Over on The Spearhead, W.F. Price celebrates the harassment directed at Anita Sarkeesian’s Tropes Against Women video project as a sign of a powerful new backlash against the evils of feminism, a backlash he’s proud to be a part of. Dudes being obnoxious to a woman on the internet: Men’s Rights at its finest.
Oh, sure, Price acknowledges, some of the attacks on her were “juvenile” – and thus not as effective as they might otherwise have been — and the controversy did enable Sarkeesian to raise more than $130,000 for her project, but Price even sees this as a victory of sorts:
As for Sarkeesian’s success, we should be happy about it, because I can’t think of a more worthless way to spend over a hundred thousand dollars than in finger-wagging over video games. For one thing, it’s sure to piss even more guys off, and the game industry is very competitive, so her documentary (now expanded to 12 parts!) will likely have zero effect on production and consumption of this form of entertainment. The feminists are simply pissing all the money away, and that’s fine, because this time they’re paying for it themselves.
No question about it: those grapes were definitely sour.
Naturally, the Spearhead regulars were overjoyed by these new signs of, er, progress. Here are some highlights from the discussion that followed; lest I be accused once again of cherry-picking outliers, each and every one of the comments I quote below got literally dozens of net upvotes. This is what these guys really think.
Mojo offers a sort of backlash manifesto:
Feminists will never understand that it is -they- who are the oppressors. They cling to their delusion that they are the ‘underdog’ against the system, even as they control the system.
Revolution requires an enemy class to attack … this is seen as justified when the enemy class controls the system. But feminism is perpetual revolution. So what happens when they gain control over the system? They continue to attack the enemy class, i.e. men, thinking they are striking the next blow against the patriarchy, when what they are doing is more like a pogrom.
Yep, he went there.
Now -they- are the system, they are able and more than willing to intimidate, humiliate, expropriate. It will get indefinitely worse if they have their way. Liberal feminism leads -necessarily- to radical feminism.
Still, we don’t need feminists to ‘understand’ that they are the persecutors (I imagine some of them know this full well and are just misandrist sadists, little Eichmanns). It doesn’t matter what they think or know or understand. What matters is what -we- think, know and understand, and how we are going to act on it.
So … like the swivel-eyed feminist lunatics progressing from attempted assassinations to laying the foundations for institutional and legal abuse … I ask you – what are we going to DO with this knowledge and awareness beyond changing online discourse? …
Thinking like a leftist, though: why not attach ourselves to the GOP in order to subvert its gender politics and radicalize it in the MRA direction? That kind of approach has worked wonders for leftists and their infiltrations into public institutions …
Huh. Reactionary anti-feminists attaching themselves to the Republican Party? No one’s ever thought of that before.
Keyster offers some equally, er, innovative thinking:
Feminism has failed because women as a group adopted the notion of “equality” with men, while stubbornly clinging to their sexual/reproductive power over men. Had feminism truly helped women “realize their greatness”, there’d be far more great women. Instead there’s just more feminists. It’s run it’s course over 3 generations and it’s out of time to prove itself righteous.
The original “male chauvanist pigs” of the early 70′s, were right all along. Women are biologically and chemically ill-equipped to be men. If the Creator had meant women to be more like men, he wouldn’t have given them the ability to bring forth life from their bodies.
Ryu not only embraces the backlash, but seems perfectly fine with the notion that the Men’s Rights movement is a hate movement:
Good. Hatred and anger are power. Whenever you hear someone say “stop the hate”, it is a call to throw down your greatest weapons.
Young Guy purports to speak for all young guys (manginas presumably excepted):
If feminists think men, especially young men, are angry, they don’t know the half of it. As a 26 year-old male, I have seen this society bend over backwards to accommodate women all the time.
The school curriculums are geared toward female success. Schools have countless women’s programs. Female teachers can be as hateful as they want towards male students without facing consequences. People cheer when girls succeed in school, but jeer when boys succeed in school. Even though females have every advantage in the education system, they somehow still have the audacity to complain. They take fluff majors but don’t realize anyone with less than half a brain could pass classes in the humanities and social sciences.
What makes so many MRAs such proud yahoos?.
Oh, and just look at the workplace. Sexual harassment laws give women freedom to dress slutty and still have the nerve to complain when men sneak a peek. If you are a man who has a female co-worker, you have to walk on eggshells everyday or else you can get fired because the twat in the other room got her panties in a bunch over something minor you said. You can be a man who has busted his ass everyday to succeed in your chosen profession, only to see it mean nothing because some woman who was nothing more than an affirmative action hire. If this isn’t bad enough, you get these useless women who are subpar, yet they still never shut up about breaking through the mythical glass-ceiling that they didn’t break and didn’t exist in the first place.
Working men, forever cursed by subpar women.
Also, I have really had enough of women dragging this country down with their dead-weight. Female soldiers, police officers, and firefighters are liabilities. No, all you ladies in these jobs, you aren’t heroes. I am going to go insane if I hear one more female soldier, police officer, or firefighter cry about not getting the respect she thinks she deserves. She doesn’t get respect because she doesn’t deserve respect. The military, law enforcement, and firefighters would be A LOT better off if women stopped lowering the bar to astronomical proportions.
“Lowering the bar to astronomical proportions?” Young Guy here has clearly not yet mastered the fine art of metaphor.
He blabs on a bit longer before wrapping up with:
The backlash is not only real, but it is well-deserved. Apologies won’t erase the damage which has been done. Acting like what happened because of feminism either didn’t happen or was minor is a slap in the face. Saying women have suffered from feminism just as much as men is like spitting in the faces of all the men who have suffered ten lifetimes of pain because of feminism.
Not one, not two, not five, but ten lifetimes of pain? MRAs really are the world’s greatest drama kings.
Andrew S., meanwhile, seems a little confused as to what feminists would like to see happening in the video game industry:
It will be interesting to see if feminists can ruin the gaming industry like they ruin pretty much everything else. There is a lot of money being made off “gamers,” and even guys like me who play the occasional game but aren’t hardcore contribute a lot of money to the industry.
I doubt there are a lot of young guys and men out there who are going to want to play games that involve a bunch of screaming feminists, and where the object of the game is to destroy the “evil patriarchy.” The truth is guys who play games want their female characters to be either hot, large breasted, ass kicking types, or sexy non-feminist types that you save. If the gaming industry changes this dynamic to much due to Feminist/liberal pressure they will destroy a cash cow. And feminism will have yet another “victory.”
Unrestricted and uncriticized access to giant tittied video game ladies: a sacred men’s right!
Kevin evidently speaks for many when he says he wants video games to remain a boys club:
Video games are pretty much the only place that feminism can’t invade unless the principle consumers of them want it. You don’t have to play with girls, or listen to girls, or do other pansy shit. You probably can’t leave a football team and join a different one that has no women, you sure as hell can do that online. Don’t like all the teamwork talk? Play by yourself.
Feminists don’t like video games because; they can’t make them, they can’t force you to buy them or play them even if they did, they couldn’t ruin the experience for you unless you wanted them to.
You can do anything feminists don’t want you to do, and best of all you’re rewarded for it.
Anonymous Age 70 doesn’t even play video games, but he was pleased to learn that you can shoot ladies in them:
Speaking of video games, I am reminded of my son 8 or 10 years ago. I visited him, and he had some kind of shoot-em-up video game. He was partnered with a dearie, and the instant the game started, he always put a bullet in the middle of her forehead. Then, he’d laugh as if it were the funniest thing ever.
I told him he was a sick man, but I was also laughing as if it were the funniest thing ever.
Seriously, he told me he performed better with her dead than needing to be protected.
A great analogy for marriage 2.0, yes?
Women, can’t live them, can’t shoot them in the head. Except in video games!
Criticizing video games is misandry!
One of my problems with DF is that my frames per second aren’t the best (this isn’t a dedicated gaming machine), so when the caravans show up or I find an underground cavern my speed craters 🙁
Oh, and I’m so glad the cats now have mouths and I have seen them removing festering goblin bits so I don’t grow miasma.
@Argenti Aertheri
“NWO — I repeat what I said when CassandraSays said that — wtf boundary are you asserting with the word bitch? (Hint, the regendered version of that would still say creep, but have female pronouns)”
Creep is a gendered word specifically pertaining to men. If anyone read a statement saying, “that person was acting really creepy,” everyone would naturally assume it was a man. Just as if anyone read a statement that said, “that person was acting really bitchy,” everyone would naturally assume it’s a woman. Now you could lie and pretend it’s otherwise but that doesn’t change the reality of the gendered insult. So in order to properly regender the gospel according to CassandraSays, not only did the he/she pronouns need to be changed, but the gendered insult as well. Calling a woman a creep has as much relevance as calling a woman a dick. None at all.
Da fucK?
School curriculums are geared towards me? That’s hilarious. I did horrible in hgih school. My learning style was completely different than how the teachers taught. They would also assign hundreds of math problems a night when I would understand the formulas by the end of class, so I refused to do the homework on prinicple. I would get 100% plus extra credit on every quiz and test, proving I understand the material, but the homework would knock me down to a C average. If that’s supposed to be the type of curriculum that is geared towards my success, well, obviously something went wrong. Then again, this dude assumes that all men and all women learn a specific way based on their genders which is completely ridiculous. There are more than two learning styles out there dipshit.
Schools have countless women’s programs? Like wood shop and auto shop? Is that the type of program he’s referring to? How about drafting. I know that wasn’t stressed for women to take, which is funny seeing as how, as a woman, my current major includes hours and hours of drafting. I really could’ve benefitted from that class in high school.
The rest of it is just bold faced delusion. Teachers really can’t do anything to their students. Believe me. I subbed at a local high school. Children have pretty much zero consequence right now. Every “problem” child has some sort of medical reason now for misbehaving and teachers can’t do anything about it.
I’d be interested to see these schools where smart guys are getting jeered at when they do good. Give me a small break buddy.
Not making sexual comments to coworkers is soooo hard you guys. You know, because it’s impossible to expect a man to be professional when he’s on the clock. If you can’t stop yourself from sexually harassing coworkers when you’re being paid to do a job you shouldn’t have a job in the first place. It’s hilarious that he goes on to talk about how hard these people work to get there. That’s funny considering he considers himself incapable of being professional.
The rant about female soldiers/firefighters/police officers makes me sick. Like that guy is brave enough to run into a fire to save someone’s life. Absolutely disgusting.
Riiiight, it’s impossible for there to be enough games for everyone to enjoy. Just because men don’t want to buy a game without a big-breasted woman, doesn’t mean the women who game won’t be psyched. Does he not understand that completely ignoring half of the population with your marketing is BAD FUCKING MARKETING?
@ragefromthebasement
“NWO:
Calling someone a creep is not the same as bitch. MRAs should stop trying to make up a word to be offended by so they can justify calling women cunts and bitches.”
According to the dictionary…
NOUN:
A female canine animal, especially a dog.
Offensive
A woman considered to be spiteful or overbearing.
A lewd woman.
A man considered to be weak or contemptible.
Slang A complaint.
Slang Something very unpleasant or difficult.
VERB:
Slang bitched, bitch·ing, bitch·es
VERB:
intr.
To complain; grumble.
VERB:
tr.
To botch; bungle. Often used with up.
So in reality, the word bitch is pretty much genderless in the offensive category. So don’t get yourself all worked up if someone calls you a bitch. After all, it isn’t gendered.
“Good. Hatred and anger are power. Whenever you hear someone say “stop the hate”, it is a call to throw down your greatest weapons.”
Good heavens, that Ryu kid sounds like a Sith Lord.
Okay, I know you don’t actually think this. Lie better. You don’t lie so good.
Huh, hadn’t scrolled up yet. So you told a lie that contradicts a statement you made in this very thread. On the same page. Turns out you’re an even worse liar than I thought.
My gods, NWO has finally found a dictionary! Please turn to “creep” —
creep, intr.v. crept, creep·ing, creeps
1. To move with the body close to the ground, as on hands and knees.
2. a. To move stealthily or cautiously.
b. To move or proceed very slowly: Traffic creeps at that hour.
3. Botany
a. To grow or spread along a surface, rooting at intervals or clinging by means of suckers or tendrils.
b. To grow horizontally under the ground, as the rhizomes of many plants.
4. To slip out of place; shift gradually.
5. To have a tingling sensation, made by or as if by things moving stealthily: a moan that made my flesh creep.
n.
1. The act of creeping; a creeping motion or progress.
2. Slang An annoyingly unpleasant or repulsive person.
3. A slow flow of metal when under high temperature or great pressure.
4. A slow change in a characteristic of electronic equipment, such as a decrease in power with continued usage.
5. Geology The slow movement of rock debris and soil down a weathered slope.
6. creeps Informal A sensation of fear or repugnance, as if things were crawling on one’s skin: That house gives me the creeps.
You want noun definitions 2 and 6 here. Versus —
A female canine animal, especially a dog.
Offensive
A woman considered to be spiteful or overbearing.
A lewd woman.
A man considered to be weak or contemptible. — A man consider effeminate. (Flip to “unmanly” if you doubt the relationship between the words “weak”, “contemptible” and “effeminate”)
The “here, let me get you a dictionary” thing only works if you aren’t being disingenuous.
Dracula — I’d missed that comment too, which he’s doubly lying in, he hadn’t regendered to say bitch, but to say cunt. (NWO, dude, that comment is the top page of an active thread, we’re all seeing it repeatedly still, really not that hard to check wtf you said.)
NWO: P 1: Just as if anyone read a statement that said, “that person was acting really bitchy,” everyone would naturally assume it’s a woman.
P 2: So in reality, the word bitch is pretty much genderless in the offensive category.
C: NWO is a lying hypocrite.
“So in order to properly regender the gospel according to CassandraSays”
Does anyone else see the irony of Cassandra saying something only to be ignored?
@ Argenti
That’s where my screename came from – feeling like in the period running up to the invasions of both Afghanistan and Iraq I kept saying “this is not going to end well” and nobody in the US would believe me.
Also, NWO is still obsessing over that comment? I can only conclude that he has often been called creepy and assumed that it was a comment on his gender rather than the awfulness of his behavior. I’ve said on here before that I’ve observed women and girls being extremely creepy towards men before, and I know he read that, but oh the butthurt about the fact that people think he’s creepy – must be misandry.
Well, he does assume that about anything negative anyone says about him ever.
What does a gun have to do with strength and intellect? I understand power, though not in the typical masculine sense since the use of a weapon is artifical power, but not the other two. Removing guns from the equation has nothing to do with removing masculinity.
BTW, I’m a woman who enjoys shooting guns. OMFG HOW?
Anyways, gun control is not about feminism, but about crime prevention. Needing to obtain a permit to carry a gun and getting your gun registered means that if someone uses their gun to commit a crime it can be traced back to the owner. I don’t know about you, but if someone shoots me, I definitely want a way to figure out who did it. But it seems you’re really interested in vigilante justice. Great idea. Have whoever wants a gun, even people who have been proven emotionally unstable, criminally insane, or have committed past violent crimes, just able to get one. And let’s not worry about tracing it back to them. That way people intent on vigilante justice and just decide who committed those crimes and go shoot them themselves. Let’s remove the justice system entirely. I mean, the best way to sort out crime is for the people to run around shooting each other because they’re preeeeettty sure that person did it.
You’re saying that one film out of hundreds of films with powerful male leads who are more powerful than their female counterparts is enough to completely change a boy’s opinion of himself and his gender? Or, maybe it’s just enough to show him that men and women have endless possibilities and the ability to be more than just their gender roles. I would say that’s a more likely message.
There you go making assumptions about all women. You know, different women have different tastes. Not all women like buff men. You really need to speak with more than a few women to realize that there is not just one type of woman with one opinion.
I’ve never seen this movie but no, this is your problem right here. You blame a woman for the bad actions of a man. This is never appropriate. Everyone makes their own decisions in life.
He does? You mean men accused of rape are almost always convicted? Have I been living in a different world than you have?
Jessay: He does? You mean men accused of rape are almost always convicted? Have I been living in a different world than you have?
Yes, the real one.
The Western Feminists who tried to destroy the heterosexual adult segment of the Japanese domestic videogame industry are one of the major reasons why I turned against feminism in the first place.
Ignoring the fact that if guns were easier to obtain the rapist might have also had a gun, seen her pulling for her gun, and shot her first… or even approached her with a gun to her head. Guns being easier to obtain means they’re easier to obtain for everyone, including criminals.
If I took every cliche I saw on tv about what men want in women I’d be doing myself a disservice. Some of us understand that all people are different, that all people have different wants and needs. Each man I have dated has wanted something different from me, liked something different about me, and had different expectations in dating. Had I held to the “rules” of like, three dates means sex, don’t kiss on the first date, and the images I see of men and women clinging to each other and falling in love at first sight, well, I wouldn’t have had a single positive relationship. Nobody lied to you. TV is fantasy. Even reality tv is mostly fiction. You are just looking for someone to blame for your own naivety. Had you just asked women questions in order to discover their wants and needs, you probably could’ve avoided a lot of headache.
Or, in a panic, she could’ve accidentally shot herself in the face. Knock it off with these absolutes. You have no way to tell what would have happened otherwise.
Everyone judged you based on what you said here, which was stupid.
Coming from a tall, naturally thicker woman, a-to-the-men. Almost every guy I am into is pining for some super-petite woman. Try being a tall woman who isn’t skinny sometime buddy.
I’m sorry the Spice Girls shattered your male ego.
What you ignore here is that women’s accomplishments over the course of history have been extremely downplayed. Women did do great things in history, and most of them weren’t recognized for them, because men like you didn’t want to be outshone by women who were just as capable, if not moreso. Your desire to constantly have a better man represented in pop culture is just another example of this type of bullshit. You’re the one asking for the continued special treatment that men always received.
Feminism did not create the current state of the economy. Rich, white, male corporation owners and politicians did.
Somehow i’m not surprised to find a troll crapping all over our lovely video games chat.. again. :O
@Argenti Aertheri
“My gods, NWO has finally found a dictionary!”
Which gods are they? The goddess in all women? Yes I found a dictionary, I’ve known about them since your life began at conception. You seem to particularly enjoy opening all your comments with a condescending attitude, possibly a by-product of a lifetime of female supremacist indoctrination.
I noticed you seem to have added… “A man consider effeminate. (Flip to “unmanly” if you doubt the relationship between the words “weak”, “contemptible” and “effeminate”),” to the official, “A man considered to be weak or contemptible.”
Was this an extrapolation on your part? I’ve looked around a bit and didn’t seem to find that particular explaination.
I found… “A woman who would say things that if she were a man, she would be confronted or assaulted. (using her position as a woman as a shield)”
And… “An exceedingly whipped guy who does/wears/thinks/says whatever his girlfriend tells him to.”
In the urban dictionary.
Aaaaaand, yes. I can be just as disingenuous as you. If we’re going to play what’s the gendered/non-gendered meaning of an insult? I’ll play the game as well.
“There was this —— at the bar that was acting sooooo creepy.” I’ll bet if you toss that one out there and asked the english speaking world to fill in the blank you’d get an almost 100% response of, “guy, dude or man.” Does the manboobz crew plan a crusade to correct the english speaking world’s gendered use of the word, “creep?”
As far as your following comment of… “Dracula — I’d missed that comment too, which he’s doubly lying in, he hadn’t regendered to say bitch, but to say cunt.
My comment was in response to your comment. You used the word bitch. If you’dve used the word cunt, whore, skank, ect, that’s the word I would’ve used in response to your comment. My reply to your comment would’ve made no sense if I used the word, “skank” while you used the word, “bitch.”
Still kafka trapping?
@pecunium
The above is meant for you as well. Let’s pretend all insults are non-gendered. Or are we going to pick and choose?
@Jessay (@jessay)
“Feminism did not create the current state of the economy. Rich, white, male corporation owners and politicians did.”
Feminism is the most influential, to the exclusion of all else in policy making decisions. The only concern of any politician is how anything affects women and what women want.
The top three slots in the white house, Obama identifies as being black, Biden identifies as jewish, Hillary is a feminist woman. Two men, neither of white european descent and a white, feminist woman.
The banking and financial houses that control all the worlds finances, oil, corporations and media are; Rothchild, JP Morgan, Lehman Bros, Warburg, Goldman Sachs, Kuhn Loeb, Rockefeller, Lazard bros, Stillman, Shiff and several others.
Although they’re all men, none of these men are of white european descent. Please place the blame where it belongs. Which is to say, white men of european descent are innocent.
And NWO lets his antisemitism out for a little run around the park.
Just curious, NWO, why are Jewish men of European descent not white men of European descent? Does being Jewish magically make them not white, or not of European descent, or both?
(Also, Jews don’t actually control the world economy, but that’s a whole other kettle of gefilte fish.)
NWO’s not even entertaining any more. Same shit, different day with him.
So, Congress is entirely composed of Jewish men, and women? The Supreme Court has no white men on it? The CEOs of corporations , none of those are white men? What race was George Bush, the dipshit who ruined the economy?
@David Futrelle
“And NWO lets his antisemitism out for a little run around the park.”
I see. Why is blaming the people who are running the show considered antisemitic? Saying rich, white europeans seems to be ok. Perhaps you could give me a list of which particular groups of people are above blame due to their heritage.
Are all blacks good? Are all women good? Are all jews good? Are only all white european men bad? Can I not say lehman bros. are bad, or rothchild or morgan or warburg? Why do you defend the very people who financially impoverish every nation? Because of their ancestry?
I’ll tell you what. Since I’m obviously a very bad man and a racist as well, why don’t you and all the rest of the gang do the research. Everyone here say’s I suck at research while you’re all experts. Tell me who owns/are the major shareholders of the federal reserve, the bank of london, berlin, the IMF, the world bank and so on. Tell me the top shareholders of the fortune 500 corporations. Tell me the owners/shareholders of the oil companies, the insurance companies, MSM outlets, ect.
This way, if you and the gang come up with the same names/corporations it won’t be racist.
I thought Biden is Catholic.