Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, mgriff2k4 is angry that the picture to the right here showed up on his computer screen. Sorry, make that fucking angry. “Did this really just fucking pop up on my news feed?” he asks in the title of his post, adding in a comment: “sorry about the word “fucking” but im really pissed off about this.”
Why is he angry? Presumably, he assumes the statistic is untrue, and that it unfairly paints men as evil murderers.
Luckily, in this Age of the Internet it is trivially easy to find out whether statistics like this are true. It involves something called “Google.” mgriff2k4 did not bother to avail himself of this easy-to-use research tool.
But I did. In less than 5 minutes, I confirmed that this factoid is indeed true, at least according to the most recent figures on gender and homicide found on the Department of Justice’s web site, drawn from FBI data covering the years from 1976-2005. According to the FBI, 30% of women who are murdered are murdered by “intimates.” Roughly 20% are killed by husbands or ex-husbands; 10% by boyfriends or girlfriends. (In the overwhelming majority of cases the murderers are boyfriends, not girlfriends; men are ten times more likely to commit murder than women.)
While four times as many men are murdered than women, only 5% of murdered men are killed by “intimates.” Men kill women more than twice as often as women kill men. Women suffer far more serious injuries from domestic violence than men do; so it is not altogether unexpected that they are also far more likely to be murdered by intimates.
If you want to see what this means on a human level, I suggest you take a look at the excellent if depressing web site Domestic Violence Crime Watch, which links to stories in which men are the perpetrators, and in which men are the victims. There are far more of those in the former category than in the latter.
I should note that (as of this writing) one commenter in the thread also found his way to the DOJ site, and noted that men were more likely to be killed by strangers or acquaintances. But he didn’t bother to tell mkgriff2k4 that the sign in the picture was in fact accurate.
Its not even “mras” its only one dude posting and his poor lonely sockpuppet.
I looked at that site, and.. Is it actually real? o.O I mean, it reads like someone pretending to be an MRA, but it’s like.. someone taking the most obvious poe/piss-take possible and then adding.. more. Much more.
Word spinner, you’re welcome. 🙂
“How many times have you seen a woman instigate violence between two men”
Never. But I’ve seen plenty of macho idiots get into fights over women they consider to be their property.
Yeah, men commuting violence supposedly on women’s behalf, without the women in question actually asking them to, is NOT “female-initiated violence.”
That’s such abuser logic. “See what you made me do.”
I really want to know how women instigate violence between corporations. What the fuck is that?
I’d read an NWO guest post there. It would take hours parsing his rage, but I’d read it.
What even is violence between corporations? Them burning down each other’s buildings or what?
I saw a crime video recently on You Tube where I remarked about the comments being made. My comments were along the lines of what Pervocracy is pointing out here. This guy has an affair with his brother’s wife, and kills his brother AND HIS PARENTS.
The comments on the video are about her to an absurd degree. Not the usual assertion that a cheating woman is ten times more evil than a cheating man, but that she actually caused the homicide.
I was like wut? How do you MAKE a dude kill his parents? (tried italics instead of caps, hope that works)
I mean his parents.
How could that be anyone else’s fault? How does someone else get you to kill your own mother, shoot her in the face point blank.
I said- people, these men are not total helpless babies incapable of taking responsibility for their actions. I met a nice woman in the comment section for saying so, too 🙂
But Cliff, the woman instigated it by having a vagina, and possibly allowing one of the men to access it. This is the NWO theory of psychology, by which women automatically instigate men to violence just by walking around having vaginas. Which you can of course see through their see-through miniskirts, since he doesn’t understand the difference between “vagina” and “vulva”.
@ katz
A hostile takeover? It does have the word “hostile” in the term.
” “How many times have you seen a woman instigate violence between two men- or two corporations?”
“You guys really need to stop watching so much Investigation Discovery. It’s warping your perspective. Also, corporations? What the fuck are you even talking about?”
Because corporations are intrinsically male, being as they’re the only form of penis extension recognized by law. Doy.
How is that trolling going raoul?
THIS.
They should rename that station the Mean World Syndrome Channel. Spoilers, MRAs: they make shows about love-triangle murders because they are sensational and unusual, making them interesting to the viewers who have already been overexposed to more common tragedies.
Maybe anti-manboobz is a time traveler from from a dystopian future, and he doesn’t realize the woman-instigated wars between the ruling corporate city-states haven’t started yet. Or he’s trying to warn us.
@Cassandra,
Actually, NWO believes that women walking around having vaginas is, in and of itself, an act of violence against men; thus, men are perfectly justified when they respond in kind with, you know, actual violence. In fact, men who are violent towards women are just defending themselves against the relentless vaginal onslaught. Also, 12 year olds in see-through miniskirts.
“Because corporations are intrinsically male, being as they’re the only form of penis extension recognized by law.”
o.O? O RLY? Then wtf is up with all that spam? (And since when…wtf does “penis extension recognized by law” even mean?)
Could you stick to derailing with funny cats? Your avatar is already going that direction anyways, and it’d be a lot funnier…
I think we can see the regard t’which human rights are held around these parts. Antimanboobz, if you’re reading this, you’re never going to break through the tiny-vaginaed minds of the Man Boobz Borg. While I admire your fortitude, I suggest that your time would be better spent at Reddit Men’s Rights, fighting the good fight. A Voice for Men. Omega Virgin Revolt. Somewhere you can make a difference in the real world.
Good luck.
Murder is bad, regardless of who is murdering who. But if we have reason to believe that certain people are murdering other people because of how they look or what sort of relationship they have with those people, chances are, finding the vectors that lead to that very common situation is an important way to make everyone aware of the danger signs and offer solutions or options for getting out.
There are certain kinds of murder that you can’t always control.
Like some person jumping out of the bushes with a knife and stabbing you to death. There are points when you can’t control- you do your best to fight being killed, but in the end, you can’t (yes, even if you have your precious concealed carry). And that scares the shit out of people who have privilege, because they don’t spend large quantities of the day wondering if some random person, or person that they are supposed to care about might kill them.
But if people realize that, hey, beating up your spouse or your children is NOT NORMAL, and in fact, is COMPLETELY FUCKED UP, it can be easier to catch on an escalating abuse situation before it gets to its murderous conclusion.
I remember watching some evening journalism show once about this family who had two children and they took in a young au-pair from France or something to help out with childcare. Apparently the man got it into his head that he “had” to kill his wife, chop her body up into at least 12 pieces, and then rape/subject the au-pair to sexual torture so he could replace his wife with a “younger model.”
Apparently, a couple of weeks ago, a man who has wrangled custody of his two daughters from his estranged wife decided to slit the throats of his elementary school and preschool aged daughters so that the wife couldn’t “get them.” Then he went over to where his ex wife was living and broke in, beat the shit out of her and slit her throat too for having the audacity to leave him.
These are situations in which people with privilege believe that people with less privilege do not “deserve” to be ALIVE, because they have extreme sexist beliefs- with horrible results for everyone.
A lot of this man’s beliefs about his wife (and women in general) being basically property and less than human were instrumental in his eventual crime. Strongly held sexist beliefs (as well as racist, cisist, etc) are some of the MAIN reasons why people feel ENTITLED to hurt or kill other people- it dehumanizes people in said group and makes it easier for people with privilege to ignore and engage in abusive or even murderous behavior.
And if you doubt that dealing with this shit is good for men too, just imagine all of the men whose shitty abusive behavior will be caught BEFORE he murders someone and gets sent to prison for his ENTIRE LIFE because of it. Extreme sexist beliefs do no good to anyone- and it doesn’t matter if he “wins” by getting final revenge on his wife/kids through murdering them. He’s still going to “lose” because everyone’s going to look at him and call him a monster, yet no one was willing to step in back when he as “just” being abusive.
Our current way of doing things KILLS WOMEN, but it also HURTS MEN.
Why shouldn’t we work to stop this shit if it could make everyone happier and safer?
I just started a new job and I already heard in the break room an older man say that white men were the new minorities or whatever. I shook my head so hard. I really wanted to say something, but I just got this job and it’s incredibly unprofessional to engage in that type of conversation. Also I would’ve gotten heated. No idea how to handle that if he says something like that again. WTF dude, what are you thinking? Oh right, you’re thinking with your goddamn privilege.
From the comments on Reddit, I’m guessing that a lot of those guys had trouble in math class, and also with reading comprehension.
Oh, Michael Varpole, are you for real?
You realize that I can see the IPs of everyone who posts comments here, right?
For example, I can see that the comment allegedly from “Torvus Butthorn” (which I just let through moderation) was actually posted by you.
Are you really so lonely that you have to conjure up sockpuppets to talk to you?
Or is this all some complicated and not-very-entertaining trollery on your part?
I thought that (in the limited minds of people who think sex is all about anatomy) a tiny vagina would be a good thing!
Usually the insult is “loose vagina,” so shouldn’t a tiny one be, like, extra sexy?
I think we can see the regard t’which human rights are held around these parts. cloudiah, if you’re reading this, you’re never going to break through the tiny-vaginaed minds of the Man Boobz Borg. While I admire your fortitude, I suggest that your time would be better spent at Derailing for Dummies, fighting the good fight. Kittenwar. Leekspin.com. Somewhere you can make a difference in the real world.
Good luck.
This is indeed the first time I’ve ever seen “your vagina is small” used as an insult. I am now very confused.
Well, in fairness, my mind does have a very tiny vagina. You’d hardly know it was there.