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“Hatred and anger are power,” and other thoughts on women and gaming from Spearheaders

Evil incarnate

Over on The Spearhead, W.F. Price celebrates the harassment directed at Anita Sarkeesian’s Tropes Against Women video project as a sign of a powerful new backlash against the evils of feminism, a backlash he’s proud to be a part of. Dudes being obnoxious to a woman on the internet: Men’s Rights at its finest.

Oh, sure, Price acknowledges, some of the attacks on her were “juvenile” – and thus not as effective as they might otherwise have been — and the controversy did enable Sarkeesian to raise more than $130,000 for her project, but Price even sees this as a victory of sorts:

As for Sarkeesian’s success, we should be happy about it, because I can’t think of a more worthless way to spend over a hundred thousand dollars than in finger-wagging over video games. For one thing, it’s sure to piss even more guys off, and the game industry is very competitive, so her documentary (now expanded to 12 parts!) will likely have zero effect on production and consumption of this form of entertainment. The feminists are simply pissing all the money away, and that’s fine, because this time they’re paying for it themselves.

No question about it: those grapes were definitely sour.

Naturally, the Spearhead regulars were overjoyed by these new signs of, er, progress. Here are some highlights from the discussion that followed; lest I be accused once again of cherry-picking outliers, each and every one of the comments I quote below got literally dozens of net upvotes. This is what these guys really think.

Mojo offers a sort of backlash manifesto:

Feminists will never understand that it is -they- who are the oppressors. They cling to their delusion that they are the ‘underdog’ against the system, even as they control the system.

Revolution requires an enemy class to attack … this is seen as justified when the enemy class controls the system. But feminism is perpetual revolution. So what happens when they gain control over the system? They continue to attack the enemy class, i.e. men, thinking they are striking the next blow against the patriarchy, when what they are doing is more like a pogrom.

Yep, he went there.

Now -they- are the system, they are able and more than willing to intimidate, humiliate, expropriate. It will get indefinitely worse if they have their way. Liberal feminism leads -necessarily- to radical feminism.

Still, we don’t need feminists to ‘understand’ that they are the persecutors (I imagine some of them know this full well and are just misandrist sadists, little Eichmanns). It doesn’t matter what they think or know or understand. What matters is what -we- think, know and understand, and how we are going to act on it.

So … like the swivel-eyed feminist lunatics progressing from attempted assassinations to laying the foundations for institutional and legal abuse … I ask you – what are we going to DO with this knowledge and awareness beyond changing online discourse? …

Thinking like a leftist, though: why not attach ourselves to the GOP in order to subvert its gender politics and radicalize it in the MRA direction? That kind of approach has worked wonders for leftists and their infiltrations into public institutions …

Huh. Reactionary anti-feminists attaching themselves to the Republican Party? No one’s ever thought of that before.

Keyster offers some equally, er, innovative thinking:

Feminism has failed because women as a group adopted the notion of “equality” with men, while stubbornly clinging to their sexual/reproductive power over men. Had feminism truly helped women “realize their greatness”, there’d be far more great women. Instead there’s just more feminists. It’s run it’s course over 3 generations and it’s out of time to prove itself righteous.

The original “male chauvanist pigs” of the early 70′s, were right all along. Women are biologically and chemically ill-equipped to be men. If the Creator had meant women to be more like men, he wouldn’t have given them the ability to bring forth life from their bodies.

Ryu not only embraces the backlash, but seems perfectly fine with the notion that the Men’s Rights movement is a hate movement:

Good. Hatred and anger are power. Whenever you hear someone say “stop the hate”, it is a call to throw down your greatest weapons.

Young Guy purports to speak for all young guys (manginas presumably excepted):

If feminists think men, especially young men, are angry, they don’t know the half of it. As a 26 year-old male, I have seen this society bend over backwards to accommodate women all the time.

The school curriculums are geared toward female success. Schools have countless women’s programs. Female teachers can be as hateful as they want towards male students without facing consequences. People cheer when girls succeed in school, but jeer when boys succeed in school. Even though females have every advantage in the education system, they somehow still have the audacity to complain. They take fluff majors but don’t realize anyone with less than half a brain could pass classes in the humanities and social sciences.

What makes so many MRAs such proud yahoos?.

Oh, and just look at the workplace. Sexual harassment laws give women freedom to dress slutty and still have the nerve to complain when men sneak a peek. If you are a man who has a female co-worker, you have to walk on eggshells everyday or else you can get fired because the twat in the other room got her panties in a bunch over something minor you said. You can be a man who has busted his ass everyday to succeed in your chosen profession, only to see it mean nothing because some woman who was nothing more than an affirmative action hire. If this isn’t bad enough, you get these useless women who are subpar, yet they still never shut up about breaking through the mythical glass-ceiling that they didn’t break and didn’t exist in the first place.

Working men, forever cursed by subpar women.

Also, I have really had enough of women dragging this country down with their dead-weight. Female soldiers, police officers, and firefighters are liabilities. No, all you ladies in these jobs, you aren’t heroes. I am going to go insane if I hear one more female soldier, police officer, or firefighter cry about not getting the respect she thinks she deserves. She doesn’t get respect because she doesn’t deserve respect. The military, law enforcement, and firefighters would be A LOT better off if women stopped lowering the bar to astronomical proportions.

“Lowering the bar to astronomical proportions?” Young Guy here has clearly not yet mastered the fine art of metaphor.

He blabs on a bit longer before wrapping up with:

The backlash is not only real, but it is well-deserved. Apologies won’t erase the damage which has been done. Acting like what happened because of feminism either didn’t happen or was minor is a slap in the face. Saying women have suffered from feminism just as much as men is like spitting in the faces of all the men who have suffered ten lifetimes of pain because of feminism.

Not one, not two, not five, but ten lifetimes of pain? MRAs really are the world’s greatest drama kings.

Andrew S., meanwhile, seems a little confused as to what feminists would like to see happening in the video game industry:

It will be interesting to see if feminists can ruin the gaming industry like they ruin pretty much everything else. There is a lot of money being made off “gamers,” and even guys like me who play the occasional game but aren’t hardcore contribute a lot of money to the industry.

I doubt there are a lot of young guys and men out there who are going to want to play games that involve a bunch of screaming feminists, and where the object of the game is to destroy the “evil patriarchy.” The truth is guys who play games want their female characters to be either hot, large breasted, ass kicking types, or sexy non-feminist types that you save. If the gaming industry changes this dynamic to much due to Feminist/liberal pressure they will destroy a cash cow. And feminism will have yet another “victory.”

 

Unrestricted and uncriticized access to giant tittied video game ladies: a sacred men’s right!

Kevin evidently speaks for many when he says he wants video games to remain a boys club:

Video games are pretty much the only place that feminism can’t invade unless the principle consumers of them want it. You don’t have to play with girls, or listen to girls, or do other pansy shit. You probably can’t leave a football team and join a different one that has no women, you sure as hell can do that online. Don’t like all the teamwork talk? Play by yourself.

Feminists don’t like video games because; they can’t make them, they can’t force you to buy them or play them even if they did, they couldn’t ruin the experience for you unless you wanted them to.

You can do anything feminists don’t want you to do, and best of all you’re rewarded for it.

Anonymous Age 70 doesn’t even play video games, but he was pleased to learn that you can shoot ladies in them:

Speaking of video games, I am reminded of my son 8 or 10 years ago. I visited him, and he had some kind of shoot-em-up video game. He was partnered with a dearie, and the instant the game started, he always put a bullet in the middle of her forehead. Then, he’d laugh as if it were the funniest thing ever.

I told him he was a sick man, but I was also laughing as if it were the funniest thing ever.

Seriously, he told me he performed better with her dead than needing to be protected.

A great analogy for marriage 2.0, yes?

Women, can’t live them, can’t shoot them in the head. Except in video games!

Criticizing video games is misandry!

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Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

One of my problems with DF is that my frames per second aren’t the best (this isn’t a dedicated gaming machine), so when the caravans show up or I find an underground cavern my speed craters 🙁

Oh, and I’m so glad the cats now have mouths and I have seen them removing festering goblin bits so I don’t grow miasma.

nwoslave
8 years ago

@Argenti Aertheri
“NWO — I repeat what I said when CassandraSays said that — wtf boundary are you asserting with the word bitch? (Hint, the regendered version of that would still say creep, but have female pronouns)”

Creep is a gendered word specifically pertaining to men. If anyone read a statement saying, “that person was acting really creepy,” everyone would naturally assume it was a man. Just as if anyone read a statement that said, “that person was acting really bitchy,” everyone would naturally assume it’s a woman. Now you could lie and pretend it’s otherwise but that doesn’t change the reality of the gendered insult. So in order to properly regender the gospel according to CassandraSays, not only did the he/she pronouns need to be changed, but the gendered insult as well. Calling a woman a creep has as much relevance as calling a woman a dick. None at all.

Jessay (@jessay)
8 years ago

The school curriculums are geared toward female success. Schools have countless women’s programs. Female teachers can be as hateful as they want towards male students without facing consequences. People cheer when girls succeed in school, but jeer when boys succeed in school. Even though females have every advantage in the education system, they somehow still have the audacity to complain. They take fluff majors but don’t realize anyone with less than half a brain could pass classes in the humanities and social sciences.

Da fucK?

School curriculums are geared towards me? That’s hilarious. I did horrible in hgih school. My learning style was completely different than how the teachers taught. They would also assign hundreds of math problems a night when I would understand the formulas by the end of class, so I refused to do the homework on prinicple. I would get 100% plus extra credit on every quiz and test, proving I understand the material, but the homework would knock me down to a C average. If that’s supposed to be the type of curriculum that is geared towards my success, well, obviously something went wrong. Then again, this dude assumes that all men and all women learn a specific way based on their genders which is completely ridiculous. There are more than two learning styles out there dipshit.

Schools have countless women’s programs? Like wood shop and auto shop? Is that the type of program he’s referring to? How about drafting. I know that wasn’t stressed for women to take, which is funny seeing as how, as a woman, my current major includes hours and hours of drafting. I really could’ve benefitted from that class in high school.

The rest of it is just bold faced delusion. Teachers really can’t do anything to their students. Believe me. I subbed at a local high school. Children have pretty much zero consequence right now. Every “problem” child has some sort of medical reason now for misbehaving and teachers can’t do anything about it.

I’d be interested to see these schools where smart guys are getting jeered at when they do good. Give me a small break buddy.

Oh, and just look at the workplace. Sexual harassment laws give women freedom to dress slutty and still have the nerve to complain when men sneak a peek. If you are a man who has a female co-worker, you have to walk on eggshells everyday or else you can get fired because the twat in the other room got her panties in a bunch over something minor you said.

Not making sexual comments to coworkers is soooo hard you guys. You know, because it’s impossible to expect a man to be professional when he’s on the clock. If you can’t stop yourself from sexually harassing coworkers when you’re being paid to do a job you shouldn’t have a job in the first place. It’s hilarious that he goes on to talk about how hard these people work to get there. That’s funny considering he considers himself incapable of being professional.

The rant about female soldiers/firefighters/police officers makes me sick. Like that guy is brave enough to run into a fire to save someone’s life. Absolutely disgusting.

The truth is guys who play games want their female characters to be either hot, large breasted, ass kicking types, or sexy non-feminist types that you save. If the gaming industry changes this dynamic to much due to Feminist/liberal pressure they will destroy a cash cow.

Riiiight, it’s impossible for there to be enough games for everyone to enjoy. Just because men don’t want to buy a game without a big-breasted woman, doesn’t mean the women who game won’t be psyched. Does he not understand that completely ignoring half of the population with your marketing is BAD FUCKING MARKETING?

nwoslave
8 years ago

@ragefromthebasement
“NWO:
Calling someone a creep is not the same as bitch. MRAs should stop trying to make up a word to be offended by so they can justify calling women cunts and bitches.”

According to the dictionary…

NOUN:

A female canine animal, especially a dog.

Offensive
A woman considered to be spiteful or overbearing.
A lewd woman.
A man considered to be weak or contemptible.

Slang A complaint.
Slang Something very unpleasant or difficult.

VERB:
Slang bitched, bitch·ing, bitch·es
VERB:
intr.

To complain; grumble.
VERB:
tr.
To botch; bungle. Often used with up.

So in reality, the word bitch is pretty much genderless in the offensive category. So don’t get yourself all worked up if someone calls you a bitch. After all, it isn’t gendered.

The Sensual Coalition of Men
The Sensual Coalition of Men
8 years ago

“Good. Hatred and anger are power. Whenever you hear someone say “stop the hate”, it is a call to throw down your greatest weapons.”

Good heavens, that Ryu kid sounds like a Sith Lord.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

So in reality, the word bitch is pretty much genderless in the offensive category.

Okay, I know you don’t actually think this. Lie better. You don’t lie so good.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

Just as if anyone read a statement that said, “that person was acting really bitchy,” everyone would naturally assume it’s a woman.

Huh, hadn’t scrolled up yet. So you told a lie that contradicts a statement you made in this very thread. On the same page. Turns out you’re an even worse liar than I thought.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

My gods, NWO has finally found a dictionary! Please turn to “creep” —

creep, intr.v. crept, creep·ing, creeps
1. To move with the body close to the ground, as on hands and knees.
2. a. To move stealthily or cautiously.
b. To move or proceed very slowly: Traffic creeps at that hour.
3. Botany
a. To grow or spread along a surface, rooting at intervals or clinging by means of suckers or tendrils.
b. To grow horizontally under the ground, as the rhizomes of many plants.
4. To slip out of place; shift gradually.
5. To have a tingling sensation, made by or as if by things moving stealthily: a moan that made my flesh creep.
n.
1. The act of creeping; a creeping motion or progress.
2. Slang An annoyingly unpleasant or repulsive person.
3. A slow flow of metal when under high temperature or great pressure.
4. A slow change in a characteristic of electronic equipment, such as a decrease in power with continued usage.
5. Geology The slow movement of rock debris and soil down a weathered slope.
6. creeps Informal A sensation of fear or repugnance, as if things were crawling on one’s skin: That house gives me the creeps.

You want noun definitions 2 and 6 here. Versus —

A female canine animal, especially a dog.

Offensive
A woman considered to be spiteful or overbearing.
A lewd woman.
A man considered to be weak or contemptible. — A man consider effeminate. (Flip to “unmanly” if you doubt the relationship between the words “weak”, “contemptible” and “effeminate”)

The “here, let me get you a dictionary” thing only works if you aren’t being disingenuous.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Dracula — I’d missed that comment too, which he’s doubly lying in, he hadn’t regendered to say bitch, but to say cunt. (NWO, dude, that comment is the top page of an active thread, we’re all seeing it repeatedly still, really not that hard to check wtf you said.)

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

NWO: P 1: Just as if anyone read a statement that said, “that person was acting really bitchy,” everyone would naturally assume it’s a woman.

P 2: So in reality, the word bitch is pretty much genderless in the offensive category.

C: NWO is a lying hypocrite.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“So in order to properly regender the gospel according to CassandraSays”

Does anyone else see the irony of Cassandra saying something only to be ignored?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

@ Argenti

That’s where my screename came from – feeling like in the period running up to the invasions of both Afghanistan and Iraq I kept saying “this is not going to end well” and nobody in the US would believe me.

Also, NWO is still obsessing over that comment? I can only conclude that he has often been called creepy and assumed that it was a comment on his gender rather than the awfulness of his behavior. I’ve said on here before that I’ve observed women and girls being extremely creepy towards men before, and I know he read that, but oh the butthurt about the fact that people think he’s creepy – must be misandry.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

…assumed that it was a comment on his gender rather than the awfulness of his behavior.

Well, he does assume that about anything negative anyone says about him ever.

Jessay (@jessay)
8 years ago

Firearms here are synonymous with a “woman’s issue,” yet the overwhelming majority of the firearm owning population is male. Feminists have therefore discouraged a traditionally male activity associated with strength, power, intellect etc.

What does a gun have to do with strength and intellect? I understand power, though not in the typical masculine sense since the use of a weapon is artifical power, but not the other two. Removing guns from the equation has nothing to do with removing masculinity.

BTW, I’m a woman who enjoys shooting guns. OMFG HOW?

Anyways, gun control is not about feminism, but about crime prevention. Needing to obtain a permit to carry a gun and getting your gun registered means that if someone uses their gun to commit a crime it can be traced back to the owner. I don’t know about you, but if someone shoots me, I definitely want a way to figure out who did it. But it seems you’re really interested in vigilante justice. Great idea. Have whoever wants a gun, even people who have been proven emotionally unstable, criminally insane, or have committed past violent crimes, just able to get one. And let’s not worry about tracing it back to them. That way people intent on vigilante justice and just decide who committed those crimes and go shoot them themselves. Let’s remove the justice system entirely. I mean, the best way to sort out crime is for the people to run around shooting each other because they’re preeeeettty sure that person did it.

I watched the movie as an adult of course, but a little boy would internalize the message that he was never going to be able to match Astrid’s, or substitute an alternative love-interest’s, ANY GIRL’s physical prowess

You’re saying that one film out of hundreds of films with powerful male leads who are more powerful than their female counterparts is enough to completely change a boy’s opinion of himself and his gender? Or, maybe it’s just enough to show him that men and women have endless possibilities and the ability to be more than just their gender roles. I would say that’s a more likely message.

There’s nothing inherently wrong with this, except of course that women tend to like physically attractive men, which usually means establishing some level of physical fitness.

There you go making assumptions about all women. You know, different women have different tastes. Not all women like buff men. You really need to speak with more than a few women to realize that there is not just one type of woman with one opinion.

It’s not that Astrid is a bad woman, but she makes Hiccup into a bad man.

I’ve never seen this movie but no, this is your problem right here. You blame a woman for the bad actions of a man. This is never appropriate. Everyone makes their own decisions in life.

I’ve not committed rape, but I still feel squarely targeted by anti-rape campaigns, especially since an accused man has the odds stacked so squarely against him.

He does? You mean men accused of rape are almost always convicted? Have I been living in a different world than you have?

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

Jessay: He does? You mean men accused of rape are almost always convicted? Have I been living in a different world than you have?

Yes, the real one.

ABNOY
ABNOY
8 years ago

The Western Feminists who tried to destroy the heterosexual adult segment of the Japanese domestic videogame industry are one of the major reasons why I turned against feminism in the first place.

Jessay (@jessay)
8 years ago

For example: in one circumstance a woman was raped and beaten to death in Toronto while on the phone with 911. The police arrived too late. If she’d been allowed to own a firearm, then I submit that she might still be alive.

Ignoring the fact that if guns were easier to obtain the rapist might have also had a gun, seen her pulling for her gun, and shot her first… or even approached her with a gun to her head. Guns being easier to obtain means they’re easier to obtain for everyone, including criminals.

Take sex. I internalized a message that what women really wanted was a nice long rose-petal scented bath, with chocolates and, candles, followed by two-hours of cunnilingus, and then maybe, if she’s in the mood, she’ll put out. I BELIEVED that, and I had to learn, much later in life, that sometimes, women just want a good hard roll in the hay. Thinking the former, and not the latter almost cost me my marriage once or twice. So who lied here? I’m pretty sure I picked up the former message from popular culture. If I had known then what I know now, we’ll I could have been so much greater then than I am now. Partially my fault, yes. But someone lied to me, and I feel pretty betrayed by it.

If I took every cliche I saw on tv about what men want in women I’d be doing myself a disservice. Some of us understand that all people are different, that all people have different wants and needs. Each man I have dated has wanted something different from me, liked something different about me, and had different expectations in dating. Had I held to the “rules” of like, three dates means sex, don’t kiss on the first date, and the images I see of men and women clinging to each other and falling in love at first sight, well, I wouldn’t have had a single positive relationship. Nobody lied to you. TV is fantasy. Even reality tv is mostly fiction. You are just looking for someone to blame for your own naivety. Had you just asked women questions in order to discover their wants and needs, you probably could’ve avoided a lot of headache.

False again. She managed to get to her phone WHILE being raped and beaten. If she’d been allowed to reach for a pistol instead of her phone, she’d be alive.

Or, in a panic, she could’ve accidentally shot herself in the face. Knock it off with these absolutes. You have no way to tell what would have happened otherwise.

Second, to illustrate that everything you think you know, or understand about me is wrong.

Everyone judged you based on what you said here, which was stupid.

Also, I could complain that men seem to prefer that women be significantly tinier than them. Every guy I’ve tried to date that WAS closer to my height wasn’t interested in me, he wanted someone shorter. I don’t cry about that, I shrug my shoulders and move on. Christ.

Coming from a tall, naturally thicker woman, a-to-the-men. Almost every guy I am into is pining for some super-petite woman. Try being a tall woman who isn’t skinny sometime buddy.

In my case, I’m against feminism because as a young person, I felt my potential was always being overshadowed by a compulsive need to push girl-power.

I’m sorry the Spice Girls shattered your male ego.

To make a special place in history for women’s achievements, for example. I’m of the opinion that women shouldn’t need to be singled-out. If a woman did something great in history, then that’s worthy of just as much consideration and attention as any other achievement. I don’t believe that women deserve special treatment, simply by virtue of being women.

What you ignore here is that women’s accomplishments over the course of history have been extremely downplayed. Women did do great things in history, and most of them weren’t recognized for them, because men like you didn’t want to be outshone by women who were just as capable, if not moreso. Your desire to constantly have a better man represented in pop culture is just another example of this type of bullshit. You’re the one asking for the continued special treatment that men always received.

By shifting the west to a dual-income model, it’s made it effectively impossible for women to choose to stay at home, and raise the children.

Feminism did not create the current state of the economy. Rich, white, male corporation owners and politicians did.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

Somehow i’m not surprised to find a troll crapping all over our lovely video games chat.. again. :O

nwoslave
8 years ago

@Argenti Aertheri
“My gods, NWO has finally found a dictionary!”

Which gods are they? The goddess in all women? Yes I found a dictionary, I’ve known about them since your life began at conception. You seem to particularly enjoy opening all your comments with a condescending attitude, possibly a by-product of a lifetime of female supremacist indoctrination.

I noticed you seem to have added… “A man consider effeminate. (Flip to “unmanly” if you doubt the relationship between the words “weak”, “contemptible” and “effeminate”),” to the official, “A man considered to be weak or contemptible.”

Was this an extrapolation on your part? I’ve looked around a bit and didn’t seem to find that particular explaination.

I found… “A woman who would say things that if she were a man, she would be confronted or assaulted. (using her position as a woman as a shield)”

And… “An exceedingly whipped guy who does/wears/thinks/says whatever his girlfriend tells him to.”

In the urban dictionary.

Aaaaaand, yes. I can be just as disingenuous as you. If we’re going to play what’s the gendered/non-gendered meaning of an insult? I’ll play the game as well.

“There was this —— at the bar that was acting sooooo creepy.” I’ll bet if you toss that one out there and asked the english speaking world to fill in the blank you’d get an almost 100% response of, “guy, dude or man.” Does the manboobz crew plan a crusade to correct the english speaking world’s gendered use of the word, “creep?”

As far as your following comment of… “Dracula — I’d missed that comment too, which he’s doubly lying in, he hadn’t regendered to say bitch, but to say cunt.

My comment was in response to your comment. You used the word bitch. If you’dve used the word cunt, whore, skank, ect, that’s the word I would’ve used in response to your comment. My reply to your comment would’ve made no sense if I used the word, “skank” while you used the word, “bitch.”

Still kafka trapping?

@pecunium

The above is meant for you as well. Let’s pretend all insults are non-gendered. Or are we going to pick and choose?

nwoslave
8 years ago

@Jessay (@jessay)
“Feminism did not create the current state of the economy. Rich, white, male corporation owners and politicians did.”

Feminism is the most influential, to the exclusion of all else in policy making decisions. The only concern of any politician is how anything affects women and what women want.

The top three slots in the white house, Obama identifies as being black, Biden identifies as jewish, Hillary is a feminist woman. Two men, neither of white european descent and a white, feminist woman.

The banking and financial houses that control all the worlds finances, oil, corporations and media are; Rothchild, JP Morgan, Lehman Bros, Warburg, Goldman Sachs, Kuhn Loeb, Rockefeller, Lazard bros, Stillman, Shiff and several others.

Although they’re all men, none of these men are of white european descent. Please place the blame where it belongs. Which is to say, white men of european descent are innocent.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

NWO’s not even entertaining any more. Same shit, different day with him.

Bostonian
8 years ago

So, Congress is entirely composed of Jewish men, and women? The Supreme Court has no white men on it? The CEOs of corporations , none of those are white men? What race was George Bush, the dipshit who ruined the economy?

nwoslave
8 years ago

@David Futrelle
“And NWO lets his antisemitism out for a little run around the park.”

I see. Why is blaming the people who are running the show considered antisemitic? Saying rich, white europeans seems to be ok. Perhaps you could give me a list of which particular groups of people are above blame due to their heritage.

Are all blacks good? Are all women good? Are all jews good? Are only all white european men bad? Can I not say lehman bros. are bad, or rothchild or morgan or warburg? Why do you defend the very people who financially impoverish every nation? Because of their ancestry?

I’ll tell you what. Since I’m obviously a very bad man and a racist as well, why don’t you and all the rest of the gang do the research. Everyone here say’s I suck at research while you’re all experts. Tell me who owns/are the major shareholders of the federal reserve, the bank of london, berlin, the IMF, the world bank and so on. Tell me the top shareholders of the fortune 500 corporations. Tell me the owners/shareholders of the oil companies, the insurance companies, MSM outlets, ect.

This way, if you and the gang come up with the same names/corporations it won’t be racist.

Snowy
Snowy
8 years ago

Biden identifies as jewish

I thought Biden is Catholic.

ShadetheDruid
ShadetheDruid
8 years ago

I thought Biden was a reptilian, just like all world leaders.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

I thought Biden is Catholic.

Yep. This isn’t the first time slaveman has claimed Biden is Jewish. I have no clue where he’s getting that from.

nwoslave
8 years ago

@David Futrelle
“Just curious, NWO, why are Jewish men of European descent not white men of European descent? Does being Jewish magically make them not white, or not of European descent, or both?”

If Jewish men of European descent are considered white men of European descent as you contend, why are you accusing me of being antisemitic? On the one hand you want to accuse me of antisemitism by exculding European men of Jewish ancestry if I point out their financial manipulation which harms everyone. Yet on the other hand you say why aren’t they considered white Europeans, but if I dare mention the name Rothchild you exclude them from being white Europeans by using the term semitic.

How can I win in this situation, Dave? Is Rothchild a white European, or is Rothchild a Semite, a whole different part of the world. You tell me, Dave. Also, if being a white European doesn’t exempt one from being an evil fuck or blame. Semitic also doesn’t exempt one from being an evil fuck or blame. No one get’s a free pass because of their ancestry. Do they?

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

NWO: Two men, neither of white european descent and a white, feminist woman.

Well, the first is true. Both Obama and Biden are of American descent. Biden and Obama do, however, both have European Ancestors.

But that’s not what you meant. You meant that White Christians are superior, in some essential way, to everyone else.

Moron.

What About John Roberts? He’s a white male of European descent.

How do you account for Clarence Thomas having the same foolsish beliefs you do? In case you hadn’t noticed, he’s black.

Of course there is this dilemma for you too… I’m Male. I’m White. I am of European descent.

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

NWO: Here’s one for you.

I’ll pretend what you say is what you mean. The problem is, of course, that you pretend you have, “The Truth”. You also pretend that each thing you write is independent of every other thing you write. That’s the only way I can see anyone who has any sense of honesty, or decency, making the contradictory statements you make; one right after the other.

Of course if I actually read what you say, the idea of honesty and decency sharing space with you quickly recedes from imagination.

nwoslave
8 years ago

@Snowy
“I thought Biden is Catholic.”

You are correct, I was wrong about him being Jewish. So the pyramid of whitehouse power is… #1 Obama/black man, #2 Biden/white man, #3 Hillary Clinton/white feminist woman.

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

NWO: I see. Why is blaming the people who are running the show considered antisemitic?

Because you prented them being Jewish (though they aren’t. Joe Biden is a Catholic, Obama is some sort of generic christian. Clinton is some sort of christian (espicopalian, or baptist, or somehing).

I’ll tell you what. Since I’m obviously a very bad man and a racist as well, why don’t you and all the rest of the gang do the research. Everyone here say’s I suck at research while you’re all experts. Tell me who owns/are the major shareholders of the federal reserve, the bank of london, berlin, the IMF, the world bank

Dude… you are being stupider than usual.

The Federal Reserve, the IMF, the World Bank, have no shareholders.

You think they are some sort of private entities, owned by people (we should be so lucky). They are semi-independent arms of national and international policy.

This way, if you and the gang come up with the same names/corporations it won’t be racist.

Wrong again. What makes you a racist isn’t that you see what race someone belongs too, it’s that you assign specific traits to them for no other reason than they are of that race

You do the same thing with religion (sort of… it seems what you really do is say, “this group of christians I agree with are ok… everyone else is an immoral fool). Some religions (judiasm, islam) you say are evil, just because, and anyone who is in any jewish/muslim, is also evil, just ’cause.

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

NWO: More logic fail.

If Jewish men of European descent are considered white men of European descent as you contend, why are you accusing me of being antisemitic? On the one hand you want to accuse me of antisemitism by exculding European men of Jewish ancestry if I point out their financial manipulation which harms everyone. Yet on the other hand you say why aren’t they considered white Europeans, but if I dare mention the name Rothchild you exclude them from being white Europeans by using the term semitic.

You are pretending that being Jewish = not european.

Since you are saying this make them somehow less worthy, that’s anti-semitic.

How can I win in this situation, Dave? Is Rothchild a white European, or is Rothchild a Semite, a whole different part of the world. You tell me, Dave. Also, if being a white European doesn’t exempt one from being an evil fuck or blame. Semitic also doesn’t exempt one from being an evil fuck or blame. No one get’s a free pass because of their ancestry. Do they?

No one is exempt. But you aren’t doing that. You are lumping. Say someone is Jewish, and you say they are all sorts of evil… for no other reason than being jewish.

The thing is, being jewish has nothing to do with it. If the Rothchilds (whoever they are) are doing evil things, it’s not because they are jewish, it’s because they are bad people.

So long as you pretend that being black, or jewish, or hindu, or female, makes someone a specific sort of person, you will be wrong.

Because that is wrong.

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

NWO: You do know there are African Jews? They are from Ethiopia, and they’ve been Jewish for about 2,500 years. They are black.

There are Indian Jews,and Chinese Jews. They’ve been Jewish for a little more than 2,000 years.

And there have been Jews in Europe for a couple of thousand years (the big diaspora has been about 1,900 years).

1,900 years. That makes them European.

Snowy
Snowy
8 years ago

@Snowy
“I thought Biden is Catholic.”

You are correct, I was wrong about him being Jewish.

Oh my goodness gracious did Mr Slave just admit to be being wrong about something? Has this ever happened before? I can’t believe my eyes!

katz
8 years ago

David, go on vacation already!

nwoslave
8 years ago

@pecunium
“The thing is, being jewish has nothing to do with it. If the Rothchilds (whoever they are) are doing evil things, it’s not because they are jewish, it’s because they are bad people.”

Exactly! So why am I antisemitic for saying the Rothchild banking house is evil? How about Lehman bros? JP Morgan? Haliburton? Aren’t they evil as well? Do they get a pass due to ownership? If you aren’t antisemitic for calling them evil, neither am I.

Also, perhaps you should do a little more research on who owns the federal reserve. Apparently you don’t fully understand our banking system. African, Indian and Chineese Jews? For a non-prolythesizing faith that’s a lot of prolythesizing. Your lack of banking knowlege is superceded but your poor knowlege of scripture. The diaspora took place around 600 or 700BC. Try not getting your info from the movies.

Polliwog
Polliwog
8 years ago

Yep. This isn’t the first time slaveman has claimed Biden is Jewish. I have no clue where he’s getting that from.

Last time, Biden was actually “Middle Eastern,” which was even more weird.

(My guess as to where he’s getting this is that he thinks Joe Biden and Joe Lieberman are the same person. Either that or the strange radio station that plays in his brain just spit out “Joe Biden is a secret Jew!” in between “our water supply is full of dismembered fetuses!” and “the CIA is watching you RIGHT NOW!”)

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

Keeping all the patently false things he believes straight in his head has gotta be a real challenge. No wonder he’s so stressed.

Fembot
Fembot
8 years ago

NWO wrote:

“So in reality, the word bitch is pretty much genderless in the offensive category. So don’t get yourself all worked up if someone calls you a bitch. After all, it isn’t gendered.”

AND

“Just as if anyone read a statement that said, “that person was acting really bitchy,” everyone would naturally assume it’s a woman.”

So is bitch gendered or not? Typical MRA, taking whichever side makes you look good/right and women bad/wrong, even when your opinions contradict one another.

nwoslave
8 years ago

@David Futrelle
“NWO, “antisemite” is a term (invented by a Jew-hater, BTW) that means “Jew hater.” If you prefer, I can just call you a “Jew hater.”

You can spread any lie you like, It’s your site, your rules. This all started because all blamed was place by a regular manboobz commentor who claimed all the evil is from white men.

This comment here by, Jessay (@jessay), “Feminism did not create the current state of the economy. Rich, white, male corporation owners and politicians did.”

So the white male she spoke of was meant for distinctly Europeans. So what is the difference of blaming Europeans or blaming what we call today, people of middle eastern descent? A semitic person is of middle eastern/northeast african descent.

Why do you allow hatred of Europeans for no other reason than being European on this site? The term white man as been used in a deragatory fashion countless times on this site. Clearly it’s directed specifically at those of European descent.

Perhaps a demonstration? Jessay’s comment rewritten with the blame placed on semitic folks. “Feminism did not create the current state of the economy. Rich, semitic, male corporation owners and politicians did.”

Would it now be considered racist? How about… Rich, black, male corporation owners? Rich, asian, male corporation owners? Rich, indian, male corporation owners?

Why do you condone just one form of racism, Dave? Either condemn all racism or condone all racism.

nwoslave
8 years ago

@pecunium
NWO: More logic fail.

If Jewish men of European descent are considered white men of European descent as you contend, why are you accusing me of being antisemitic? On the one hand you want to accuse me of antisemitism by exculding European men of Jewish ancestry if I point out their financial manipulation which harms everyone. Yet on the other hand you say why aren’t they considered white Europeans, but if I dare mention the name Rothchild you exclude them from being white Europeans by using the term semitic.

“You are pretending that being Jewish = not european.

Since you are saying this make them somehow less worthy, that’s anti-semitic.”

Tell me how you made the leap of logic from my above statement into, “less worthy?”
—————
If I re-raced or re-regioned or re-religioned or re-gendered everything said on this site about men of distinctly European lineage my guess is you’d all be hunted down and have your heads put on a spit. How many times has the generalization of evil white men been tossed about on this site?

Evil black men.
Evil black women.
Evil Jewish men.
Evil Jewish women.
Evil brown men.
Evil brown women.
Evil asian men.
Evil asian women.
Evil muslim men.
Evil muslim women.

There we go, I’ve lumped everyone together quite nicely. Which one do you find the most offensive, pecunium? Isn’t your soon to be wife Jewish? That one would probably sting the most. Wouldn’t it?

Now Jessay said, “Rich, white, male corporation owners and politicians did.” You had no problem with her saying this. Did she give herself an out? Or did she lump all white men together? She could make the lame claim that she meant only the bad politicians and corporate owners.

Well let’s see how that works for me. I’m gonna use Hanna Rosin and her end of men speech for my schtick. Just another evil, loud mouthed, know it all, Jewish woman journalist stirring up shit and causing all the problems in the world. See. My out is the word journalist, just like Jessay gave herself an out.

Since your self described claim to fame is you righteousness, morality and sense of fairness. I’ll expect you to call out the racism everytime some little gem decides it’s her privilege to lump white men together in a bad light. Even with the little out they think they’re so clever in providing. Just like everyone here knows it sticks in a white mans craw when you cleverly give yourselves an out. I too will play that same game.

Is that alright by you, Dave? After all, I’ll give myself an out. Let the games begin!

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

NWO: 1: The Jewish religion used to proselytise. 2: Jews traveled, and settled, and became, by way of slow acculturation and intermarriage, localised, even nativised, save for their religion.

Because they are just like everyone else.

As to the question of diaspora… you know there were two? One, in days after the destruction of the 1st temple. The other after the destruction of The Second. That happened ca 72AD. You might have read about it if you were paying attention to the latter books of the New Testament; before one gets to Revelations.

It’s amazing what reading for content will do for one.

Exactly! So why am I antisemitic for saying the Rothchild banking house is evil?

Because you link it to being Jewish. Because you use language which echoes the rantings of other anti-semites. You think it’s carefully coded but it’s not. Anyone who has encountered the sorts of idiots who rant about the “secret bankers” and the other shibboleths of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion can spot your attempts at subtlety.

Because they are ancient, and obvious.

You can spread any lie you like, It’s your site, your rules. This all started because all blamed was place by a regular manboobz commentor who claimed all the evil is from white men.

Nope, you disproved that in your next sentence.

This comment here by, Jessay (@jessay), “Feminism did not create the current state of the economy. Rich, white, male corporation owners and politicians did.”

Not all evil. A specific problem. Dimon, Summers, Geitner, Greenspan. All white, all male. The only mistake she made is the same one you made. They weren’t european, they were (and remain) american.

This comment here by, Jessay (@jessay), “Feminism did not create the current state of the economy. Rich, white, male corporation owners and politicians did.”

Yep, that would be racist. 1: Racism, as a problematic object† is a function of power. 2: The only racism that is problematic is that which is systematic. 3: White people are the people who have the power. 4: You would have it that white people; and a very specific subset of white people, are the only people fit to have it.

What makes you a racist, in the problematic sense, is number four.

† I am not someone who thinks that the only racism is that which supports the group in power, but I do make distinction between systematic/structural racism, and personal racisms. Personal racisms can be offensive, but they don’t affect the power balance between people. No, that’s not true. A minority member who espouses essentialist statements which are race related is often hurt thereby, because racists (such as yourself) then use it to marginalise them, and further support the structural racism the nation is full of.

Anyone who thinks we live in a “post race” society needs to read this, Politics and Race in America

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
8 years ago

Okay, there were a few comments in this thread that I wanted to respond to, but held off until I’d read everything through so as not to be redundant. So I’ve spent most of a cool, rainy Canada Day reading a LOT of stupid shit from a fellow Canadian (yeah, duckman, the reason that you can’t get a carry concealed permit is that the VAST MAJORITY of Canadians DO NOT WANT insecure, paranoid people with irrational anger issues going about armed. That we prevent people like you from going about armed is WHY it’s safe to walk down most Canadian streets unaccosted).

All in all, I’m not entirely certain that this was the best way to have spent Canada Day 🙁

On the plus side, dinner tonight is going to be fan-fucking-tastic. I have prepped cheesy jalapeño poppers, prawns wrapped with basil and prosciutto, and beef and mushroom kebabs to go on the grill. There will be mixed berries with whipped cream for dessert. Can’t wait.

Yes, that’s right. Oxford commas RULE! And there is NO apostrophe in commas!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“Which gods are they? The goddess in all women? Yes I found a dictionary, I’ve known about them since your life began at conception. You seem to particularly enjoy opening all your comments with a condescending attitude, possibly a by-product of a lifetime of female supremacist indoctrination.”

1) None of your business; 2) No, I’ve always a been snob about people spouting idiocy, spent many math classes sitting in the hallway over that (and still pulled As); I’m just not particularly fond of fools.

“I noticed you seem to have added… “A man consider effeminate. (Flip to “unmanly” if you doubt the relationship between the words “weak”, “contemptible” and “effeminate”),” to the official, “A man considered to be weak or contemptible.”

Was this an extrapolation on your part? I’ve looked around a bit and didn’t seem to find that particular explaination.”

You didn’t use a real dictionary. The dictionary we’d both been using until you decided you needed the urban dictionary lists:

un·man·ly, adj.
1.a. Dishonorable; degrading.
b. Lacking courage; cowardly.
2. Regarded as unbecoming to a man.

B is also the meaning of “weak”, which was used in the only male definition of “bitch”. “Effeminate” —

ef·fem·i·nate, adj.
1. Having qualities or characteristics more often associated with women than men. See Synonyms at female.
2. Characterized by weakness and excessive refinement.

“In the urban dictionary.” — see above

“Aaaaaand, yes. I can be just as disingenuous as you. If we’re going to play what’s the gendered/non-gendered meaning of an insult? I’ll play the game as well.”

I’m not being disingenuous, should I define that word for you again?

““There was this —— at the bar that was acting sooooo creepy.” I’ll bet if you toss that one out there and asked the english speaking world to fill in the blank you’d get an almost 100% response of, “guy, dude or man.” Does the manboobz crew plan a crusade to correct the english speaking world’s gendered use of the word, “creep?””

I ran your “creep is only about men” by my best friend earlier, he got a good laugh out of that. And a better laugh out of the idea that bitch isn’t used nearly exclusively against women, and your denial that when it is used against a man, that’s because he isn’t being manly enough // too womanly // still insulting women. But we can ignore him I guess, he’s Jewish so he must run the world right? (Then why am I not in charge of shiny things yet!)

“As far as your following comment of… “Dracula — I’d missed that comment too, which he’s doubly lying in, he hadn’t regendered to say bitch, but to say cunt.

My comment was in response to your comment. You used the word bitch. If you’d have used the word cunt, whore, skank, ect, that’s the word I would’ve used in response to your comment. My reply to your comment would’ve made no sense if I used the word, “skank” while you used the word, “bitch.””

So now creep is the male version of whatever word you pick? You can goalpost shift all you like, Cassandra said something (which you really hate) about creep, you “regendered it” to bitch, and next think we know you’re saying bitch is the equivilant of creep. (FYI, the male equivilant of bitch would be more like bastard, which I don’t say either)

“Still kafka trapping?”

You think me far more manipulative than I am, it really doesn’t look good on you, considering the games you play. Either I’ve fallen down a rabbithole where a dictionary and thesaurus is some sort of manipulative game, or you win ALL THE PROJECTION, again.

Oh and I had a Rothschild with a hate-on for me for a while, she seemed like any other spurred lover to me.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Re: Ethiopian Jews — history time! Simple version — people migrate, particularly when thei culture or religion is under attack, eg anyone not Catholic during the Inquisition — they’ve been in Ethiopia at least that long.

Longer less well supported version — (see Pecunium’s comment) they fled slavery in Egypt back in BCE.

Either way, Judaism got to Ethiopia because Jewish people did. Rather resembles how America is Christian, Catholic, etc.

“The diaspora took place around 600 or 700BC. Try not getting your info from the movies.”

Wait, The diaspora? There was only one? Wtf about that one in oh, 1940s Europe?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Wow, Slavey is still really upset about that whole women asserting their boundaries and calling men who are being creepy “creepy” thing, isn’t he? I’m still confused about his insistence that Biden is in some way of Middle Eastern extraction. He looks kind of Irish to me.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
8 years ago

Oh my god, you guys! Basil & prosciutto wrapped prawns are SO FUCKING GOOD!

1. Take a large prawn (tail on okay, but take the rest of the shell off).
2. Stick a fresh basil leaf against it.
3. Wrap a piece of prosciutto around them (it will stick to itself and keep the package together).
4. Repeat until you run out of a crucial ingredient.
5. Grill on hot bbq for about 3 mins, then carefully flip and cook until prawn is done.
6. Eat.
7. Repeat until comatose.

Seriously, I’ve found a new religion. Crustaceanism?

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
8 years ago

That would be “Oh my god” as in my personal god. Whom I invented myself, and currently bears a strong resemblance to a sea insect. You know, just for clarity.