty hilarious that he’ll piss and moan about not having a voice whilst ignoring a chance to exercise one and finally declaring that someone else needs to speak for him. I can understand not voting, as I know sometimes feminists run into the problem where they feel no vote is a vote for someone they feel will speak for them, but a lot of feminists also understand that if no one is speaking for us now, that’s exactly why we’ve got to petition the hell out of the leaders we have now because no one else is going to do it FOR us.
This is exactly why the MRM will very likely never be little more than a bunch of bitter dudes whining on the internet. Accepting the fact that causing change (of any kind) takes a lot of time and hard work seems to be totally out of the question for them. And it’s pretty damn telling too. Expecting a group of people they routinely shit on to lobby for their hate-filled “cause” speaks volumes about their privilege.
In particular, they seem to really not want to take any kind of action that isn’t attack or defense, but is just plain old work.
A lot of what feminists do isn’t direct attacks on misogyny, but support for other women–sheltering women fleeing abusive situations, providing women with healthcare and legal representation, educating young women. You don’t really get to say “oh YEAH take THAT woman-haters” after you help women access mammogram screening. (Well, you can, but it’s a little more abstract.) It’s also a whole lot more work than just throwing stones at the other side.
I have seen absolutely zero equivalent activism from MRAs.
This reminds me of a joke I saw on Twitter the other day:
Q: How many MRAs does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: We’ll ask them if we can get a word in while they scream at women for making it dark.
Also, you may not have seen me post here before, but I read all the threads, and Ruby – you’re an abhorrent twit, just give up.
Less rape, more Maru!
http://youtu.be/TbiedguhyvM
A call to arms that needs to be preserved for posterity! Take notes Ruby.
@Cassandra
Multiple people have brought up the reality of who usually gets raped in prison to Ruby. As far as I can tell (since she refuses to engage those arguments), she either still stubbornly clings to the idea that only the Deserving(tm) get raped in prison, or she would give those others a conciliary handshake and a “Sucks to be you, but you understand that those others need to be punished, don’t you? What’s that, they were the ones who were raping you? Oh well… Look! A three-headed monkey!!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdhLQCYQ-nQ