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“Hatred and anger are power,” and other thoughts on women and gaming from Spearheaders

Evil incarnate

Over on The Spearhead, W.F. Price celebrates the harassment directed at Anita Sarkeesian’s Tropes Against Women video project as a sign of a powerful new backlash against the evils of feminism, a backlash he’s proud to be a part of. Dudes being obnoxious to a woman on the internet: Men’s Rights at its finest.

Oh, sure, Price acknowledges, some of the attacks on her were “juvenile” – and thus not as effective as they might otherwise have been — and the controversy did enable Sarkeesian to raise more than $130,000 for her project, but Price even sees this as a victory of sorts:

As for Sarkeesian’s success, we should be happy about it, because I can’t think of a more worthless way to spend over a hundred thousand dollars than in finger-wagging over video games. For one thing, it’s sure to piss even more guys off, and the game industry is very competitive, so her documentary (now expanded to 12 parts!) will likely have zero effect on production and consumption of this form of entertainment. The feminists are simply pissing all the money away, and that’s fine, because this time they’re paying for it themselves.

No question about it: those grapes were definitely sour.

Naturally, the Spearhead regulars were overjoyed by these new signs of, er, progress. Here are some highlights from the discussion that followed; lest I be accused once again of cherry-picking outliers, each and every one of the comments I quote below got literally dozens of net upvotes. This is what these guys really think.

Mojo offers a sort of backlash manifesto:

Feminists will never understand that it is -they- who are the oppressors. They cling to their delusion that they are the ‘underdog’ against the system, even as they control the system.

Revolution requires an enemy class to attack … this is seen as justified when the enemy class controls the system. But feminism is perpetual revolution. So what happens when they gain control over the system? They continue to attack the enemy class, i.e. men, thinking they are striking the next blow against the patriarchy, when what they are doing is more like a pogrom.

Yep, he went there.

Now -they- are the system, they are able and more than willing to intimidate, humiliate, expropriate. It will get indefinitely worse if they have their way. Liberal feminism leads -necessarily- to radical feminism.

Still, we don’t need feminists to ‘understand’ that they are the persecutors (I imagine some of them know this full well and are just misandrist sadists, little Eichmanns). It doesn’t matter what they think or know or understand. What matters is what -we- think, know and understand, and how we are going to act on it.

So … like the swivel-eyed feminist lunatics progressing from attempted assassinations to laying the foundations for institutional and legal abuse … I ask you – what are we going to DO with this knowledge and awareness beyond changing online discourse? …

Thinking like a leftist, though: why not attach ourselves to the GOP in order to subvert its gender politics and radicalize it in the MRA direction? That kind of approach has worked wonders for leftists and their infiltrations into public institutions …

Huh. Reactionary anti-feminists attaching themselves to the Republican Party? No one’s ever thought of that before.

Keyster offers some equally, er, innovative thinking:

Feminism has failed because women as a group adopted the notion of “equality” with men, while stubbornly clinging to their sexual/reproductive power over men. Had feminism truly helped women “realize their greatness”, there’d be far more great women. Instead there’s just more feminists. It’s run it’s course over 3 generations and it’s out of time to prove itself righteous.

The original “male chauvanist pigs” of the early 70′s, were right all along. Women are biologically and chemically ill-equipped to be men. If the Creator had meant women to be more like men, he wouldn’t have given them the ability to bring forth life from their bodies.

Ryu not only embraces the backlash, but seems perfectly fine with the notion that the Men’s Rights movement is a hate movement:

Good. Hatred and anger are power. Whenever you hear someone say “stop the hate”, it is a call to throw down your greatest weapons.

Young Guy purports to speak for all young guys (manginas presumably excepted):

If feminists think men, especially young men, are angry, they don’t know the half of it. As a 26 year-old male, I have seen this society bend over backwards to accommodate women all the time.

The school curriculums are geared toward female success. Schools have countless women’s programs. Female teachers can be as hateful as they want towards male students without facing consequences. People cheer when girls succeed in school, but jeer when boys succeed in school. Even though females have every advantage in the education system, they somehow still have the audacity to complain. They take fluff majors but don’t realize anyone with less than half a brain could pass classes in the humanities and social sciences.

What makes so many MRAs such proud yahoos?.

Oh, and just look at the workplace. Sexual harassment laws give women freedom to dress slutty and still have the nerve to complain when men sneak a peek. If you are a man who has a female co-worker, you have to walk on eggshells everyday or else you can get fired because the twat in the other room got her panties in a bunch over something minor you said. You can be a man who has busted his ass everyday to succeed in your chosen profession, only to see it mean nothing because some woman who was nothing more than an affirmative action hire. If this isn’t bad enough, you get these useless women who are subpar, yet they still never shut up about breaking through the mythical glass-ceiling that they didn’t break and didn’t exist in the first place.

Working men, forever cursed by subpar women.

Also, I have really had enough of women dragging this country down with their dead-weight. Female soldiers, police officers, and firefighters are liabilities. No, all you ladies in these jobs, you aren’t heroes. I am going to go insane if I hear one more female soldier, police officer, or firefighter cry about not getting the respect she thinks she deserves. She doesn’t get respect because she doesn’t deserve respect. The military, law enforcement, and firefighters would be A LOT better off if women stopped lowering the bar to astronomical proportions.

“Lowering the bar to astronomical proportions?” Young Guy here has clearly not yet mastered the fine art of metaphor.

He blabs on a bit longer before wrapping up with:

The backlash is not only real, but it is well-deserved. Apologies won’t erase the damage which has been done. Acting like what happened because of feminism either didn’t happen or was minor is a slap in the face. Saying women have suffered from feminism just as much as men is like spitting in the faces of all the men who have suffered ten lifetimes of pain because of feminism.

Not one, not two, not five, but ten lifetimes of pain? MRAs really are the world’s greatest drama kings.

Andrew S., meanwhile, seems a little confused as to what feminists would like to see happening in the video game industry:

It will be interesting to see if feminists can ruin the gaming industry like they ruin pretty much everything else. There is a lot of money being made off “gamers,” and even guys like me who play the occasional game but aren’t hardcore contribute a lot of money to the industry.

I doubt there are a lot of young guys and men out there who are going to want to play games that involve a bunch of screaming feminists, and where the object of the game is to destroy the “evil patriarchy.” The truth is guys who play games want their female characters to be either hot, large breasted, ass kicking types, or sexy non-feminist types that you save. If the gaming industry changes this dynamic to much due to Feminist/liberal pressure they will destroy a cash cow. And feminism will have yet another “victory.”

 

Unrestricted and uncriticized access to giant tittied video game ladies: a sacred men’s right!

Kevin evidently speaks for many when he says he wants video games to remain a boys club:

Video games are pretty much the only place that feminism can’t invade unless the principle consumers of them want it. You don’t have to play with girls, or listen to girls, or do other pansy shit. You probably can’t leave a football team and join a different one that has no women, you sure as hell can do that online. Don’t like all the teamwork talk? Play by yourself.

Feminists don’t like video games because; they can’t make them, they can’t force you to buy them or play them even if they did, they couldn’t ruin the experience for you unless you wanted them to.

You can do anything feminists don’t want you to do, and best of all you’re rewarded for it.

Anonymous Age 70 doesn’t even play video games, but he was pleased to learn that you can shoot ladies in them:

Speaking of video games, I am reminded of my son 8 or 10 years ago. I visited him, and he had some kind of shoot-em-up video game. He was partnered with a dearie, and the instant the game started, he always put a bullet in the middle of her forehead. Then, he’d laugh as if it were the funniest thing ever.

I told him he was a sick man, but I was also laughing as if it were the funniest thing ever.

Seriously, he told me he performed better with her dead than needing to be protected.

A great analogy for marriage 2.0, yes?

Women, can’t live them, can’t shoot them in the head. Except in video games!

Criticizing video games is misandry!

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indifferentsky
8 years ago

“ACLAF, how can I improve my chances with women?”

Step one, step awayyyy from the MRA dude giving advice.

Step B. “but women are not a monolith”

You might not like that answer, but it’s the correct one.
It’s likely that advice given for how to win friends and influence people GENERALLY would apply just fine and dandy.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Also, proof that feminists really are taking over the job market with our evil plans to provide ladies with easy work that they can do while wearing silky underthings! I was browsing a job site and found the following listing – Senior Associate Brand Manager, Meow Mix. Coincidence? I think not. Just trying to figure out how guns would factor into it.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
8 years ago

Yet your repeated denials, and accusations of generalizing have demonstrated once again that not only is your average feminist entirely unrealistic and unwilling to accept anything about human nature, it also proves that you’re willfully, and deliberately agents who oppose human happiness, on human terms. A more primitive descriptor would be, evil.

Yes, asserting that not all women like the same things and that there are many variables in when it comes to attraction and romantic interactions among humans is “evil”.

Kyrie
Kyrie
8 years ago

SPOILERS! kind of.

pillowhell: duh! Sherlock was saved by the doctor, who is very good at catching people who jump from building. Or possibly Sherlock was actually replaced by a robot with tiny people inside.

If your man, who’s never had broad shoulders suddenly started developing them, would you be angry, would you be pleased, or would you be indifferent?

Surprised. Freaked out. I would ask him if he was bitten by radioactive things lately, or maybe if he participated in weird scientifically study with former nazis.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

“Now sweetie, I don’t want you to take this as a criticism, but it is kind of unusual for someone’s skeleton to expand when they’re in their 40s. Are you OK?”

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
8 years ago

I say Sherlock confronted gravity itself in a tense battle of wits.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

Should we try multiple re-derails to maximise the potential that this goes back on track? Because I thought of something!

Cliff mentioned aaaggeeesss ago about preferring games where you construct rather than destroy, which had me loading up Minecraft again for the first time in a while. I’ve so far loaded up a fresh, new world ready to construct my empire! Muahahaha.

Oh, and I’m using an awesome modpack called the Technic Pack, it adds lots of industrial-style things and automated processes. In a few hours work, I should have a bunch of electric furnaces powered by a battery of solar panels on the roof, and be able to produce things like jetpacks. Eventually, possibly a nuclear reactor. 😀

On food.. Last night my mother did an old classic: sausages and mash, then we had some strawberries left over so I cut those up and threw in some cream for dessert. No idea about tonight, but it’s ridiculously hot so probably not a whole lot. :O I tend to lose my appetite when i’m overheated.

ACLAF
ACLAF
8 years ago

“What’s the problem? Whenever someone asks me for advice, I tell them “reconfigure your skeleton”.”

Some people have done exactly that, for exactly the reason I listed.

~29 minutes, 30 seconds.

indifferentsky
8 years ago

So ACLAF, fill me in, when did women not work?
I don’t remember there being a slew of male nurses and school teachers, librarians, secretaries, etc.

Let me know I need a history lesson.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
8 years ago

And yet somehow short men are still managing to reproduce. *

*Note: My father is about 5′ 5″. In fact there are lots of short men in my family. The vast majority of them have children.

blitzgal
8 years ago

Bored now.

Ditto. Yet another MRA douche makes the entire thread all. about. him. Here’s a newsflash, duck boy: you aren’t a special snowflake. Nothing you’ve said in this thread is any different than what’s been said by the rest of your brethren who come over here to wave their hands and screech, “Mommy, mommy, LOOK AT ME!”

indifferentsky
8 years ago

Short men are creepy.

(troll comment.)

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
8 years ago

@ ACLAUGH – So you seriously. genuinely advise this as a course of action? Wow. I thought that it was just a stupid rhetorical flourish, but that’s fucked up.

pillowinhell
8 years ago

I’d say Sherlocks massive ego cushioned his fall.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
8 years ago

So ACLAF, fill me in, when did women not work?

I’m pretty sure no women worked outside of the home before 1970. Except all the women who did.

But they’re not important.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

…wait, did Mr. “Aboriginal people have it easier than me” call feminism evil? ALL THE IRONY.

“At least I’m not a time-travelling, shape-shifting robot operated by miniaturized cross people, which I have got to admit, I didn’t see coming.”…you aren’t? (Also all the irony…)

And argumentum ad vimeo is no better than argumentum ad youtube btw.

ACLAF
ACLAF
8 years ago

“@ ACLAUGH – So you seriously. genuinely advise this as a course of action? Wow. I thought that it was just a stupid rhetorical flourish, but that’s fucked up.”

Serious question? No, I don’t generally advise that people have extremely painful surgery to make themselves more attractive to the opposite sex. Given that this is a hypothetical situation, involving purely hypothetical actors, I was hoping that it needn’t be taken quite so literally.

Oh, and for shoulders? Yeah, if men exercise their shoulders, they can get pretty damned big.

And concerning women working.. Well, actually, my wife wants to WORK, on a farm that we own. It’s domestic, but it’s also WORK. Imagine that, women, helping to WORK on the farm, and still managing to be stay-at-home-mothers. Wow…

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Who the fuck is AFLAC, the Canadian Brandon?

Everything you think you know about women is wrong. End of fucking story.

AFLAC, I certainly wasn’t talking about straw MRAS, learn to read. I sincerely hope that surgery is to remove your head from your ass.

ACLAF
ACLAF
8 years ago

@Argenti Aertheri Concerning aboriginals, it’s a matter of law. I don’t like unequal treatment under the law. Sue me.

And I don’t need to convince you that feminists drafted Canada’s current gun laws, minus C-19. I believe it to be true. And if you don’t, I don’t care. It changes nothing.

“You might not like that answer, but it’s the correct one.
It’s likely that advice given for how to win friends and influence people GENERALLY would apply just fine and dandy.”

Un huh. And at the end of the discussion, one of us will have said nothing at all, and so avoided the question. One of us will have given some helpful information.

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

ACLAF:

How about throwing knives?”

Fair question. Throwing knives are a very situational weapon. You normally have to be standing to use one effectively, and it’s more or less, only as strong as you can throw it. Sure, on a good day, you could hit someone in something vital enough to stop an attack.

But I don’t think they’re a match for a firearm in disciplined hands.

More “GUNS ARE MAGIC BULLSHIT”.

You didn’t read my comment about knives/guns.

Throwing knives aren’t really offensive weapons. They are distracting weapons.

But, (please pay attention here), the minimum safe distance to be standing from someone who has a knife in hand… IS 27 FEET

Got that. 27 fucking feet. That’s if you are skilled with clearing the holster, and are carrying openly.

Concealed Carry (what you say you want) increases the distance to 35 feet. More than 10 metres.

Stop being an idiot. Listen to me. Why? Because I have more then 20 years of professional experience with this, and you (self-admitted) DON’T

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

ACLAF: Except of course for the trend among feminists to want to take that option OFF of the table.

Prove it. (or, in other words, citation needed).

And Simone de Beauvoire… not Canadian. Not American. French. French feminism is quite different to American feminism. Because French women have different problems. A lot of ’70s French Feminism was about having a child as a feminist act. (I really wish I still had the book from the early ’80s, written by a French expat at Oberlin. She was a cultural anthropologist and did a comparative study on several aspects of the cultures).

Tell me, then. Pickup artists. Why are they successful at what they do? If women are JUST SO UNIQUE that each and every single one likes an explicitly different thing, why do these guys pick up at all?

Who says they are? Oh!, Right, they do.

See, I have this CRAZY THEORY that they’ve figured out what most average women want in a man, and then OFFERING them that

Yep, that’s a theory. I’ll even agree with the way you phrased it.

If you’re all correct, and of course you are, then why does it work?

I’ll let you answer that:

just playing the odds, and they get women to sleep with them.

indifferentsky
8 years ago

“And concerning women working.. Well, actually, my wife wants to WORK, on a farm that we own. It’s domestic, but it’s also WORK. Imagine that, women, helping to WORK on the farm, and still managing to be stay-at-home-mothers. Wow…”

Yeah this TOTALLY answers my question and comments regarding your fem friend claiming feminists have forced her to work, Duuude, like totalllly!!!!!!

Oh wait, not it doesn’t at all.

I won.
You got beat by a girl.
I would call you short, but you’re married, so you’re obviously 6’1.

ACLAF
ACLAF
8 years ago

“Everything you think you know about women is wrong.”

Fine. It’s feminists I’m more concerned with anyway.

“You said you don’t hate women, just those uppity one’s who are feminists.

That’s gender policing.”

Feminists can be male, or female. I dislike the ideology in both genders. So, where can I find information on how this is gender policing?

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

ACLAF:

“Also, guns do not make the man. Why are you so fixated on them?”

Because I don’t want to be a victim? Because I want the responsibility for my own protection? Because I want to be allowed to ACT if some tragedy should unfold, rather than die?

More horseshit.

I don’t carry. I know more about guns than it seems you will ever take the time to learn (and you will blame feminists for it). I don’t carry.

Why? Because the risk of actual assault is low (and dude… you live in Ontario, Ca. I moved to New Jersey [just across the river from NYC] from East Palo Alto. I have a google alert for shootings in EPA. I get one every couple of weeks. I had a kid get murdered 100 metres from my house. I was home. I heard the shots).

I still don’t carry.

So the risk is low, the odds of you being attacked in a way which allows you to get at your weapon, is less (unless you have someone you know is gunning for you… again the RCMP and the OPP are your better bet). Because any incident in which the gun is justified, is one in which the other person has already initiated an attack which has deadly force (did you pay any attention to the paragraph about what to do if someone who really wants you dead is coming after you?)>

So I don’t carry. Because I know it’s not much good. Do I ever want to have a firearm handy? Sure. I’d also like a pony, but that’s not going to do much more than make me feel good; it’s not going to fix the problem.

I’m always armed; just not with a gun. I have mindset, and I’ve taken the time to work on the things like Situational awareness (for the record, the last five constables I saw were 4 Right, one Left, all had collapsible batons, some sort of pepper spray, no taser. 4 were wearing level 2 body armor, one was wearing level 1 (she was right-handed). I do recall, some weeks back, that one of the cops at JFK was wearing shorts, and had a .40 Glock. For some reason I don’t understand a number of NYPD officers have “sock-holsters, and .38 Specials. This is a skill you need if you intend to carry; and one that doesn’t take a special range to learn. Work on it).

I do carry a knife. I’ve also trained on how to use it, push come to shove† So learn that. Again, Canada’s laws on knives are generous. You can carry one, and they are more effective than guns in street confrontations. You can carry one that goes from your elbow to the tip of your fingers (when I was spending lots of time in Ottawa I looked into the laws). In the states having a knife is, basically grounds for an obnoxious cop to arrest you. Things aren’t the weapons carrying paradise you pretend Canada isn’t.

I would commend you read a lot of cases of people charged with a crime when they claim it was self-defense. Go read Marc MacYoung’s pages on the subject. The law on self-defense usually requires the threat be active. No shooting at (or slicing up) people who no longer pose a personal threat.

Will you bloody-well stop being so damned thick?

Please take your own advice.

You don’t really want a gun to protect yourself. You want it to make you feel manly. You keep saying how you weren’t allowed to be a man. How your wife asked you to be something you didn’t know how to do (i.e. be a man).

That’s crap. You are a man. What you want is to be some sort of Uber-man. A Platonic Ideal of Manliness™. It’s like the kid who wonders when suddenly they will feel grown up.

It’s not magic. We all have to grow into ourselves. You have decided you are stunted, and that feminism is the cause. That’s on you. Not on feminism.

†This, and much of my gun training began well before I joined the Army. I was 25 when I joined, and I’d grown up in some less than savory neighborhoods, and I knew/know some hella capable individuals. I was also small, and geeky looking, and had red hair, so I was memorable. I took judo and boxing, and learned how to spot trouble; as well as how to evaluate what trouble could not be ignored. I got hit some, without responding, because the situation wasn’t going to escalate. Push come to shove, I struck back. I don’t think anyone who got me to respond forgot it. None of them did it twice., but I digress.

indifferentsky
8 years ago

Men do this.
Women do that.

Gender policing.
Also:
Men SHOULD do this.
Women SHOULD do that.
Gender policing.

Women should not work.
Gender policing.

Again, when did women NOT work?
Waiting…

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“Concerning aboriginals, it’s a matter of law. I don’t like unequal treatment under the law.”

Your laws do not apply to them because you fucking invaded their land and tried to genocide them completely out of existence, but sure, you keep on complaining about how unfair it is that they get to apply their our laws, that’ll really help your “feminism is evil” cause.

Shorter version — they aren’t the same fucking laws.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
8 years ago

And concerning women working.. Well, actually, my wife wants to WORK, on a farm that we own. It’s domestic, but it’s also WORK. Imagine that, women, helping to WORK on the farm, and still managing to be stay-at-home-mothers. Wow…

Look, dumb ass, this thing that you’re doing where you pretend that we have some problem with your wife being a stay at home wife and mother, or working on a farm, or whatever the fuck it is she wants to do? It’s tiresome and as stupid as everything else you’ve been spouting on this thread.

Nobody here has claimed that women should be forced to work outside the home, regardless of how many times you quote Simone de Beauvoir. And the only people who insist that women in the past “didn’t have to work” are other dumb asses who have ignored and/or devalued all the domestic work that women have done for centuries.

ACLAF
ACLAF
8 years ago

Prove it. (or, in other words, citation needed).

*sigh* http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100150671/ann-romneys-stay-at-home-feminism-has-done-her-husband-a-big-political-favour/

http://www.scragged.com/articles/ann-romney-and-the-feminist-movement

According to feminists, Ann Romney, a SAHM never worked a day in her life. Lovely.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

*their own laws

I should maybe go to bed at some point…

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

AFLAC, everything you think you know about feminists is wrong. How does it feel to be fractally wrong?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I just realised something – GunTroll is Magdelyn’s ideal man, or at least he’s striving to be. Shame he’s already married, they’d be perfect for each other – he could diligently perform his pantomime of gender and she could worship him for it.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

/)_<

That entire Romney thing was about classism as much as gender, but feel free to keep overlooking that. (Nobinayamu, this is who else says women never worked — people who think nobility = all women, so classists)

Ithiliana
8 years ago

*Ceremonially offers TheCatFromOuterSpace one tuna-plated internet garnished with heavy cream*

**bows low in respect to Feline Genius**

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
8 years ago

Because no-one’s put it in these specific words yet:

The “No gun, no chance” is a false equivalence. A gun is a means to defend oneself. It is not the only such thing.

I’d feel a lot happier with a wooden stick of between two and six feet in length than a gun if someone was attacking me, for a multitude of reasons- the major point here being that if I had such a thing, I reckon I’d be in with a decent chance of avoiding a lot of the risks of life.

Loosen gun control, and my assailants may have guns. That makes everything go wrong for me.

(Context: UK, tight gun control.)

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
8 years ago

According to feminists, Ann Romney, a SAHM never worked a day in her life. Lovely.

No, dumb ass, not according to feminists. That statement was made by Hilary Rosen who is a political pundit. Hilary Rosen may indeed identify as a feminist but she doesn’t represent all of feminism. She certainly doesn’t represent me.

I don’t think Ann Romney has never “worked a day in her life.” I think that being a stay at home wife and mother is a lot of work. And I’m a feminist. Why doesn’t my opinion count?

indifferentsky
8 years ago

Oh wait, I want a shot at the “why do PUA’s techniques work?”

The same reason that advertising works.
Also you need to understand that some of the PUA tactics indicate that the ladies like more time with the gentleman before panties are drawn. One of their tactics is to move locations during one evening so that the other person feels like they have experienced more
things with that person.

PUA tactics like these are for a pump and dump, and they indicate that the female
likes more time with a person, so the goal is to play a psychological trick and cheat them out of that. Another fact I need to throw in is that PUA line of thinking does NOT indicate that women are all alike. They are clearly aimed at what they deem “alpha women”
because there are plenty of women to have sex with for a night when one goes out.
These tactics are to get the “hot one” and the hard to get one.

Advertisement agencies involve themselves in the most base of influence because
that works, but it works for a certain end, and that’s so people buy their products
whether they want or need them or not.

PUA advice “works” not at explaining women at all, or getting to know the alpha monolith at all. They advise on how NOT to get to know them and get what you want out of the transaction.

Someone falling for a sales tactic tells you nothing about them, so to assert that PUAs are instructing the gentlemen on anything meaningful about the ladies is false.

On a sidenote, the moving locations thing is really really bad for multiple reasons, one being safety. The levels of objectifying the person there are multiple. If there are aspects of PUA that work with the ladies’ psychologies’ that can also be a sign of the times and club culture, and they are not in positions to write an scientific papers just yet.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

MorkaisChosen: Better prepare yourself for ye olde “but, but, but tight gun control means good people can’t get guns but criminals still can!” argument.

*Returns to chasing a fly around the room*

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
8 years ago

Argenti, I think that as far as classism goes an argument can be made that Ann Romney has never worked to earn a living. Certainly the work that Ann Romney did as a stay at home wife and mother was probably a lot different than the work that my great grandmother did as the wife and stay at home mother of a share-croppier in Alabama during the Great Depression.

Apparently, it’s just fine for women to work as long as their work is: 1) domestically centered and 2) unpaid.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
8 years ago

Interesting. According to this http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/height-chart.shtml/ I’m just barely above average height, here in in Australia. But if I were to go to Canada I’d be a solid two inches above average. I’d be waist* deep in hot** Canadian women!

Seriously though: not all women want tall, broad-shouldered men. How do I know? I am a frikkin’ tall, broad shouldered man, and not all women want me. Or if they do, most of them are doing a damn good job of hiding it. By contrast, the most successful ladies man I ever knew was tall, yes, but skinny, hairy, looked like Frank Zappa got caught in a transporter accident with Sideshow Bob, and smelled like a tobacco brewery. C’est la vie.

* Actually a Canadian woman of average height would come up to my nose.
** By “hot” I mean “attractive”, rather than “high in temperature”, because of the Canadan weather.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

From a British point of view the idea that everyone being allowed to carry concealed guns makes people safer really does sound absurd. I don’t know quite how to communicate across the cultural divide just how wacky it does sound to us, and I’ve lived in the US for a long time.

indifferentsky
8 years ago

I don’t know what that chick said about Ms. Romney, but I do know that some people say “work” when they are discussing, pull in a pay check, in the secular world, outside the home, etc, and to pull that out of context is CHEATING.

Don’t cheat the context. I doubt the discussion was about performing laborious tasks, which we all do unless right now you are sitting in a dump filled to the ceiling with fast food wrappers and a dirty washroom.

It depends on what they were talking about. If this Romney woman was giving advice to women in the workplace, then it’s fair to bring it up.

If you want to KNOW if someone considers family work, “work” then ASK THEM instead of playing cheap context cheating games because you think it makes you clever.
Some people do actually think that’s a clever way to communicate, it gets on my fucking nerves. All sides do this.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Nobinayamu — yeah that’s what I had taken from what Hilary Rosen said — that Ann Romney has never worked for pay and thus does not understand the economic realities of working for pay. Sorry if I wasn’t clear, it’s way past my bedtime.

“Apparently, it’s just fine for women to work as long as their work is: 1) domestically centered and 2) unpaid.”

And feminism wants to change that (true) by forcing all women to work (false).

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
8 years ago

@ ACLAUGH – So you seriously. genuinely advise this as a course of action? Wow. I thought that it was just a stupid rhetorical flourish, but that’s fucked up.”

Serious question? No, I don’t generally advise that people have extremely painful surgery to make themselves more attractive to the opposite sex. Given that this is a hypothetical situation, involving purely hypothetical actors, I was hoping that it needn’t be taken quite so literally.

I wasn’t taking it literally, at first. Hence my mocking of it as something that doesn’t make sense if taken literally. Then you posted that video, implying that I should – or at least could – take it literally. Now you say I shouldn’t, and we’re back to square one.

Ithiliana
8 years ago

@Acronym Troll: So, because they’re opinions, they can’t be factual?

*HEADDESK*

Duh, dude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/factual

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/facts

A CLAIM or an INTERPRETATION (“feminists are [solely] responsible for Canada’s gun legislation”) needs to be supported with FACTS, i.e. evidence.

Editorials in popular media rarely provide sufficient evidence to persuade anybody who does not already agree with the assumptions, prejudices, and perspectives of editorial writer.

And I don’t know enough about Canada, but Jim Brady is not a feminist, as far as I know, though after he was shot in an assassination attempt (Reagan), he certainly became a major advocate for gun control.

You know, seconding the if you’re so fucking unhappy with feminist run Canada, why don’t you move to Texas (where I’ve lived for 19 years without ever needing a gun)? You and your wife would fit right in, I can guarantee it.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

indifferentsky — “this Romney woman” may become the next first lady of the US and neither she nor her husband has a damned clue what the lives of the non-rich are like…the idiocy is kind of astonishing. And he’s definitely got another round of Spot That Fallacy!! there —

*False attribution – an advocate appeals to an irrelevant, unqualified, unidentified, biased or fabricated source in support of an argument
**Fallacy of quoting out of context (contextomy) – refers to the selective excerpting of words from their original context in a way that distorts the source’s intended meaning.

AFLAC — you are sure you aren’t Swedish right? You’re really reminding me of the last PUA troll we had.

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

ACFLAC:
But then again, I don’t know dirtyhippiefeet’s age. They didn’t specify that particular fact.

And how old are you? Age isn’t really material, unless you are saying that she must be so old that no present understanding of the situation is possible.

And then you do this stupid shit: Dirtyhippiefeet may ALSO be an aboriginal person – i don’t know.

And… whut?

You might be a convicted person, or otherwise reasonably denied the permit you so desperately want. We don’t know. See how easy that is? And what bullshit.

You (I think it was) said that you had your biases confirmed. I’m not surprised, if the level of intellectual impervium on display here is the normal mode of operations.

It would take a couple of clue by fours to set the charges to open enough of your skull to let an argument in, much less to let a fact contrary to the little dramas and excuses you are keep in your head penetrate.

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

“Zombie apocalypse!”

Yeah I’d still go for blades, there’s the blood borne risk, sure, but you won’t run out of ammo.

No. No. Arm gets tired. What you want is friends. And shovels. And rebar. And land. Dig trenches, with scarp and counterscarp. At the bottom put spikes (see the above mentioned rebar). Make fougasse.

Burn the fuckers while they are spitted like a suckling pig.

Shoot the smaller groups, and take the larger ones with the semi-passive defenses.

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
8 years ago

ShadetheDruid: I have a feeling that would rapidly burn through my reserves of Care and cause me to flounce the thread.

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

Nanasha is right about knives. First thing to be aware of in knife fight, you are going to get cut.

Second thing is, not all knives are good for fighting.

Third thing about knife fights; they are far more likely to lead to jail time (issues of escalation, reasonable force, pursuit mindset, difficulty in realising the threat is abated).

Violence is a tricky thing, unless you are fond of bars where no one ever looks up from their drinks, or travel in circles where no one calls the police, better to have, “improvised”, or non-lethal weapons.

Because a knife, or a gun, shows a predisposition to lethal force, which will be considered when the decision to prosecute (or not) is made.

It’s a lot easier to plead “I was in fear of my life,” when you don’t have a hand-cannon, or a pigsticker, on your person.

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