Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, mgriff2k4 is angry that the picture to the right here showed up on his computer screen. Sorry, make that fucking angry. “Did this really just fucking pop up on my news feed?” he asks in the title of his post, adding in a comment: “sorry about the word “fucking” but im really pissed off about this.”
Why is he angry? Presumably, he assumes the statistic is untrue, and that it unfairly paints men as evil murderers.
Luckily, in this Age of the Internet it is trivially easy to find out whether statistics like this are true. It involves something called “Google.” mgriff2k4 did not bother to avail himself of this easy-to-use research tool.
But I did. In less than 5 minutes, I confirmed that this factoid is indeed true, at least according to the most recent figures on gender and homicide found on the Department of Justice’s web site, drawn from FBI data covering the years from 1976-2005. According to the FBI, 30% of women who are murdered are murdered by “intimates.” Roughly 20% are killed by husbands or ex-husbands; 10% by boyfriends or girlfriends. (In the overwhelming majority of cases the murderers are boyfriends, not girlfriends; men are ten times more likely to commit murder than women.)
While four times as many men are murdered than women, only 5% of murdered men are killed by “intimates.” Men kill women more than twice as often as women kill men. Women suffer far more serious injuries from domestic violence than men do; so it is not altogether unexpected that they are also far more likely to be murdered by intimates.
If you want to see what this means on a human level, I suggest you take a look at the excellent if depressing web site Domestic Violence Crime Watch, which links to stories in which men are the perpetrators, and in which men are the victims. There are far more of those in the former category than in the latter.
I should note that (as of this writing) one commenter in the thread also found his way to the DOJ site, and noted that men were more likely to be killed by strangers or acquaintances. But he didn’t bother to tell mkgriff2k4 that the sign in the picture was in fact accurate.
@Cliff Pervocracy
“So the men are murderers and rapists, the women are writing love letters, and this is evidence of how women are horrible?”
No, this is evidence of women being hypergamous.
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@cloudiah
“So when I just walked to the break room to heat up my lunch, wearing black jeans, sneakers, and a crewneck shirt with 3/4-length sleeves (exposing my VERY sexy forearms), I left a trail of aroused men in my wake? Good to know.”
Ahhhh, the personal analogy. Does that translate into all women dressing and acting like that all the time? It does!!!! Good to know.
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@Nobinayamu
“Let me stop you right there, you bigoted fuckwit. There are a lot of issues -cultural, political, historical, and socioeconomic- that have a lot of negative effects on the lives of the urban poor. But for your fool-ass to claim that the “ghetto” is feminist is as bug-fuckingly ignorant as just about everything else you’ve ever written.”
Everybody knows it’s a feminist creation. Feminist never gave a flying damn about black women or men. Plenty of lip service but that’s about it. You over privileged white girls are far too busy crying about some slight to your feelings to even notice the wreckage you’ve left in your wake. I guess you’ll worry about the destruction after precisely 51.2% of fortune 500 companies have women CEOs. I sure they’ll love you even more in the ghetto’s then.
And here I though my ratty ass tshirt and shorts combo were to beat the heat. I’m surprised MrB has managed not to ravish me – that’s what my clothes are supposed to make him want, in NWO world?
My ex works for a prisoners’ support charity that mainly involves writing to prisoners who for various reasons don’t get any letters other than official ones – they might not have any family, or they might have been disowned because of what they did. Not too surprisingly, a reasonably high proportion of male prisoners jump to somewhat over-optimistic conclusions when a woman writes to or visits them, and she has to spend a fair amount of time politely but firmly establishing boundaries.
But I daresay in NWO’s universe it’s her fault for writing to them in the first place.
@KathleenB
“NWO: Viking was what Norsemen (and women, some warrior graves in England have proved to hold female skeletons) did. It’s a verb – when one went a’viking, one was out raiding.”
Raping and pillaging was standard fair. Unless you believe the men gave a polite bow and the women retuned with a chaste curtsy?
@KathleenB
“And here I though my ratty ass tshirt and shorts combo were to beat the heat. I’m surprised MrB has managed not to ravish me – that’s what my clothes are supposed to make him want, in NWO world?”
I never murdered or raped anyone. That never happens either. After all, I’ve got a personal analogy. Personal analogies prove so much. Don’t they? Hell, by personal analogies alone the world seems like rainbows and butterflies and unicorns in manboobzville.
Let’s wrap it up here folks, the worlds in good hands. We got personal analogies.
NWO, are you really claiming there’s no rape in Christian or Amish or fundamentalist societies?
You may have picked the wrong day to quit huffing glue, dude.
A friend and I had a discussion about this a few years ago, and we ended up looking at a couple of inmate “pen pal” sites on the Internet. Here is what surprised me: the profiles of those murderers and rapists are EXCEPTIONALLY well-written. They are eloquent, thoughtful, moving. Those jailhouse lawyers who do appellate briefs for inmates must also be writing those dating profiles, and boy do they earn those cigarettes, or whatever it is they usually work for. You have to take those profiles and view them against certain well-known cultural tropes, including the one that a violent man is just a frightened little boy who needs acceptance and love — i.e. a patient woman to provide him with the right amount of affection and understanding that will help him become a better man. The profiles I’ve looked at very subtly exploit that trope, suggesting that what their authors are looking for is redemption through meaningful companionship. These profiles are amazingly strong examples of positive self-presentation, especially compared to the semi-illiterate, incoherent, and jaw-droppingly stupid stuff you see on regular dating sites. And while most women will not discount the fact that if someone is incarcerated in Florence ADX, he’s probably done something really, really bad (nice profile notwithstanding), I can understand why some women find these men appealing in correspondence and the highly controlled environment of prison-house meetings.
The irony here is that if there did not exist women who for whatever reason are interested in relationships with violent criminals, Slavey would just be complaining about how harsh and unforgiving women are as proven by the fact that no woman will give these guys a second chance. Doesn’t matter what women do, really, he can find a way to use it to “prove” that we’re evil and responsible for everything negative.
There were men that sent love letters, marriage proposals, and cash gifts to Casey Anthony during her trial. This is not a gender thing. We just hear more about women sending love letters to male criminals, because there are more male criminals in the news.
The only answer to NWO’s relentless awfulness…real life Nyan cats!
(Seriously, it’s not like his being awful is a surprise. Has he ever been anything else? I’ve yet to see him demonstrate a single positive quality.)
@CassandraSays
“Doesn’t matter what women do, really, he can find a way to use it to “prove” that we’re evil and responsible for everything negative.”
I place the blame where it belongs.
As of 2005 eight out of 10 public school teachers (82 percent) are female. This is up from 74 percent in 1996, 71 percent in 1990 and 69 percent in 1986.
It’s no doubt higher by now. Boy’s are treated like fifth rate scum in school, propaganda posters all over telling them they suck and girls are great. Girls get every damned perk imaginable while boys get squat.
If boys are failing miserably in school these days, each year is worse than the previous, and it’s gotta be a good 85% women by now. All the ciriculum was changed as per womens request. The teaching style was changed into group think as women demanded. If girls don’t wanna play a sport that sport is cut for boys as well, Title IX to the rescue. Everything is geared to promote girls, girls, girls.
You tell me? Whose fault is this? Is it still men?
My ex struck up several very close rapports with some of the men she wrote to (some of whom were indeed highly articulate, witty and engaging), but was very careful not to supply any identifiable personal information that would enable them to track her down once they got out – their letters were sent via the prison visiting charity. And if it wasn’t for that level of security, she wouldn’t do it in the first place.
Dang, the only way men can manipulate women sexually is by rape? Wait a second…
FTFY
As of 2005 eight out of 10 public school teachers (82 percent) are female. This is up from 74 percent in 1996, 71 percent in 1990 and 69 percent in 1986.
Unlike the early 1800s, when it was closer to 95 percent of public school teachers.
LOL, he’s actually expecting me to take him seriously and engage with him? You’d think he’d have learned better than that by now.
But NWO, you just said that women always dress to get sex out of men. You don’t seem interested in providing any proof of this, so I’m offering a counter point. I know lots of women who dress lots of ways, and very few of them dress the way they do to get male attention. So, you know, you’re entire premise is fucking wrong and you’re full of shit. Have a nice day!
Oh, gods, you’re should be your. I haz a tired.
And also, NWO, I was correcting your grammar. Viking = verb, not noun. I wasn’t excusing the Norse actions in England or making factual claims about what they did, except that there were women a’viking, too. Reading comprehension!
Owly’s goalpost shifting is almost impressive.
Owly: All women always dress/act in ways to attract men.
Rest of us: [provide examples where that isn’t the case, refuting his premise that all women always do this]
Owly: That doesn’t prove that some women don’t dress/act to attract men!
NWO, we already know you’re KKK-level racist and think “feminist ghetto” means “literally all black people.” That’s not even interesting anymore.
I just want to know where you came up with “70% = 100% = 100 out of 200.”
Fuckwit. “Do me this favour and I’ll have consent to have sex with you” IS NOT EQUIVALENT to “Do what I say or I’ll force (painful, humiliating) sex on you.” A bribe is not an equivalent crime to assault.
This is an example of a fairly complicated psychological phenomenon, which has zero to do with gender equality or sexual politics.
And in those years, salaries and benefits for teachers have been clawed back how much, while class sizes have increased? I blame the fascists taking over government. And men are conditioned away from jobs dominated by women because of feminism? Nope.
You know what? Fuck it. I’ve decided NWO is one of those people who like to poke the hornet’s nest just to see what happens. He probably believes about 10% of the shit he writes, the rest is just stirring shit up. (There’s a word for that kind of people… Rhymes with prole?)
Unfortunately, I suspect the part that he believes is that 12 year old girls are hot for him.
That’s just precious. It may shock you to hear this Owly, possibly because you think POC are unexposed to computers in the ghettoes that they all live in, but not all the posters here are white.
And how you got this:
from those stats remains a modern miracle. IOW citation fucking needed.
Because murderers and rapists, in jail, are the clear top dogs in modern society?
Just wanted to point out that, to the best of my knowledge, in every single US jurisdiction those that murder someone by hiring another can be charged as a principle in a criminal case for murder.
Also, I know it’s NWO (or was it Meller this time?), but that thing about people having to pay large amounts of cash for services being a communist action still cracked me up.
@Unimaginative
“And in those years, salaries and benefits for teachers have been clawed back how much, while class sizes have increased? I blame the fascists taking over government. And men are conditioned away from jobs dominated by women because of feminism? Nope.”
For public schools, the number of pupils per teacher—that is, the pupil/teacher ratio—declined from 22.3 in 1970 to 17.9 in 1985. After 1985, the public school pupil/teacher ratio continued to decline, reaching 17.2 in 1989. After a period of relative stability during the late 1980s through the mid-1990s, the ratio declined from 17.3 in 1995 to 16.0 in 2000. Decreases have continued since then, and the public school pupil/teacher ratio was 15.3 in 2008.
The average salary for public school teachers in 2009–10 was $55,350, about 3 percent higher than in 1990–91, after adjustment for inflation.
Average wage in 2010, $41,673.83
So since salaries and bennies have gone up well above the average and class sizes have gone down, what’s the excuse? Apparently, even though we’re always told that more women in any field adds diversity and it’ll be way better than the old boys club, that really isn’t the case at all.
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All that aside, womens main gripe seems to be they’ve been so oppressed throughout history. Ya know, not being able to work outside the home and men doing all the outside jobs. I’ll tell ya what. For the next 5000 years women can oppress men. Men will stay at home and do all the domestic chores, cook, clean, childcare. Women can do everything else. Just think of all the jobs you’ll have access to. No job’s will be dominated by men because men won’t work outside the home. From the glory jobs of astronaut to the not so glory jobs of sewer worker. Oppress us. PLEASE!!!
Prevailing consensus of manboobz.
#1) Men and women have identical sexualities totally unrelated to reproduction.
#2) Women still considered perfect and can do no wrong.
#3) Some people don’t believe points 1 or 2. Solution; More feminism.